Grats Hibernia!

[Azathrim]

And that lead us right back to square one.

A Hib TL says there is a bug and asks for help on gathering data to prevent Mythic doing their typical overnerfs.

You seems to be of the oppinion that there is no bug.

I chose to belive the Hib TL. One might hope that he succeeds, and thus avoids the typical gutting of a class.

 

[Adianna]

And that lead us right back to square one.

A Hib TL says there is a bug and asks for help on gathering data to prevent Mythic doing their typical overnerfs.

You seems to be of the oppinion that there is no bug.

I chose to belive the Hib TL. One might hope that he succeeds, and thus avoids the typical gutting of a class.

The difference is between there is, there is not and there might be. I do not say that there might not be something but to say there is bug is quite obviously wrong. Because when you're sure there is it, then you can fix it and don't need data to find it.

I chose not to believe any rumors about mysterious bugs that cannot be found. Might be because an assumption is considered wrong until you can prove it.

The key in finding a bug is to be able reproduce it. Otherwise it could have been almost anything. Therefore you need a controlled environment where you can observe the bug. Everything else is just as I said, rumors and assumptions that need yet to be proven. It will only lead to suspicions against other players and will be used as an excuse although it is neither proven false or true.

Of course I hope that if there is a bug they fix it. Just speaking of a known bug (btw. never heard anything about known to whom) when there's still not enough data to know the bug is a bad expression.

And its even worse to speak of encountering a bug when you cannot say which circumstances and actions produce the bug. If you want to test it, feel free to ask, there is nothing I'd like more to get all these assumptions out of the way.

 

[Azathrim]

The difference is between there is, there is not and there might be. I do not say that there might not be something but to say there is bug is quite obviously wrong. Because when you're sure there is it, then you can fix it and don't need data to find it.

Whatever.

You chose not to belive a TL. I do. We've been circling this the last page, so let's end it here. Just settle it on that you don't belive a TL and don't label this a bug, while I do belive a TL and do label this a bug.

Over and out.

 

[Majsan]

What's wrong with you people

 

[Puppet]

of course everything regarding those classes that includes huge death spams is related to small lags or some bugs people are not aware off.

Give me a break dude...

I fail to see how those 2 things are even remotely linked to eachother. Put 3000 Albs on top of eachother; let an Enchanter do 5 PBAE's on top of em and thats 3K people dead. Bug? No.

Or wait; perhaps put 5K Hibs on top of eachother and an Ice-wizard runs on top of em and does 5 PBAE's. 5K people dead. Bug? No.

Ofcourse it happens SOMETIMES that there are bugs in the game regarding LoS; but seriously: You think mystically this happens more often with Hib-chars then with Alb-chars?

You are correct that Bainshee-nukes have an unique code when it comes to LoS and such. If it was so terribly bugged then we all would have a bainshee or 2 in a towerfight and win every time. Just nuke through the walls and kill everyone inside the tower from the outside! Hell we would kill the Captain/Lord through the walls and take the tower without taking down doors! Oh wait only mincer+infs did that (Deadly Shadows xD)

Anyhow my point is: Whenever Manisch (you) loose its almost always bug-abuse, overpowered stuff and whatever. And while 'I got a RR4L8 sorcerer' might be impressive in the Alb-zerg; its not all that much RvR-experience. You got lots to learn and you will see lots of occassions where you are simply outSKILLED.

Same for Evita; lets face it: Your group aint brilliant in 1FGvs1FG-situations. Instead of always blaming adds, cheats, radar, h4x0rs and whatever just accept the fact sometimes you get outskilled.

Oh no I got killed in an RvR-zone! They must be cheating and bug-abusing! ZzzzzZZzz

 

[Conjurus]

What's wrong with you people

You are olololololololo :EEEEEEEE nas nas

 

[Graendel]

Same for Evita; lets face it: Your group aint brilliant in 1FGvs1FG-situations. Instead of always blaming adds, cheats, radar, h4x0rs and whatever just accept the fact sometimes you get outskilled.

Hey Puppet if I made a thread here everytime me or my group were killed I'd maybe pass you in post-count! Seriously, of course we get outskilled. Scroll back to where I wrote it earlier.

However, I'm not humble enough to believe in psychic bards. But I guess that if I ever reach rr10 I'll get to that level of experience.

 

[sneakies]

tbh (as a bard, as a menta, as someone who thinks *outside* of what is happening at any one moment in time) its not brain surgery to geuss the way something is going to play out.

I used to be able to read a players movements in quake 2 (ye good ol days) and know exactly where they were, and what they were doing. Based on the experience i had in the game (which was far to much to claim i was a casual player )

DAOC is not that different. Any one who plays alot knows frequent routes, rest areas, camp spots, etc. And from what they know about how people get around, they can geuss where people will go. And sometimes (quite frequently) these hunch's pay off.

We have a RW that will show movement cups if a guard is hit, stealthers that report where a group is seen heading. Just because you got caught with your pants down a few times, i wouldn't jump the gun.

Sometimes the enemy out thinks, outplays, or merely has the luck to come of best. Then other times they merely out number, outrank, or out add

I'm sure what happened with the grp was a bit strange, you could even say impossible. But hey, look at the mid zerg last night. If they can get that many RVR'ing, then nothings impossible! (came up from villa hill into what looked like a 20 albs, 40 mids, and 8 hib fight so we added, and i think i was laughing with shock throughout)

As for the bainshee bug, im not fond of the class, and i honestly have no idea what the bug entails... but if your gonna whine about that, im with seanpaul on the heretic/necro bug, cause that wasn't fun to come up against

 

[Straef]

evita u a good player ,,dont lower yourself to cheat accusations...
graebdal from what ive seen of you i expect it from u.....if u are right and hibs did cheat to win ...then they have not really won have they ??anyone who cheats to win doesnt win end of the day....
yep know spealt your name wrong but easier to say this than edit lol..

jamie

How does evita 'lower himself' by accusing someone of cheating, if he's serious about it?

Grats to your abusing ani's, fkin hibs

Second that x<

oh so if a hib finds a alb group in another place than beno bridge its radar ty mate for the information.

and btw less bolting on grey pets zerger(yeah you have been the most active beno zerger this week mate).

Well, at least some other alb getting accused of zerging for once \o\

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

I fail to see how those 2 things are even remotely linked to eachother. Put 3000 Albs on top of eachother; let an Enchanter do 5 PBAE's on top of em and thats 3K people dead. Bug? No.

Or wait; perhaps put 5K Hibs on top of eachother and an Ice-wizard runs on top of em and does 5 PBAE's. 5K people dead. Bug? No.

Ofcourse it happens SOMETIMES that there are bugs in the game regarding LoS; but seriously: You think mystically this happens more often with Hib-chars then with Alb-chars?

You are correct that Bainshee-nukes have an unique code when it comes to LoS and such. If it was so terribly bugged then we all would have a bainshee or 2 in a towerfight and win every time. Just nuke through the walls and kill everyone inside the tower from the outside! Hell we would kill the Captain/Lord through the walls and take the tower without taking down doors! Oh wait only mincer+infs did that (Deadly Shadows xD)

Anyhow my point is: Whenever Manisch (you) loose its almost always bug-abuse, overpowered stuff and whatever. And while 'I got a RR4L8 sorcerer' might be impressive in the Alb-zerg; its not all that much RvR-experience. You got lots to learn and you will see lots of occassions where you are simply outSKILLED.

Same for Evita; lets face it: Your group aint brilliant in 1FGvs1FG-situations. Instead of always blaming adds, cheats, radar, h4x0rs and whatever just accept the fact sometimes you get outskilled.

Oh no I got killed in an RvR-zone! They must be cheating and bug-abusing! ZzzzzZZzz

I do lose to better players, higher rr players, superior numbers etc puppet ive never denied that. It happens every night im on,at least once a night.However...

My group does very well i think considering we only have a fixed base of 5 <Shrug>.The rest come and go.

A loss is something i have no problem with if i was beaten via better tactics, better players, better /assist - whatever.Hell i can even live with being zerged to death a few times a night.Not winnign every time is something you learn to accept very quickly if you play sport to a decent level IRL, which i have.

Only time it gets my back up every timeis cheating in some form be it a hack or a deliberate bug exploit.

 

[Nausilus^^]

Straef doesn't wear any panties under his kilt!! I saw once I was dead on beno bridge

 

[Aragyn]

Straef doesn't wear any panties under his kilt!! I saw once I was dead on beno bridge

Panties are for sissies! Commando is for the warriors fyi!!!

 

[Phooka]

Sigh another zerg/radar qq....

 

[DavidH]

Sigh another zerg/radar qq....

Edit, Oh, I almost forgot..

+1

 

[Jeriraa]

Sigh another zerg/radar qq....

Perhaps certain people should stop radaring then?

And perhaps certain guild groups should stop calling for help by 2 other opted fgs during a fair fg vs fg fight?

Tonight has just been silly... whenever you encountered a hib group (and they are hard enough to fight as they are) it took less than 30 seconds for a 2nd and 3rd to add.
Whats the point in running opted groups (of rather high realmrank aswell) when all you do is zerg? And no, Mids didnt zerg! 80% of the Mid population was on the ML8 raid. You could have at least given us the chance of a fair fight (if a medium RR guild group vs a high RR opted can be considered fair).

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Anyhow my point is: Whenever Manisch (you) loose its almost always bug-abuse, overpowered stuff and whatever. And while 'I got a RR4L8 sorcerer' might be impressive in the Alb-zerg; its not all that much RvR-experience. You got lots to learn and you will see lots of occassions where you are simply outSKILLED.

Same for Evita; lets face it: Your group aint brilliant in 1FGvs1FG-situations. Instead of always blaming adds, cheats, radar, h4x0rs and whatever just accept the fact sometimes you get outskilled.

Oh no I got killed in an RvR-zone! They must be cheating and bug-abusing! ZzzzzZZzz

Roflmao...

I am like the world's most average player, but thank you for coming along and telling me that, because without you I would have never realized that.

And yes, legend building forum whores like you who are able to rate the skill of a player/group without even playing against him or with him is what we need more. People like you prolly create threads like "Your top 10 PvP'ers" on MMORPG-forums or "Why I think 30 hornets never can beat 30000 honey bees".

That being said, where is the news easy-moder? Shrooms not bugged? Baseline stun + nukes to kill everything not overpowered in certain situations (1 vs 1, keep/tower)? Well, your opinion, I have a different.

Regarding the comments you made on Evita's group, before opening your mouth and shittalking the players in the group down you maybe should actually go to Alb/Prydwen and try to play with them a bit. I made some RPs beside of Evita and in my opinion she has good respect for players/groups that are better and is willing to take the fight anyway and so am I.

Keep the slander out. I prolly never met you in game and don't give a shit about your opinion about the skills of others who have valid comments on some things that are happening within the game. But hey, if you want to go personal because I think that some aspects of the game are unbalanced, please go. Might instead grow up a bit.

 

[Gamah]

I outskill puppet in my sleep!







....except when hes on his fotm mobile! then I run away :<

OH and PS, Manisch yo do what puppet does but 100 times worse, you are always on here calling others noobs and what not, someone (puppet) gives you a slice of humble pie and you rant 3 paragraphs of character assasination. You don't learn your realm mates reactions untill you play against them. So maybe YOU should goto hib/pry and play against Evitas group before making comments. (Not making any remarks about anyones skill, just making a point).

Puppet can be a complete twat, but he also has quite good knowledge of this game (Even if I don't agree with what he says half the time ), I suggest you have a listen.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

OH and PS, Manisch yo do what puppet does but 100 times worse, you are always on here calling others noobs and what not, someone (puppet) gives you a slice of humble pie and you rant 3 paragraphs of character assasination. You don't learn your realm mates reactions untill you play against them. So maybe YOU should goto hib/pry and play against Evitas group before making comments. (Not making any remarks about anyones skill, just making a point).

Puppet can be a complete twat, but he also has quite good knowledge of this game (Even if I don't agree with what he says half the time ), I suggest you have a listen.

Yeah really? Quote me please and show me always calling particular Prydwen players noobs on FH.

If you are trying to make a point, provide some proofs or just stfu. Thanks.

 

[Gamah]

Heh

Such a strong counter arguement, I can smell the wood burning, I (of course) Was using noob as a general term for the general crap you say to other people. I could reel off a huge list of quotes, however I actully have better things to do, like erm..well I don't but I just can't be bothered...

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Heh

Such a strong counter arguement, I can smell the wood burning, I (of course) Was using noob as a general term for the general crap you say to other people. I could reel off a huge list of quotes, however I actully have better things to do, like erm..well I don't but I just can't be bothered...

Ah, yeah.

You accuse me of calling other players noobs. Calling other people noobs is for me one of the most idiotic things one can do followed by going into discussions (by making some smart ass comments and not providing a humble pie as you said it) about the skills of some people like Puppet did, only cause the person is involved into a disccusion about players abusing bugs.

I ask you for a quote and you obviously can't provide one. Why not shut up from the start? If you don't have anything to say, don't even try to. That's general crap. I call a particular group of players easy moders, that is stun-nuke-nuke-shit in 1 vs 1 or keep/tower-stuff and shrooms in keep/tower-stuff. That's about it.

Puppet comes along and generalizes me as whiner and bad loser ("Whenever Manisch (you) loose its almost always bug-abuse, overpowered stuff and whatever") which is a rather fun cause I'd be busy posting on FH 24/7 when it would be true.

And you call my very specific concerns regarding 2 things in a game as general crap. Bahahaha...

And for your "I could reel off a huge list of quotes" there is only one thing to say:

If my aunt had a penis she would be my uncle.

EOD for me.

 

[CstasY]

07:54 and you're whining?

 

[Adianna]

Yeah really? Quote me please and show me always calling particular Prydwen players noobs on FH.

If you are trying to make a point, provide some proofs or just stfu. Thanks.

I want to post a picture of this noob Midgard suicide squad consisting of 4 Whorelocks (Preacherboypip, Cvtb, Hexeketel, Gruel). Anyone got web space?

Everytime I see thise guys with those chambers up I start laughing so hard that I can barely get my mezz off.

Thanks for the almost free RP on you, with the alpha strike damage you got you should have wiped us all the time we met.

Is one enough?

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Is one enough?

What part of "always" in "Yeah really? Quote me please and show me always calling particular Prydwen players noobs on FH." don't you understand?

And what part of "proofs" in "proofs" don't you understand?

So I called 4 people playing a Whorelock squad, coming over and over again to get killed a "noob Midgard suicide squad".

I shall burn in hell for doing so. Cause obviously Warlock is the hardest class to play and those guys own and I am an idiot for not recognizing it in the first place, instead I came to FH and call others noobs all over the place.

Doh!

 

[Puppet]

And yes, legend building forum whores like you who are able to rate the skill of a player/group without even playing against him or with him is what we need more.

Oh trust me; Ive seen you; both on my ranger, my vamp and my druid. See my signature for names.

That being said, where is the news easy-moder? Shrooms not bugged? Baseline stun + nukes to kill everything not overpowered in certain situations (1 vs 1, keep/tower)? Well, your opinion, I have a different.

Perhaps you should take your own advice and play the easy-mode chars. You would see that they are as OP as some of the chars you have in your realm. Baseline-stun is alot less OP then MOC-lifetap for example in a 1vs1. You can purge the stun; cant purge MOC-lifetap.

Shrooms are bugged; and yes those bugs make them quite imbalancing in keepfights. In the mean-time Albion has the *PERFECT* counter against them; but I think you didnt see it yet.

Regarding the comments you made on Evita's group, before opening your mouth and shittalking the players in the group down you maybe should actually go to Alb/Prydwen and try to play with them a bit. I made some RPs beside of Evita and in my opinion she has good respect for players/groups that are better and is willing to take the fight anyway and so am I.

Keep the slander out. I prolly never met you in game and don't give a shit about your opinion about the skills of others who have valid comments on some things that are happening within the game. But hey, if you want to go personal because I think that some aspects of the game are unbalanced, please go. Might instead grow up a bit.

My comment about the spreadheal was a sting towards Evita. Perhaps you dont understand it yet; I shall explain: BEING IN THE TOP-SPOT ON /RP HEALS MEANS FUCK ALL.

For example; we run over a DoT-mine. Our groupmember all take 400 damage. Warden does 2-3 fast baseline-groupheals; he gained 3200HP in the healstats. Now same thing happens; instead of the warden I use 1 spreadheal on the end. I heal for the exact same amount; I gain 0HP in the healstats. Typical top-stats for heals are near the 50K after a good amount of RvR; you can understand that 3-4 DOT-mines make alot of difference.

But there's more. Divine Intervention-heals dont count in /stat heals. Thats a potential 3K every 10 mins gone again. So in the end /stat heals is totally twisted because the 2 important things which seperate primary healers from secondary healers are not counted in it: Divine Intervention and Spreadheals.

Believe me; if I wanted to be anal about those stats I could rack em up no problem. Put the groupheals on the quickbar, heal every stealther out there you see etc etc. I think I would rack up on the stats quite abit.

Instead I choose to use the tools which make primary healers > secondary healers in terms of healing. You could argue druids/clerics/healers who are high in the /stat heals list dont use the tools available to them much. I choose to think /stat heals means NOTHING at all.

I also think playing AGAINST a group gives you a rather decent idea about its strongs and weaknesses. Ive played Albion/Excalibur for abit and personally I never found baseline stun more OP in 1vs1 then anything else: Casters duels are all about who lands the first spell. Lifetap+MOC is king in caster-duels if you wanna go on about those 1vs1. And dual-CC is great too. Theurgist/Sorcerer and Eldritch/Menta have dual-CC which makes em very strong.

 

[Corran]

I would trade my root for a stun any day though

Andrilyn gets on /stats heal because in fights uses single target heals, why do you need to spam spread heal when most the times it a single target being hit in RvR?

Also they use DI to the full ability, spread heal WHEN it is NEEDED and not all the time like certain people whom rely on standing in Fonts and using every form of regen withing 30 seconds of a fight starting.

Spreadheal isnt the be all, win all of a fight. It is a good tool when used at the right time, the right time isnt all the time though, is it!?

 

[Shike]

[trolling]

omg good thread!

Gonna add a few words too:

Wakka wakka wakka!..

and I always thought that EOD meant end of discussion, and yet some people just keep on doing wakka wakka wakka! Its funny

wakka wakka wakka!!!11

[/trolling]

 

[Graendel]

omg good thread!

Cheers, it's my first whinethread. 6 pages not too bad, although I'm sad to see Puppet had to drag poor Andri into the mud.

 

[VidX]

Cheers, it's my first whinethread. 6 pages not too bad, although I'm sad to see Puppet had to drag poor Andri into the mud.

You could always get your Wizzie down into the mud too... I could sell tickets! Can't beat a good female mud-wrestling session!

 

[Gamah]

Ah, yeah.

You accuse me of calling other players noobs. Calling other people noobs is for me one of the most idiotic things one can do followed by going into discussions (by making some smart ass comments and not providing a humble pie as you said it) about the skills of some people like Puppet did, only cause the person is involved into a disccusion about players abusing bugs.

I ask you for a quote and you obviously can't provide one. Why not shut up from the start? If you don't have anything to say, don't even try to. That's general crap. I call a particular group of players easy moders, that is stun-nuke-nuke-shit in 1 vs 1 or keep/tower-stuff and shrooms in keep/tower-stuff. That's about it.

Puppet comes along and generalizes me as whiner and bad loser ("Whenever Manisch (you) loose its almost always bug-abuse, overpowered stuff and whatever") which is a rather fun cause I'd be busy posting on FH 24/7 when it would be true.

And you call my very specific concerns regarding 2 things in a game as general crap. Bahahaha...

And for your "I could reel off a huge list of quotes" there is only one thing to say:

If my aunt had a penis she would be my uncle.

EOD for me.

Do...you...speaka.....the...English!

If you re-read my post I said I used the term "noob" as a summery of your whine.

Also moc3 lifetap is not easymode? oh ok :<

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

1) Friea youre so skillful i feel humbled when you laugh spam me having beaten my 1fg with your 2fg(+"solo" adds)" of rr6+ ...
2) Lets hear no more "Evita zergs" bollocks or i'll put some screenies of the last few nights of hibzerg up shall i?