Grats Hibernia!

[CstasY]

Are people still trying to be funny by posting that link?

 

[semanon]

actully I think that whorelock zedaz or something is the most active beno bridge hoe...

oooooo<holds up a handbag and points at Gamah>

 

[semanon]

The CAE on the stairs? I could see everyone I've hit myself. The small bank on the upper side does not count for any LoS checks. You can bomb through it, you can cast a DD by it.

You simply can't cast a dd from upside down because distance and LoS checks are performed from feet to head. Therefore when you stand behind it you can get a LoS through the bank but you can't get a LoS down through the floor of the upper level but you can get a LoS from downstairs to the one who's head is still visible. You do not have to have LoS both ways. It's simple geometry and sometimes it is possible to never get a LoS on someone else although he or she has a LoS to you.

So before crying bainshee LoS Bug and so on, be sure that you were not visible and that you didn't lag into the CAE. It does not penetrate walls, it does not even penetrate bridges although a PBAE does.

On more than one occasion I have seen people killed, i was the victim on one occasion, standing right next to the tower captain behind a wall. I was not visible to the outside yet i died from a bainshee. LOS bug is alive and well and living in a basement flat in Nottingham.

 

[Jupiter]

http://www.camelotherald.com/more/2021.shtml
etc etc etc

 

[Penlid]

Hm radar + banshee, happens to make me think of penlid :O

To clarify something here. I wasn't playing last night, so not me

 

[Dumle]

Its pretty common knowledge that there are people from all three realms using radar, until GOA/Mythic finds a way of tracking it and getting rid of them these threads are kinda pointless. NOONE is ever gonna admit to using it, just rightnow it if you are convinced, dont make threads about it cause it serves no purpose.

 

[Azathrim]

He does acknowlege nothing. He says that if a bainshee encounters something like that, she should report it to him with screenshot if possible. So far I haven't heard from any bainshee screenshot. Btw. even I have played my bainshee more than he has.

Frontal arc dd hitting through walls. If some bainshee could take screen shots if you appear to be hitting through walls and if are what condtions of the tower and location of where you are standing.

Reason for this is this is a known bug and instead of taking an animist type nerf for our class need actually good data to help fix this so that we can keep our bainshee from the nerf bat.

Stop the denial Adianna.

 

[Adianna]

Adi, all I know was that I was on BM getting dmged by you - and I assume you were still in the lord room. That sort of freaked me out. Anyway, it was a frustrating hour to say the least. But I'll just write it down to unintentional gamebugs and horrendous lag.

Hmm... when we successfully rushed the lord room I casted CAE Bolt then DDs from the stairs towards the lord nuking everything in the room as well as two ppl behind the windows, than shifted positions and hit one near the oil spot and finally climbed up to nuke everyone on the roof. Don't know when exactly in that you got hit...
Considering that there were a lot of albs still outside the lord room and up on the roof when I got there, I guess you lagged into the cone area when you got hit if I didn't have a LoS on you anyways (which wouldn't be so odd considering the lags we had while raiding ). Most claims of LoS issues I've seen so far have just been lag issues.

Stop the denial Adianna.

Who said this bullshit about a known bug? Never have seen any official ever saying anything about a known bug. The ANIMIST TL is hardly an official for a bainshee issue. Play a bainshee yourself and show me the LoS bug. I can only say to you that I haven't encountered any LoS bugs with CAEs, neither has any bainshee in said thread. And yeah, we are all so short sighted that we would rather have our class nerfed than terrain issues fixed. That must be the reason...

 

[[HB]Jpeg]

Stop the denial Adianna.

Just because it is a known issue to people who go into all the issues of the game doesnt mean it is a issue EVERYBODY knows.. i for one aint got a clue what a bainshee can do (apart from ae nuke) and i have never heard of any LOS issue.. altho i did read somewhere (cant remember) that some folks get nuked when in sight and move out of los before nuke lands etc (same with arrows).

dont get me wrong if it is a bug and people are abusing it knowingly on purpose i aint defending them cos i truely do think all cheats of any kind should be banned,

but as said above just cos a known issue to some doesnt mean EVERYBODY knows it.

p.s mods please also ban that gimp above whome posted the Radar link(i didnt click link to see if joke or not but if real link ban him imo)

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

Mr denial, you mean zerg....

Amusing, not talking about when we were at aileene with the radar you muppet...

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

Between 21-35 Albs got owned on the Ailinne tower. Albs on various RR no guildgroups etc.

They got owned when Golden Age, Face-Down and Tuatha-De-Danann charged up.

I guess it must be bug-abuse.


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Its ok the logs/sshots have gone to rightnow last night along with various other things from the radarers we found that later on the same evening.Got an encouraging reply about a few things already - restored a bit of my faith in the customer complaints system.

And ROFL 35? I had 21 in the battlegroup and two of those were bots for buffs.

Incidentally f/o saying i zerg, i gather up 2fg for a few runs in HW once the hib/midzerg gets unbearable - i.e. 2fg+mids/hib on stick.And yes albs zerg too.We all do it - difference is some of us dont gather up a zerg the minute we die we try other things first.

Thats not a dig at you btw puppet,although the qq is kinda immature.

I'd rather have an 8-8 than a 16-16/24-24 any day.

 

[thaaadi]

Its ok the logs/sshots have gone to rightnow last night along with various other things from the radarers we found that later on the same evening.Got an encouraging reply about a few things already - restored a bit of my faith in the customer complaints system.

And ROFL 35? I had 21 in the battlegroup and two of those were bots for buffs.

Incidentally f/o saying i zerg, i gather up 2fg for a few runs in HW once the hib/midzerg gets unbearable - i.e. 2fg+mids/hib on stick.And yes albs zerg too.We all do it - difference is some of us dont gather up a zerg the minute we die we try other things first.

Thats not a dig at you btw puppet,although the qq is kinda immature.

I'd rather have an 8-8 than a 16-16/24-24 any day.

You zerg, and when your zerg got lost(leaving bridge) you lost a 7vs8 fight like the gimp you are.

 

[Azathrim]

Who said this bullshit about a known bug? Never have seen any official ever saying anything about a known bug. The ANIMIST TL is hardly an official for a bainshee issue. Play a bainshee yourself and show me the LoS bug. I can only say to you that I haven't encountered any LoS bugs with CAEs, neither has any bainshee in said thread. And yeah, we are all so short sighted that we would rather have our class nerfed than terrain issues fixed. That must be the reason...

Yeah, I made a typo. If you would have read the link, you would have noticed the person saying this was the Druid TL. As far as I know, his title is out of date, and he is infact the Bainshee TL. Nonetheless, Hib TL's are acknowledging this as a bug and looking for data to nail it's excact nature down, people are complaining about the abuse of it (ref, this thread) and Mythic have stated they have their focus on balance/bug issues of the new Catacombs classes.

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

You zerg, and when your zerg got lost(leaving bridge) you lost a 7vs8 fight like the gimp you are.

I think youll find my group is actually known for clearing the bridge rapidly via virtue of reaverbomb/bbq and moving on.Only time we camp it is when we have replacements inc or lds.Your supposed "FG" consists of an extra 1-4 people running on stick as well as the base 8.But ofc WE zerg

Oh and just noticed your amazing logic there - let me see.I zerg but as you just said, apparently we lost a 7vs8.So if we zerg how were we just 8?Interesting logic, so either way you managed to get one of the basic facts wrong, could you be lying about the zerg and the fights too? Methinks so <dismiss>.

 

[Adianna]

Yeah, I made a typo. If you would have read the link, you would have noticed the person saying this was the Druid TL. As far as I know, his title is out of date, and he is infact the Bainshee TL. Nonetheless, Hib TL's are acknowledging this as a bug and looking for data to nail it's excact nature down, people are complaining about the abuse of it (ref, this thread) and Mythic have stated they have their focus on balance/bug issues of the new Catacombs classes.

You've read that he has no time to play and that he has no real clue about it? Taking something from a person who isn't really playing as facts is somehow a little strange. Who else has "confirmed" these statements?

People complaining is just about the same. I see people complaining about their own stupidity and blaming others for it every time I look at a board.

As far as I know, you know nothing about a the bainshee itself... so well believe me or not, there is no what so ever LoS bug. Well I don't really care if you do or not, just backing up assumptions with half knowledge is the worst thing you can do when you want to seriously discuss about something.

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

You've read that he has no time to play and that he has no real clue about it? Taking something from a person who isn't really playing as facts is somehow a little strange. Who else has "confirmed" these statements?

People complaining is just about the same. I see people complaining about their own stupidity and blaming others for it every time I look at a board.

As far as I know, you know nothing about a the bainshee itself... so well believe me or not, there is no what so ever LoS bug. Well I don't really care if you do or not, just backing up assumptions with half knowledge is the worst thing you can do when you want to seriously discuss about something.

If theres no bugs how have i watched a friend nuke a bunch of mids inside crim tower from the outside with the wall still 80% ish, do tell?
This wasnt about the bugs themselves, this is about the use of them to win a fight, anyways cba arguing about this all day, want LGM on my tailor today!

 

[Puppet]

Its ok the logs/sshots have gone to rightnow last night along with various other things from the radarers we found that later on the same evening.Got an encouraging reply about a few things already - restored a bit of my faith in the customer complaints system.

What exactly did you send him "Hi, eBayed Evita here; I know account trade is illegal but still! I found something way more disturbing, namely....' ?

Anyhow seriously now: If you got good evidence someone uses radar; by all means RightNow it. But sprouting random accusations on the boards is something else. What if the person wasnt using radar?

Also whether or not Bainshee AE-nukes have dodgy LOS-checkes I dont know. Even if they do; it aint bug-abusing till GOA says so. For all you know the bainshee wasnt aware he was hitting you while you where supposedly out of LOS. Especially in cramped Lord-room fights (3 FG Hibs + some ungrouped versus 21-35; i say up to 35 because AD-deathspam reported on some occassions around 32-35 enemies near) is bound to lag abit inside a small tower where a bainshee hits 10 people he might have hit 1-2 which he didnt have LOS with; but its impossible to verify for him.

I think its often the same people who complain about animist-shrooms which nuke while you where doding behind a wall.

I'd rather have an 8-8 than a 16-16/24-24 any day.

Hows that matching with you running 2FG then? Obviously if you run 2FG you will never have 8vs8. If you run 1FG you might run into a 1FG enemy group at times; giving you your precious 8vs8.

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

What exactly did you send him "Hi, eBayed Evita here; I know account trade is illegal but still! I found something way more disturbing, namely....' ?

Anyhow seriously now: If you got good evidence someone uses radar; by all means RightNow it. But sprouting random accusations on the boards is something else. What if the person wasnt using radar?

Also whether or not Bainshee AE-nukes have dodgy LOS-checkes I dont know. Even if they do; it aint bug-abusing till GOA says so. For all you know the bainshee wasnt aware he was hitting you while you where supposedly out of LOS. Especially in cramped Lord-room fights (3 FG Hibs + some ungrouped versus 21-35; i say up to 35 because AD-deathspam reported on some occassions around 32-35 enemies near) is bound to lag abit inside a small tower where a bainshee hits 10 people he might have hit 1-2 which he didnt have LOS with; but its impossible to verify for him.

I think its often the same people who complain about animist-shrooms which nuke while you where doding behind a wall.



Hows that matching with you running 2FG then? Obviously if you run 2FG you will never have 8vs8. If you run 1FG you might run into a 1FG enemy group at times; giving you your precious 8vs8.

Read the damn thread puppet - i'd RATHER have it doesnt mean ill run time after time getting steamrolled by 2/3/4fg...We get steamrolled by large numbers enough times we run 2fg then until opposition numbers drop to match.Simple.

Btw i have three accounts that im the origional on ta puppet.The ebay comments are a little old, might want to give it a rest one day

Look forward to killing you later.

 

[Adianna]

If theres no bugs how have i watched a friend nuke a bunch of mids inside crim tower from the outside with the wall still 80% ish, do tell?

I've watched a friends friend saying this and that and he killed a dragon irl and so on... bring forth evidence, show it to GOA/Mythic and let them fix the bug. So far everyone CLAIMS to see bugs but no one PROVES a thing. Anything else and I don't believe a thing you say.

 

[Gamah]

Between 21-35 Albs got owned on the Ailinne tower. Albs on various RR no guildgroups etc.

They got owned when Golden Age, Face-Down and Tuatha-De-Danann charged up.

I guess it must be bug-abuse.


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For an E&E your really are immature.

 

[Adianna]

For an E&E your really are immature.

No one said you have to be grown up for that job.

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

I've watched a friends friend saying this and that and he killed a dragon irl and so on... bring forth evidence, show it to GOA/Mythic and let them fix the bug. So far everyone CLAIMS to see bugs but no one PROVES a thing. Anything else and I don't believe a thing you say.

He's already sent fraps,screenshots,times and locs to the Devs thanks so dont presume to judge what i have or havent done.Its not my comp i dont have it on mine, and im damned if ill spend thirty minutes downloading and re-uploading them with that attitude.

 

[UndyingAngel]

The ebay comments are a little old, might want to give it a rest one day

Look forward to killing you later.

dont count on it.. took me over 1 year b4 ppl stoped saying it to me when playing my pally but then again you know who the jerks are in the game.. with ppl keep saying it over and over again

 

[Dumle]

Give up trying to convince that person, Im sure he is one of the hibs that thinks that shrooms arent bugged either, making them impossible to hit.

And that has even been proven.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

What exactly did you send him "Hi, eBayed Evita here; I know account trade is illegal but still! I found something way more disturbing, namely....' ?

Anyhow seriously now: If you got good evidence someone uses radar; by all means RightNow it. But sprouting random accusations on the boards is something else. What if the person wasnt using radar?

Also whether or not Bainshee AE-nukes have dodgy LOS-checkes I dont know. Even if they do; it aint bug-abusing till GOA says so. For all you know the bainshee wasnt aware he was hitting you while you where supposedly out of LOS. Especially in cramped Lord-room fights (3 FG Hibs + some ungrouped versus 21-35; i say up to 35 because AD-deathspam reported on some occassions around 32-35 enemies near) is bound to lag abit inside a small tower where a bainshee hits 10 people he might have hit 1-2 which he didnt have LOS with; but its impossible to verify for him.

I think its often the same people who complain about animist-shrooms which nuke while you where doding behind a wall.



Hows that matching with you running 2FG then? Obviously if you run 2FG you will never have 8vs8. If you run 1FG you might run into a 1FG enemy group at times; giving you your precious 8vs8.

Jeez...

First off, account trading might violate the CoC and the agreement you made with GoA/Mythic, but is surely not illegal. It's not a criminal act per se to buy and sell goods/services. And people with bought accounts are not known for ruining the game play expierience of others, cheaters and bug abusers are.

And your "everything is allowed until GoA disallows it"-doctrine is laughable.

LoS bugs are there, in a lot of classes, starts with pets, ends with shrooms. You trying to defend people abusing them or being ignorant about the bugs makes you look very bad.

Now you got 2 PBAoE classes, 1 shroomer class and 2 ST classes, 1 TWF class, 1 CAoE class and of course everything regarding those classes that includes huge death spams is related to small lags or some bugs people are not aware off.

Give me a break dude...

 

[VidX]

Now you got 2 PBAoE classes, 1 shroomer class and 2 ST classes, 1 TWF class, 1 CAoE class and of course everything regarding those classes that includes huge death spams is related to small lags or some bugs people are not aware off.

Give me a break dude...

I beg to differ actually. Played well and watching for the right moment and you can get deathspam from 'those classes' that has nothing to do with lag or bug abuse.

Or are you just annoyed cause you got killed by one of the classes?

 

[Azathrim]

You've read that he has no time to play and that he has no real clue about it? Taking something from a person who isn't really playing as facts is somehow a little strange. Who else has "confirmed" these statements?

First of all, I trust a Mythic appointed TL far more than a person that have a very real use of this not being fixed by Mythic.

Second of all, why are you so aggitated?

If there is a bug, we can agree it needs to be fixed, right?

Because, I wouldn't belive of you, to be trying to deliberately keep something that 100% certainly is a bug in the game. But, perhaps Im just a misguided trusting fool, that belives all players have an interest to get bugs in the game fixed <shrug>.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

I beg to differ actually. Played well and watching for the right moment and you can get deathspam from 'those classes' that has nothing to do with lag or bug abuse.

Or are you just annoyed cause you got killed by one of the classes?

I bow to everyone who plays fair and has a nice gank group setup. Power to those players who pull it off. Saw once Hibs TWF'ing, ST'ing, using Ichor of the Deep and then TWF again on one bridge, everything godly timed and so on and it was good fun and what annoys me are AFK albs in front of keeps or no one placing speed warps and so on .

But, the bugs are there, everyone knows it and we also know that MMORPG companies are not the fastest ones to fix their code.

LoS is very bugged in DAoC, in PvE and RVR, I sometimes stand infront of a player/mob and have 100% visual and still get "you can't see your target from here. Same goes for to-hit checks, it's just bugged.

My original statement was not ment as a broad accusation...

 

[Nausilus^^]

it aint bug-abusing till GOA says so.

If people do something that is suspicious, like nukes negating LoS, players are adviced to tell GoA about it, not just "forget" it coz it's nice and handy and GoA didn't tell you that you can't do it. When GoA are told about the small bugs and irregularities in the game, they have a chance to fix it, which at the end of the day will be benificial for all of us. I bet if some WL killed you through a wall you'd report it within a heartbeat, or if a sorc nuked you while you were stealthed on your ranger. As Manisch Depressiv says, LoS is a highly unstable thing, and pretty much everyone know that it isn't working 100% correctly, so I wouldn't really say your theory holds in court.

 

[Adianna]

First of all, I trust a Mythic appointed TL far more than a person that have a very real use of this not being fixed by Mythic.

Second of all, why are you so aggitated?

If there is a bug, we can agree it needs to be fixed, right?

Because, I wouldn't belive of you, to be trying to deliberately keep something that 100% certainly is a bug in the game. But, perhaps Im just a misguided trusting fool, that belives all players have an interest to get bugs in the game fixed <shrug>.

If you want to know what the problem is: Everyone shouts bug and in 95% of these cases it's their own stupidity or lag or it isn't a bug at all. That is the problem.

A thread on any RvR board that starts with accusation of players to abuse bugs (especially in this case, accusing me of it) will hardly lead anyone to be sincere about it.

If you clearly want to find these LoS bugs (they're not related to the bainshee CAE, they are related to every LoS check. The CAE preforms a standard LoS check before the hit calculations, so you could hit with a dd through the wall as well then. The CAE just covers a vast area) we would have to take a group of an enemy realm, pack them into a tower and then try to use the lowest (don't want to accidentally kill someone ) CAE Bolt and DD at different suspicious places of the tower several times to get solid evidence.

With everyone running around, usual lag and all that on a normal raid you can hardly say when it is a bug and when not. You know that you can get hit almost everywhere when you've been in sight of someone for a few seconds after, just because there is lag. Therefore you'd have to try this out in a controlled situation, where you can minimize disturbing influences or you will have the above situation, that everyone shouts bug when there is none.