Grats Albs + Mids but mainly, grats Hibs

[Bibi]

Mids should have looked at the bigger picture before deciding to hit Hib at the same time as the Albs, now there's a very good chance that Albs could end up with all the relics.

Thats how this game is planned to be by makers - all belongs to Arthur

 

[Belomar]

Good job, Albs, and well defended, Hibs. I realize that you in the end were unable to defend both Dun Ailinne and Dun Scathaig, but, let's face it, what the hell were you thinking leaving Ailinne to the Albs while you went and defended Scathaig? It's hardly us Mids who will pose a huge threat if we manage to retrieve a relic. I guess the Hib defense leaders had a brain fart.

Oh, and sneakies, what are you on about a "a new found disrespect for midgard"? If anything, it is time that Hibs tasted their own medicine, us Mids had our share of double-teaming when we lost our relics. Rather, it seems to me that Albion has come through once again as the true home of the zerg.

 

[Jobil]

And if theres one thing i think Hibs have earnt from this, it should be the respect of both of our opposing realms for our continued percieverence in attempting to delay the inevitable. It hasn't been easy, but we've kept coming and coming against all odds...

persistance in a new way xD

mucho respect and thanks for the heaps of fun. never mind the shrooms, we all have something that drives the other realm crazy, can either whine or laugh when you suddenly find yourself right smack in the middle of Hibernian Floral Hell. i choose the latter, im sure my 1k+ damage on critshot isnt hilarious where the arrow lands anyways.

and Midgard, was kinda cool you added in on the whole deal, made it that extra nudge of crazy which was great, now come get our relics Midgard, ive had it with trees and want a cooler climate


good fun and lotsa stress this weekend, "Lets do that again!!" (quote Donkey, Shrek)

 

[Yma]

No way mids could even think about taking a relic without either hib or alb support. Our numbers are barely equal to hibs but without shrooms (and we had to spam /as all day, begging people to move to frontier: I think those were all our 50s online bar those that were seriously pissed off by the chain LDs), so basically we don't have a chance. We don't have any "bigger picture" thing, as for us it can't get any worst

The double realm thing is just ridiculous - you started it by adding on albs during the first weeks, the best realm and the overpopulated realm against the siege gimped realm, what a great show of wisdom ! till you got our relic and supported albs taking power. Blame yourself for teaching us the way to leech and for feeding the big dog first - we just adapted, enjoy.

 

[Jeriraa]

Either ways, it's been a complete fucking nightmare running around left right and centre in an attempt to fend of you both.

Hmm, I wonder if Mids felt different when we got dualraided for 3 weeks non-stop after the release of NF.

 

[Jeriraa]

Good job, Albs, and well defended, Hibs. I realize that you in the end were unable to defend both Dun Ailinne and Dun Scathaig, but, let's face it, what the hell were you thinking leaving Ailinne to the Albs while you went and defended Scathaig? It's hardly us Mids who will pose a huge threat if we manage to retrieve a relic. I guess the Hib defense leaders had a brain fart.

In the end this game is about RP's and you dont get them when Albs wipe the floor with you. So just fuck the relic and get some rp's at least.

PS: They can always get their relic back at 5am with 2 animists. If we had gotten ours it would be behind a milegate and they would have to get up at 4am.

 

[willowywicca]

lol respect for Mids? yeah right, stupid eejits.

Now they will face the Alb population with +20% power and, due to Mids insisting on trying to take their str relic back instead of their power, Albs will have +20% str before the end of the week as well.

well played brainiacs!

Whereupon all the action will be in alb with mid and hib doubleteaming us to get their relics back.. which will likely result in retrieval by both realms again since I don't think albs have enough numbers to survive sustained doubleteaming either.. meaning we'll have a probably constant state of relic movement, which is a good thing surely?

Stagnant relic status was always a problem in OF, if it keeps moving about it can only be a good thing..

 

[Ketinna]

the thing which is frightening is that the albs think this was a victory?
yes sure you got the relic but once again by number, not skill.

really makes you sick when you see a alb go : Good work albs
would rather be : nice numbers and good usage of those 900+ bolts

uke:

 

[Werewolf]

does it feel good now beeing tyhe realm under pressure like mids been constantly since NF started ?

 

[Luinmir]

does it feel good now beeing tyhe realm under pressure like mids been constantly since NF started ?

Unlike you we tried to defend with all we got .... I never saw much of your defence...

 

[Naffets]

The fact remains that you did not deffend alb str relic in the end.
And that move wasent very smart i think (not only bcoz i am a mid and i want my relic back).
That move made that the war will still be in hib as mid still want the relic back and i do think alb want that relic aswell.

I dont know you mebbe was so outnumbered vs the albs that you had no chanse there but i do think that the hibs that was at scat could last very long vs the alb, when we rushed in in scat it didnt take long b4 twf + shrooms + enchanter pbae killed most of the mids.

All in all very good deffending hibs you might be biter atm bcoz you lost one but you faced 2 enemy and i think you did wrong to deffend the mid one.

We had 120+ enemies in our frontier that night, roughly 60 attacking each keep, and frankly we stood a better chance against the mids than we did against the mids. If your trying to say that we did wrong defending scat then surely in the same sense you did wrong in attacking us, it would have made much more sense for mids to attack alb because this way albs may well have lost 10% of their magical bonus and we may have stood a chance of stopping them getting a str relic. So you would have ended up better off in the end. However ofc my view is biased, but most hibs were under the same oppinion that mids should have hit alb, but of course you guys had your own personal vengeance to get.

Anyway whats done is done

 

[Mad]

does it feel good now beeing tyhe realm under pressure like mids been constantly since NF started ?

We have been under pressure for a lot longer than just NF, why do you think we have the underpopulated bonuses

 

[Dilanta]

I think you hibs did a marvelous job defending on two fronts. Well done and keep that spirit going.

For me as a midder, this weekend was important to show myself and my allies we could take a foreign keep and do a serious attempt on getting our relic back.

When NF came, we had almost the numbers to defend on two fronts and protect our relics (at least we did for almost three weeks but with numbers dropping at that time you all know the inevitable outcome), but as it is now, we need to find our strengths to overcome our weaknesses.

We'll never get a pet-spam class - so be it.
We don't have reaver-bombs - so be it.
We need to find out what we really got and how to use it at it's best - so must it be!

I only wish theese keep fights in NF wouldn't last for ever... and ever... and ever, it really wears you out at my age. =)

Middie kisses to all
Dilanta

 

[Yma]

but of course you guys had your own personal vengeance to get.

No vengeance at all, we just added - the RR machine started as soon as we saw albs working on Da Behnn. Were you attacking albs for their relics in excess we would have followed. Having nothing to defend, we just had to wait for the first of the dominant realms to make their move against the second, and react in the most obvious way. Be proud, that's something we learned from you.

If you want to blame something, blame your lack of initiative this time.

 

[Yma]

We'll never get a pet-spam class - so be it.
We don't have reaver-bombs - so be it.
We need to find out what we really got and how to use it at it's best - so must it be!

Wisest words have rarely been spoken in the last weeks !

 

[xxManiacxx]

If mids would have attacked albs instead we would probably have the relics at the same place as they were before. Hibs would probably managed to hold back and albs would quite easily wipe the mid zerg.

And for the hibs. Well defended and you are very stubborn ppl

And think about it this way. Do you actually think mids will allow albs to take mid str relic? No way! If albs go on the str relic mids will come fast as hell.

Was a nice sunday over all. Started with 3 BaF ppl going to Crim and ended up with a RR.

Main objective is still to get Mids out to RvR. And yesterday we succeded to get almost everyone capable out. Highest count at Scat was around 70ppl and BG topped at 89ppl afaik.

To bad the lag destroyed alot of fun for alot of ppl.

Dunno what happened after my last LD around midnight CET. When I went LD we had inner yard at Scat and Galen were about to get RAMs up. After that I had to get some sleep to be able to work.

 

[Tuorin]

No vengeance at all, we just added - the RR machine started as soon as we saw albs working on Da Behnn. Were you attacking albs for their relics in excess we would have followed. Having nothing to defend, we just had to wait for the first of the dominant realms to make their move against the second, and react in the most obvious way. Be proud, that's something we learned from you.

If you want to blame something, blame your lack of initiative this time.

Wow, clever guy. Oh and tell me how do you know we are attacking albs in excess prior to the warmap, you lot only know to arrive and camp. That's all you've known since the game began, AMG m8s!!!

 

[Yma]

you lot only know to arrive and camp. That's all you've known since the game began, AMG m8s!!!

Being clueless about us it's your own problem, I can't help you with that. Too bad your opinion is not so spread, or we would have life much easier in enemy frontiers - understimating your enemies by generalizing is the bigger advantage you can give them.

 

[Jobil]

hibs got pwned, mids got pwned, albs will be pwned, its just a game and its inevitable that hib/mid will double-team alb at some point, ill look forward to it. to say the "alb zerg" can withstand 2 realms hitting it at once isn't realistic
stop with the QQ'ing, you fought well, be happy about that, very impressive defence.
good to see mids out of the cave as well

 

[Tuorin]

74 aillinne, 80 scathaig 59 Hibs at that point, do the maths. Thing is Albs could have taken the other relic and thats where mids have it wrong, at any point they could have come and killed mids and hibs. We were most surprised they didn't, probably knackered. Thats why we chose to defend Scathaig, we could not beat the Albs at aillinne, we decided with so few defenders that the option was hang at scathaig where mids were only sieging. We got the bg in at Scath, no chance at aillinne everyone would have died, it was sealed up like a kipper. You make those choices based on what you have 5 or 6 rezzers/healing types, rest ranjas/shades, assorted casters.

We saw which alb picked up the relic and found them, just a bit of bad luck with lag and who knows we might have recovered it. Least its easier to defend now, can't cross team the one in scathaig as easy.

 

[xxManiacxx]

FYI we had albs at Scat trying to kill us plenty of times. Not a big zerg though but it was annoying enough so that stuff took longer time then expected.

And we had albs running around the river at scat also preventing more mids to come and aid. We had 5-10 trebs and plenty of rams unable to get to Scat because of albs.

 

[Tuorin]

FYI we had albs at Scat trying to kill us plenty of times. Not a big zerg though but it was annoying enough so that stuff took longer time then expected.

And we had albs running around the river at scat also preventing more mids to come and aid. We had 5-10 trebs and plenty of rams unable to get to Scat because of albs.

Yep we know, they hindered us everywhere as well as their main force. Numbers is a wonderful thing. We may have been able to have a strong go at Albs, but mids made that a problem, same when we fought mids, Albs there.

We were surprised the alb bg didnt attack scath more though.

 

[xxManiacxx]

Yep we know, they hindered us everywhere as well as their main force. Numbers is a wonderful thing. We may have been able to have a strong go at Albs, but mids made that a problem, same when we fought mids, Albs there.

We were surprised the alb bg didnt attack scath more though.

Actually I was just waiting for when 2fg reaver bombers would come to Scat and destroy everything

 

[Case]

For me last weekend has been brilliant, from the usual weekend RvR of mids camp bled bridge alb fg attack them now and again and nothing really happens to keeps changing hands 200+ fighting all over in groups and zergs in hibland.

I led the 2 raids on Dun Da Behn initially as guild raids then turning into BG's of upto 60 people at some points been great fun all around I'm sure you hibs enjoyed it really

Regards relics fact is alb have 3 hib have 3 over the past 2 weeks all action has been in alb and mid now it's hib turn for a while, I'm sure you'll find if hibs coordinate an attack on an alb keep mids would respond in the same way they have in hib last weekend.

Main thing guys don't take it too seriously, everyone had fun RvR is alive again finally lets see some relics changing hands and add some excitement into RvR again \o/

 

[sneakies]

The thing here that people have very wrong is when they say hibs didn't try to defend Ailliene... We had a fair few try and get out there, but as mentioned, there were reports of stealth zergs camping routes, high RR gank grps left right an centre. So in the end people gave up, its not fun being out numbered, and ganked. But bleh, its done now

 

[Eroda]

Was very nice defending by hibs, a shame that it ended up with the realm being double teamed but just something that happens.

Was an impressive attempt at recovering the alb relic also, a few seconds longer in the channel and id have been in serious trouble. We thought we were dead, especially when we looked back and saw the group of hibs keeping up with the gimpy slow scout boat. Was lucky that DI kept up long enough for the boat to speed up as it reached the ocean.

Was a decent weekend but that lag was totally stupid at times, was trying to run a proper group again but ended up with half of the group lding every 10mins so got frustrating :z

 

[Esselinithia]

From what I seen from alb side: Hibs tried to cut from our reinforcements by tower retakes. We had to prevent them from porting when hit nearby tower, so we attacked another tower, and went to keep. We got wiped, but some small crew managed to hold some tower, repair it, etc. against far superior numbers. At this point the situation was simple enough: We was in a good position to take DA 1, but we wasn't an immediate threat and to kill albs set for defense with all their reinforcements hibs would need numbers. What they can do? Leave one keep with holes in the wall undefended? I doubt it. They can hope to stop mid threat and get a chance to stop us later. Remember how long the siege as DS was? Even when hibs wiped us (so DS had less defenders).

But there were two things to note: It was pointless to slow down albs and sacrifice the defense of the other relic at this point, mids had far better chances to attack, and it should be more urgent. Hibs (with usual organization and a bit better numbers) would have chances to defend both keeps. Again, they tried to slow us down already and win time, and win the war, but it wasn't enough.

The tower take went quick (we were here faster than any hib can get to it...) and at this point we haven't tried to go for wall sections which is slow, and hibs had chances to defend, but went for the gate. As you know, it is pretty hard to check the status of the outer gate from inside. And since we had some usual siege battles (and it keeptdefenders busy with shooting at my treb) we managed to open the outer gate, and get a ram to the inner gate of the wall.

If you check how much time it took to get the outer door down: you can try to think the other doors will have the same time required. But the extra ram meant better chances, and having a bigger ram for the lord tower changed the time needed again. If you don't know when defending gets urgent and have all reasons to plan for a slow siege you have problems. And by the time, hibs got a chance to detect a level 10 keep can go down so fast: It was pointless to defend.

Hibs defended well but I think the difference was made at DA tower 3. Holding it while main zerg was away (released, and worked on another tower to make porting possible again) with a small crew when hibs had higher numbers on it... That made the difference, and when the zerg arrived we was in a better position and the rest was simple. We had some ship ready, and some extra warships if we need additional escort was bought at beno.

 

[Levin]

Taking a step back here and having just read this whole thread, i have to say it's nice to play a game where RvR seems to work. Sure there are things in the game which can be improved, but that goes for all games.

For all the 'whines' and 'QQs' directed to enemy realms and the discussions about keeps and relics switching owners.. it makes at least me feel that people are quite involved and we wouldn't be if it was a boring game, right? In my opinion, DaoC has the best idea so far about player versus player. And that's what makes me stay with this game.

Sadly i missed this weekend's battles, but it seems everyone had a lot of action and involvement going on, so i'm definately looking forward to throwing myself back into the heat of battle once again!

 

[TiwiS]

the thing which is frightening is that the albs think this was a victory?
yes sure you got the relic but once again by number, not skill.

really makes you sick when you see a alb go : Good work albs
would rather be : nice numbers and good usage of those 900+ bolts

uke:

this game has never been about skill, it's about which classes are best and who has the most people. (in that order)

if you can defend a keep with less people then we can it's cause you have some better defense classes (friend caster specline with pbaoe and shrooms)
if we win a keep it's because we have reavers and numbers

in the end it's only midgard that's royaly screwed...(sorry guys you'll get on top when warlock is introduced)


but remember: if you win, it's not cause you have skill, its because mythic made your classes better for that situation
in general not one ream is more skilled then the other... retards are everywhere and imo evenly distributed over the realms

 

[Daedalus]

This is an interesting thread to read, as long as you cut through the layer of grieving bullshit. There's a small treasure on tactical tips/strategies here, plus a good analyses on what actually happened.

Anyway, I really enjoyed it last night, and I'm sorry if absolutely no-one of Hib did, despite losing the relic(s). As I said in an earlier re-pie, I hope that we can return that favor soon (but not too soon! We just got a new toy!), I really do.