Good camp bonus at apk :o

[Tacticus]

No its not exaggerating, its not only RAs its also RvR experience ofcourse. But Alot of RAs does make it alot easier in RvR.

Group Purge, Mcl, Raging power, Baod, MoC, Mastery of the art, BoF, PR, and alot of others. All are highly important, and you'll often see equally good groups duke it out for minutes before a fight ends. Against low RRs we finish up in seconds.

 

[-redb-]

Re: pfft

Originally posted by Tacticus
im the lowest realm rank in the group and im rr6.

Silly Tact, your just trying to turn it into a ding!, rr6 thread :<

:spin:

 

[parisienscot]

I thick Tacticus is trying to say he's dah uber and he pwnz j00z, just in a very arrogant round about way - and avoiding l33t boy speak even though deep down I'm pretty sure that's what he is



Apart from him you other hibbies are nicer than I thought

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by parisienscot
OK sounds reasonable - forgot about the faster cast speeds and the reset the quickcast thingie (does anyone use that one?) but isn't saying that high RRs can kill low RRs like killing greens and blues not exaggerating a bit?

not really, lower RR people also tend to not yet have gotten their fully SCed suits and so have poorer resists. also they don't play as well nor know how to react properly.

also they won't have RAs like aom, toughness, determination, IP, purge etc.. to keep themselves alive longer..

 

[Sparza]

wow nice hehehe, maybe i make a group for cash farm and xp in hadrians htk. should be very very nice camp bonus there ^^

 

[parisienscot]

Originally posted by old.willowywicca
not really, lower RR people also tend to not yet have gotten their fully SCed suits and so have poorer resists. also they don't play as well nor know how to react properly.

also they won't have RAs like aom, toughness, determination, IP, purge etc.. to keep themselves alive longer..

I'll reply to you coz you said it more nicely than tacticus
So what we're saying is that there's a kind of a Camlann situation developing where older established players can gank all the lowbies - and we have to wait until you lot b*gger off before we can also be uber?

I hope they tone down more than just baod in the realm skill review then, because otherwise all that will happen is that the < RR5 people will just make huge zergs to squish all the RR10 1fgs running around and that is really boring.

Oh and sorry for going so off original topic

 

[Tacticus]

Re: Re: pfft

Originally posted by -redb-
Silly Tact, your just trying to turn it into a ding!, rr6 thread :<

:spin:

okay I confess thats what it was :-p

maybe subconciouslly i added that part cause i dinged rr6 :-p

 

[Falcon]

Get your chanters to spec full enchantments :-b

You're so trying to nerf Hib the manual way by spreading so poisonous statements!

I think Hibs biggest problem is that it's TOO RA dependant, whilst at the same time, the RAs we depend on make us appear damn powerful when we use them. If you take Hibs RAs away then take a look at the realm there's really little Hib has that's unique or good except perhaps chanters, but even then, we aint the only realm that can debuff.

If there's to be a nerf to Hibs RAs like BAoD, GP etc. I'd REALLY hope to see us get something else, like an accessible AE root at least or toys such as the minstrel ablative chant.

I think I'd rather have things like the Midgard situation - overpowered vs non-RA groups, underpowered vs. RA'd up groups than it is in Hib where you're overpowered for about 30secs every 30mins and underpowered for the rest of the time. I'd argue that Alb is pretty much in the same situation as Hib also. RA's are fun but the game should NEVER have been designed with the idea of being balanced once every 30mins.

RAs should be there to add spice not so much balance. Say you have a mage mezz someone, without RAs the mage could then nuke him to death or whatever, with RAs the person could perhaps purge and charge the mage, the mage has to be quick and root him or run instead, that's the kind of thing I'm talking about it doesn't effect balance really purging mezz once every 30mins but it does add some spice and remove boring linear combat from the game.

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by parisienscot
I'll reply to you coz you said it more nicely than tacticus
So what we're saying is that there's a kind of a Camlann situation developing where older established players can gank all the lowbies - and we have to wait until you lot b*gger off before we can also be uber?

I hope they tone down more than just baod in the realm skill review then, because otherwise all that will happen is that the < RR5 people will just make huge zergs to squish all the RR10 1fgs running around and that is really boring.

Oh and sorry for going so off original topic

well mids and albs groups can do it too..it's not a hib only thing. and not *all* low RRs are easy, just the ones that don't have previous rvr experience with a character. Takes a while to learn what to do in rvr, and even then the high RRs will have an advantage over you when their RAs are up etc..

oh and increasing your numbers doesn't help most of the time. the high RR groups can generally handle many times their size in inexperienced enemies. The only thing is to just stick at it, learn from your mistakes (and also try to spot what mistakes the high RR ppl are making too) and get better

an example of the kind of mistakes a new to rvr group might make: last night my group ran into a melee heavy fg of albs, we got them by surprise so managed to mezz the in a close together bunch (first thing to do: be alert and spread ou when enemy inc ). We started to pbaoe them, hereupon right after the first pbaoe the mincer fired SoS the first instant he could (sign of a sensible mincer, it was definitely the time to do it). Now however, 3-4 of the tanks started to melee (/stick spam amthyst) the pbaoers, and they all died. what they should have done was take advatage of the sos, either by kiting the pbaoeing casters (hit run away , run back hit again (you time it so when pbaoe is cast you're on th uter edge= low dmg, then you hit them and get far away soon as possible again.. )etc.. which the speed from sos makes even more effective than when hibs do this) and also whilst some of thm should attack the pbaoes.. some of them should have attacked the 2 druids chain healing the pbaoers.. instead, they didn't know any better so were just /stick on the pbaoers and died painfully..

I on the other hand firstly used annihilation on 2 of the tanks to stun them and protect my casters a bit (another reason the tanks shouldn't of ben /stick on the casters either, they should have run out of paboe when stunned).. then I charged the enemy sorc and when he was dead I went on their cleric (whom our pets had ben interupting while I was on the sorc). Not saying I'm perfect (maybe should have ben on the sorc sooner, or maybe not, who knows ) but I think I didn't do as much wrong as them, and that's th main reason we won.. our greater experience at both rvr and rvring together maade us know what to do, and what to expect of our teammates so we'd kno how to respond..

 

[Tacticus]

Heh, pariesienscot, you will find that i might come off with a bit of a harsh wording. But im a nice chap deep down If you hope to find a "1337 kiddo" im sad to disappoint you. I'm to old to get into that. I might at best do a Strong! once in a while.

And your entirely right about it, low RRs or those not in the RvR guilds will only be sheep for the slaughter till either the current RvR guilds leave, or new ones form. I dont like it one bit, but all games end like this when its PvP. Professionalism enter the game and we get a harder and more focused end game where the casual players....are screwed to put it bluntly.

I used to love casual RvR, i was a shade in groups. We won alot and we lost alot. Sotl brought pro groups to Prydwen and mids and hibs took a long while to get the point. Sadly theres no turning back now. Mids have their MM, BO, Warders(any of you left?), albs got PE, Sotl. Hibs got NP, Eclipse, Tuatha de Danan, and a soul pact based group.

If you want a nice chat with any eclipse member your welcome to go to #daoc.eclipse on quakenet and pm one of the ops there

 

[old.willowywicca]

Re: Re: Re: pfft

Originally posted by Tacticus
okay I confess thats what it was :-p

maybe subconciouslly i added that part cause i dinged rr6 :-p

I dinged rr9 fyi

mwahahahaha

/em steals all of tacticus's spotlight.

 

[Tacticus]

Re: Re: Re: Re: pfft

Originally posted by old.willowywicca
I dinged rr9 fyi

mwahahahaha

/em steals all of tacticus's spotlight.

bah, thats like so last sunday. :-p I like so dinged yesterday!

 

[Petronella]

Originally posted by old.willowywicca
not really, lower RR people also tend to not yet have gotten their fully SCed suits and so have poorer resists. also they don't play as well nor know how to react properly.

also they won't have RAs like aom, toughness, determination, IP, purge etc.. to keep themselves alive longer..

Amen to that, thanks to SC I've beaten high rrs in duels while im only rr2l9, wont mention names, because I dont want thanes nerfed

 

[parisienscot]

Originally posted by Falcon
You're so trying to nerf Hib the manual way by spreading so poisonous statements!

He he you got me

But I agree hibs should get some more toys to play with and the beefing up of certain classes. Of course chanters should get a mammoth nerf of Smite proportions, and a lot of hib RAs need to be removed (baod) or toned down. And this all looks like it will happen soon.

But of course if they do that without giving you anything in return you would be quite right to be annoyed.

 

[Tacticus]

Chanters, darkcarvers and supp SMs due to aoe stun is the only 3 nukers viable for a group as it stands. What i think the nerf will bring is a resist Fix so that all nukers will now be viable.

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by parisienscot
Yay it's Eclipse using overpowered abilities and thinking they're so cool and skilled! As per usual!

Roll on hibbie nerf!

:sleeping:

j00 r t3h j34|0u5 w3 r 13373r 7H4/\/ j00 1/\/\0

Oh wait... Sorry. Seeing a group with a few Eclipse members in it kill a non uber PK guard makes me feel so leet.

Heh.

 

[parisienscot]

Originally posted by Tacticus
low RRs or those not in the RvR guilds will only be sheep for the slaughter

OK Tacticus you do seem to make some intelligent points after all

Yes I think my main problem is (Oh I hope Roo doesn't read this) my guild is not so RVR focussed as it once was, and it's true that if you port and join a random group you wil rarely be playing with a good group - although sometimes you get lucky, but more often you'll have a mezz breaking thane or a healer that mezzes then casts amnesia (I did that last night oops

So I suppose I should go join another RVR guild - God knows I've had enough invites (Pac healer and debuffing runie seem in demand) - but I don't really like the RP wh*re attitude a lot of them have, and although I do enjoy a little roam around emain / hadrian's / odin's I want to do more than that - take keeps, make attempts on relics and have some nice PVE outings too.

Oh and no I won't be joining some Eclipse chat channel - I just tend to look on people as Lurikeens, Elves etc and don't let it get personal. (Excpet maybe Lorelei ;-b)

 

[parisienscot]

Originally posted by Tacticus
Chanters, darkcarvers and supp SMs due to aoe stun is the only 3 nukers viable for a group as it stands. What i think the nerf will bring is a resist Fix so that all nukers will now be viable.

Agreed.

Silly that darkcarvers and manachanters do harder ranged DDs than dark RMs and light chanters - that is definitely not what was intended.

Of course they won't give chanters cleric smite damage - that was just in my dreams

 

[Dook_Pug]

The type of damage that Chanters and Darkcarvers deal is what pure DD casters should be able to do without debuff.

Anything less than that is a poor trade off for their defense capabilities (or lack thereof).

 

[Falcon]

Heh, pariesienscot, you will find that i might come off with a bit of a harsh wording. But im a nice chap deep down

No you're not, you told me off for picking on Cina ;(

 

[parisienscot]

Actually I'm probably just a bit bitter - when I first started playing a year and a half ago I started out on hib pyrd with a bard and a mentalist.

Having got to level 28 I decided that xping was far too slow and I'd never have the patience to get to 29 and had a temper tantrum deleted all my chars and started again in mid pyrd By the way do you still have a guild called the Darkones running round? I used to be in them

 

[old.Downanael]

Re: pfft

Originally posted by Tacticus


Get a grip, with the exception of me whos new on the team, Eclipse is a long standing good group of people whos given the good groups from both alb and mid competition. That your a random n00b and cant be able to defeat a high RR group...im the lowest realm rank in the group and im rr6. Blaeh people like you make me sick, redb post a funny thing and you have to turn it into a whine.

Bit more Eclipse shoe licking please,it's fun to read.

Edit: Was mistake to but your RR on too.

 

[Dook_Pug]

"Eclipse shoe licking"?

He is Eclipse. Is he not allowed to defend his guild from petty misinformed comments?

 

[Dook_Pug]

The jealousy that's rife on these forums is astounding too...

No matter how unrelated a subject is, it turns into a flame purely because we're a successful guild.

Have a look through the forums, it happens to all successful guilds, SotL, PE, Nolby... all have their fair share. Berated by the masses for no real reason other than that they prefer to stay within the guild and use all of the abilities available to them to win.

Grow up.

 

[Tacticus]

why would i shoe lick my own guild?


Get a grip, I never licked anyones ass or shoes. I state my opinion and nothing else. All i did was be a bit modest about my own part of the guilds rvr team.

C.

 

[Xeanor]

Jealousy,

something you have until you reach the top.

 

[Jace]

Wierd how threads get hijacked.

Just wanted to say Eclipse are feared and respected foes amongst the people I group with in Albion, yes they're high RR peeps and very often seem unbeatable but last time I checked they don't hand out RR's for nothing

I've been flattened far too many times by them to count but Prydwen would be a much duller place without then so fair play to them I say.

 

[-redb-]

Joo all smell