Graffiti, what's your opinion?

[Chronictank]

Commissioned grafiti i am all for,
think the rest has been said already
Warning big images

Spoiler

 

[Lamp]

Agree with Chronictank on that one

Politics aside, some of the murals adorning various walls in Northern Ireland are quite stunning. Especially the ones about Celtic mythology and the Tuatha De Danann

 

[echome]

Givf more imo, love it...

 

[Alan]

Commissioned grafiti i am all for,
think the rest has been said already
Warning big images

But thats not Grafiti, it was commisioned which makes it street art (or just art) its a public surface that people were given permission by the owner to use.

 

[Haggus]

Yup, even tho there are some graffs that are very nice

Let me just clear one thing up.

THIS IS GRAFFITI !



THIS IS WHATS KNOWN AS A TAG.



I fucking hate it when people get these mixed up.

 

[liloe]

wow Lamp....have a rep for that, it looks awesome =)

 

[Lamp]

wow Lamp....have a rep for that, it looks awesome =)

Thank you, matey

Let me know if you want me to post the site. Its fascinating

 

[Elkie]

Yes they are vandals because they destroy public belongings and thus are criminals. Each year our state pays millions of euros to repair the damage they deal.

gues youl have to arrest me then

 

[Dukat]

Took the GF to Rome last weekend for St Paddy's day
and every available surface was covered in graffiti.

Did any of it say "People called Romanes they go the house" ? because that would really rock if it did

 

[Huntingtons]

wow Lamp....have a rep for that, it looks awesome =)

www.graffiti.org - one of the top places to find graffiti, has many, many hundred writers (noeTWO is at the top of this month as well) or google video and type graffiti you can find some vids of action (most is bombing and not burning)

Marc woz ere 2k6

i woz ere is fantastic.

anyway, im a big graffiti fan, may it be tags, throwups or burners - i see the art in it all.
on legal murals its still graffiti but they're not vandals but without the illigal graffiti there wouldn't be pieces like

(www.greatbates.com - danish graffiti writers, first class if you ask me)

 

[Aiteal]

Did any of it say "People called Romanes they go the house" ? because that would really rock if it did

hehe
no but we did see a
"the playing of techno is not a criminal"

 

[Ezteq]

tbh if she didnt win the turner prize Tracey Emin would just be a messy tart and Damian Hurst would probably be under arrest for animal mutilation, some see it as art i see it as crap (personally an unmade bed compleate with used rubbers and period pants and a badly butchered cow in acid ain't my cuppa char) but i can understand what theyre going for.

These graffiti artists are the same, not everyone likes it, not everyone gets it but it makes you think. Theres a tagger down here calls him/her self ToE and everytime i see one of the tags i think, where did the name come from? whats it mean? who is it? i can't say its particualrly interesting but it makes me think.

 

[Chronictank]

These graffiti artists are the same, not everyone likes it, not everyone gets it but it makes you think. Theres a tagger down here calls him/her self ToE and everytime i see one of the tags i think, where did the name come from? whats it mean? who is it? i can't say its particualrly interesting but it makes me think.

Thing is, more often than not they put this stuff where it simply isnt wanted,
thus costing the owner alot of money over time to fix it.
It is a crime, and it is vandalism, its pretty irrelevant how good it is to be quite honest.

 

[Lamp]

Did any of it say "People called Romanes they go the house" ? because that would really rock if it did

Centurion: What's this, then? "Romanes eunt domus"? People called Romanes, they go, the house?
Brian: It says, "Romans go home. "
Centurion: No it doesn't ! What's the latin for "Roman"? Come on, come on !
Brian: Er, "Romanus" !
Centurion: Vocative plural of "Romanus" is?
Brian: Er, er, "Romani" !
Centurion: [Writes "Romani" over Brian's graffiti] "Eunt"? What is "eunt"? Conjugate the verb, "to go" !
Brian: Er, "Ire". Er, "eo", "is", "it", "imus", "itis", "eunt".
Centurion: So, "eunt" is...?
Brian: Third person plural present indicative, "they go".
Centurion: But, "Romans, go home" is an order. So you must use...?
[He twists Brian's ear]
Brian: Aaagh ! The imperative !
Centurion: Which is...?
Brian: Aaaagh ! Er, er, "i" !
Centurion: How many Romans?
Brian: Aaaaagh ! Plural, plural, er, "ite" !
Centurion: [Writes "ite"] "Domus"? Nominative? "Go home" is motion towards, isn't it?
Brian: Dative !
[the Centurion holds a sword to his throat]
Brian: Aaagh ! Not the dative, not the dative ! Er, er, accusative, "Domum" !
Centurion: But "Domus" takes the locative, which is...?
Brian: Er, "Domum" !
Centurion: [Writes "Domum"] Understand? Now, write it out a hundred times.
Brian: Yes sir. Thank you, sir. Hail Caesar, sir.
Centurion: Hail Caesar ! And if it's not done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off.

 

[Alan]

Yup, even tho there are some graffs that are very nice

Let me just clear one thing up.

THIS IS GRAFFITI !


THIS IS WHATS KNOWN AS A TAG.

I fucking hate it when people get these mixed up.

It depends, any drawing/inscription on someone elses propperty without permission is graffiti it doesnt matter what it is.

 

[eksdee]

awesome.

i'll go ahead and agree with the general sentiment - 'proper' graffiti, i.e. art works that happen to be done with spray paint... outside = great. tagging is for retarded 12 year old chavs xD

 

[Lamp]

That looks like on of Banksy's

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well, i don't care what's on the walls of this city.

But one thing is fair to say, smut and tags are two different things.

Professional tags are a beaut, smut is the thing you see most the time.

Graffiti= Cool
Tags = Cool
Smut = Could live without

Doesn't bother me, kids will be kids.

 

[Morchaoron]

tssss well lets see how you like it when i tag your icefloat with anti-freeze paint

 

[Huntingtons]

Well, i don't care what's on the walls of this city.

But one thing is fair to say, smut and tags are two different things.

Professional tags are a beaut, smut is the thing you see most the time.

Graffiti= Cool
Tags = Cool
Smut = Could live without

Doesn't bother me, kids will be kids.

smut, thats where most started tho, so i couldn't live without :> thats how i got interested myself.

 

[old.Tohtori]

smut, thats where most started tho, so i couldn't live without :> thats how i got interested myself.

Aye, and there's the problem with modern society. They don't try to solve the "problem", they just try to sweep it under a rug or make it a lethal crime.

How about providing kids with a free park to tag?
How about taking these kids to more artistic schools to improve their skills/passion?

No...no way...just kick their arse and throw them to juvi.

 

[evzy]

That one above of the girl and balloon def one of Banksy's..

 

[ilaya]

ooo a subject i actually know something about many moons ago i was well into graffitti.. but not the tagging stuff.. the big picture stuff, so much so i got a job decorating a skateboard shop, got paid for it and even included all my work for my final A-Level exam and passed.. so..

graffitti can basically be broken down into 4 forms:

1: street art.. stuff like Banksy.. and Goldie (yes him off James Bond!) great stuff imo, and a LOT harder than u think
2: throw ups: BIG tags.. usually just 2 colours.. black outlne/silver inner the faves it seems - this stuff is shite and the peeps should be shot
3: tagging: we all seen this - peeps who do it should be shot.. then put in a blender
4: Graffitti suprisingly enough - romans go home, bob olley rates thief, PAEDO LIVES HERE, etc.. anything that is basically done out of anger to alert peeps of something or to pass a message - cant comment on this coz of the nature of it but u get my drift.

another thing while im here hehe. we went on a college trip to london years ago, and while everyone was pissing around at national gallery, i went down ladbroke grove, guess who had the better day

 

[haarewin]

I like Banksy's stuff. And anything that could be considered art and has had a lot of time put into it (and looks good). not some tosser putting 'twat was here 06' like some fuckers have done all over people's garages up the road.

 

[Ezteq]

Thing is, more often than not they put this stuff where it simply isnt wanted,
thus costing the owner alot of money over time to fix it.
It is a crime, and it is vandalism, its pretty irrelevant how good it is to be quite honest.

Yes this is exactly my point people either like it and think about it or people don't like it, i happen to like it but thats my opionion which was the whole point i was making about art its only through peoples opionions that it is actually art, no one is right or wrong on the subject because no one can clearly define what is good and what isn't.

I can't say i like the fact that it costs people money to get rid of it and then some kid comes alond and sprays a swear on the same place when the white wash is dry, but then i can't say i like the idea of someone slicing a cow in half and pickling it.

No one says you have to like/dislike it. Its personal preferance and thats something that is your own and no one can say your right or wrong for.

 

[Chronictank]

Yes this is exactly my point people either like it and think about it or people don't like it, i happen to like it but thats my opionion which

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No one says you have to like/dislike it. Its personal preferance and thats something that is your own and no one can say your right or wrong for.

hehe guess i put the point across wrong
i was just saying it doesnt matter whether someone likes it or not if you are drawing something on someone else's property without their permission you are in the wrong 100% of the time.
But as was said above, there is nowhere else for them to do it. if they started initiatives like in birmingham and cardiff where they have walls for people to legally draw on then people wouldnt be so inclined to doodle all over everything.

 

[ilaya]

whitewashing a wall isnt answer.. its basically saying to the taggers.. come on who is first!! /medal.. etc..

there are paints can be used to clear up the stuff that when dry can be sprayed with a resistant coating to prevent tagging.. washes off easy.. but its expensive. question is tho.. is it more expensive than clearing the crap off with normal methods+ having the area look like a bombsite.. hell no

there is another issue tho. when working at the skateboard shop, a lot of kids came in and wanted to try using spray cans themselves.. and the owner of the shop set aside a side room where they could practice (under supervision ofc and well ventilated blah blah before u all panic hehe)
now if more areas were set like that with skilled peeps pasing on their know how, kids wouldnt wanna risk their lives on railway lines tagging sides of bridges etc.. they'd have an outlet to show what they can do, but in a more artisitic and colourful way. its hard enough geting kids into something these days, but something like that could inspire them onto better things and i'll give u an example:

for my end project at college i had to do an essay about a particular thing, not just renaissance art or something straight forward like that.. but something a bit different. as i was into graffitti, i wondered why artists included words into their pictures. that got me into pop art, and also surrealism and cubism.. my conclusions where, words are ultimate form of symbolism.. mainly derived from the earier forms of art.

so just goes to show, if u give em something to do they wanna in an environment they allowed to, they'll learn other stuff as well.

well i did anyhoo

 

[evzy]

Tbh one answer is to use certain types of brick - in my much younger days of ~ahem~ doing some of this - there was one wall that was made from a porous kind of red brick - to this day I don't know what it was but nothing would show up well on that - tried all sorts of stuff on it as well and nothing sat in vibrant colour on it, so we gave up... now all they need to do is build everything outta that and jobs done tbh..

 

[Ezteq]

hehe guess i put the point across wrong
i was just saying it doesnt matter whether someone likes it or not if you are drawing something on someone else's property without their permission you are in the wrong 100% of the time.
But as was said above, there is nowhere else for them to do it. if they started initiatives like in birmingham and cardiff where they have walls for people to legally draw on then people wouldnt be so inclined to doodle all over everything.

Aaaah right or wrong as opposed to good or bad i see.

well as much as i like a lot of the work i see i'd have to say its good but wrong, but there should definately be somewhere for them to go and for people who want to look at the work can maybe make voluntary contributions if they like what they see to help pay for the up keeping of the place, just as we now have skate parks why not have art parks? hell i'd go.

sorry to misunderstand you there lol.

 

[ilaya]

and im guessing stuff with ridges Evzy? like corrugated iron.. paint would run and ruin it eh?

but yeah, build main thing outta normal concrete, and put a layer of porous bricks around edges.. also works