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Lol Karam i can see u love to make friends in these forums.
Lol Karam i can see u love to make friends in these forums.
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old.Trapp|Uberleech
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I saw godofredo today yes, clicked him said saracen I thought, k minstrel, then saw name, godofredo, wtf. he ran lots faster than bard5 speed+sprint and a stealthed minstrel would not have been in range for that long time we chased him, and then bard amnesiaed him, still speed, then stealthed
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old.krane
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Maybe part of the new event campaign 
The new unstopable scout...maybe he ll learn to shoot while running soon and will gank your sorry *ss elesias..
The new unstopable scout...maybe he ll learn to shoot while running soon and will gank your sorry *ss elesias..
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Its fun, All of my first enemies in RvR are acusing me of using a cheat, the first:
- Im a lvl 50 Scout, with a lot of good items, i dont need a cheat, its easy, i have been playing this game a lot of time and i have not use cheats.
- I know lot of you want to kill me in RvR (emain, ygdra...) but its not an excuse to acuse me to using cheats
- You say i run a lot, i only can say i was grouped with a minstrel, the minstrel was far and without stealth, and i had 30 secs of mins speed, if you know that hability one time the minstrel is too far away you have 30 secs of speed, i shot with range and then i run with mins speed+sprint, its imposible a bard or skald can catch me
- Now i explain you how i shot: i take a good distance of my enemy, i put my Hunting Bow (that shots every 3 secs, with bufs every 2,4 secs) and prepare my critic, i shot the critic + one more shot and then i run with sprint, when that person realases i am there i am too far away runing with sprint and i put sealth, that person cant catch me then get angry and come to this forum saying i am a "cheater" nice. At the moment i never acuse anybody and never have geting angry and never post in this forum, but your threat is motive to reply. I have 54 stealth and i can stay in front of you whitot being seen. These days my conex is not good so i have a litle lag, maybe cause that this week u are acusing me using "cheat" because you see me runin while i am in stealth cause the lag.
- If i would come here and reply every time a person kill me ill have more than 500 messages here
- And anothe question if ill use a cheat, ill never die, and i die 75% times a skald or bard catch me
- You dont like spanish, i know but that is not reason to acuse us, first saxosergio now me.. who will be the next?
- That is all i can say thanks all
i know my english is not very good but i cant speak better, sorry
Ohh yes Karam, maybe you are a racist
- Im a lvl 50 Scout, with a lot of good items, i dont need a cheat, its easy, i have been playing this game a lot of time and i have not use cheats.
- I know lot of you want to kill me in RvR (emain, ygdra...) but its not an excuse to acuse me to using cheats
- You say i run a lot, i only can say i was grouped with a minstrel, the minstrel was far and without stealth, and i had 30 secs of mins speed, if you know that hability one time the minstrel is too far away you have 30 secs of speed, i shot with range and then i run with mins speed+sprint, its imposible a bard or skald can catch me
- Now i explain you how i shot: i take a good distance of my enemy, i put my Hunting Bow (that shots every 3 secs, with bufs every 2,4 secs) and prepare my critic, i shot the critic + one more shot and then i run with sprint, when that person realases i am there i am too far away runing with sprint and i put sealth, that person cant catch me then get angry and come to this forum saying i am a "cheater" nice. At the moment i never acuse anybody and never have geting angry and never post in this forum, but your threat is motive to reply. I have 54 stealth and i can stay in front of you whitot being seen. These days my conex is not good so i have a litle lag, maybe cause that this week u are acusing me using "cheat" because you see me runin while i am in stealth cause the lag.
- If i would come here and reply every time a person kill me ill have more than 500 messages here
- And anothe question if ill use a cheat, ill never die, and i die 75% times a skald or bard catch me
- You dont like spanish, i know but that is not reason to acuse us, first saxosergio now me.. who will be the next?
- That is all i can say thanks all
i know my english is not very good but i cant speak better, sorry
Ohh yes Karam, maybe you are a racist
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old.anubis
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the minstrel is too far away you have 30 secs of speed
afaik it's only 6 sec not 30
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i shot with range and then i run with mins speed+sprint
and you will be able to move at minstrel speed only after 10 seconds
afaik it's only 6 sec not 30
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i shot with range and then i run with mins speed+sprint
and you will be able to move at minstrel speed only after 10 seconds
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problem is, the moment you fire the bow, you enter combat mode and loose the speed instantly, there is no delay in such things and after exiting combat mode (5 seconds with no hostile actions I think) there will be another 5-10 seconds where it goes
"you have been in combat resently and this spell doesn´t work" (or something like that)
so UNLESS it is the bard you shoot EVERY incident which causes his whole group to loose speed then the scenario you describe is impossible
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Jiggs
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well better to give the benefit of the doubt
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Subbiz
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thats bullshit godofredo, both times u ran away from me was RIGHT after combat, combat = no speed for 6-8 secs.. u know that. anyways its been reported as I said, so lets see what goa have to say.
besides u had no minstrel near neither of the times, both times were out in open field far away from any trees and similar. and dont come tell me that minstrel chant works during stealth.
besides u had no minstrel near neither of the times, both times were out in open field far away from any trees and similar. and dont come tell me that minstrel chant works during stealth.
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Well he's lagging that's for sure... He kept popping on my screen.. Then another thing, which I experienced with many other games before, that when someone laggs (and you don't) it is very hard to hit or do precise styles on. But then again that doesn't proves why he could outrun.. We will see what GOA's says...
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Can we get a name of that minstrel?
It could prove alot, just ask the guy.
How hard can it be?
It could prove alot, just ask the guy.
How hard can it be?
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old.Niljindil
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Originally posted by Cowled
Can we get a name of that minstrel?
It could prove alot, just ask the guy.
How hard can it be?
Heres a quick answer for ya(since you wont get any better
)"dunno, cant remember"
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I reported him as well. If you're going to use speed hack in plain view of 10+ hib players I seriously hope you're just tired of the game not caring if you get banned or not, because otherwise you need to have your head examined thinking you won't get caught.
There was no minstrel within speed range. Our bard cast amnesia on the guy and he still outran speed 5 + sprint.
There was no minstrel within speed range. Our bard cast amnesia on the guy and he still outran speed 5 + sprint.
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It's OK.
It appears that he's just using the Granite Roller-Skates (af314, Stealth +29, HP +437) that dropped in DM, instead of his plain old studded boots.
It appears that he's just using the Granite Roller-Skates (af314, Stealth +29, HP +437) that dropped in DM, instead of his plain old studded boots.
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Speedhack??? Please don't tell me that exists here too. I heard some freaky shit like radars but speedhacks?? I really hope there is a normal explanation for this occurance because one of the reasons I stopped playing Counter-Strike was because of cheats. Thought these things were in the past with DAOC but I was mistaken apparently.
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Sabu
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lol Pfy , and to Cerveloc : it exists
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umm - just my 2 cents... but wouldn't the minstrel have to be running beside him, as I didn't think a minstrel could play speed song and stealth at the same time?
I might be wrong here but when I tried that with my minstrel on prydwen I get a message that I can't stealth with my current pulsing effect, or something along those lines.
I might be wrong here but when I tried that with my minstrel on prydwen I get a message that I can't stealth with my current pulsing effect, or something along those lines.
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so i dont like the spanish? whats wrong with that? the fact of the matter is, the majority of spanish people i've spoken to/grouped with in this game have been arogant rude gits. so im allowed to generalise them, because as i said, i cant think of one spanish person i've grouped with that i liked. dont bother calling me racist, because im not being racist. i just dont like the majority of spanish people i've met in this game, and therefore im going to say things like "he's spanish what do you expect".
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old.Takahome
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U´d mean that not any decent Spanish will group with ya hehe, here u can find much more Spanish than u thought, ealier lvl 50s like Raist, Karamon, and others, though most of the rude phrase comes from teenagers, and yes, some hib Spanish ppl make me sick, but it´s not a reason to genealise.
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Thank god people dont generalise English people based on the stuff Karam posts...
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omfg!!!
Where the fk were you when my account was terminated for using third party mods to make myself run faster.
Fking shit GOA, ignore two reports then terminate my account.
And you are the first person i have ever seen who has known a reason for speed other than proper speed hacks. Although i wasn't even overclocked, some jumper switches on my motherboard were fecked and had the processor running at all different speeds.
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Sabu
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Originally posted by Karam_gruul
so i dont like the spanish? whats wrong with that?
No problem Karam i don´t like you
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Bit of info for you:
Back in my early days of daoc, just after beta I think I hit upon the "bright" idea of trying the speedhack in daoc.
So as I was on my way to meet my guild leader (Erathius, now in Dragon Knights - he will testify this is true) at snow station. I arrive there on horse back and stand next to him. I then ask him to watch me as I go, I push the hotkey for speed and run up the hill (you know where I mean if you seen it) - on my screen I went flying up and made it like 2x the speed of minstrel speed5.
BUT! According to Erathius I was lagging right up until I got there, as in real jerky. Sadly I've just swapped my euro account or I would of been happy to prove it (lost interest in the game anyway)
So from the evidence of him running when he should be in combat and from the fact he was jerking I would conclude he is cheating :/
I also tried it with a few other things, only thing it can do really is run you places fast, and even then my pc crashed out if I went too fast. You can't own mobs uber quick cos they hit back just as fast. Not really that useful, unless in this case for escaping in RvR (I was like level 13 at the time and didn't consider that)
Hope this helps
Back in my early days of daoc, just after beta I think I hit upon the "bright" idea of trying the speedhack in daoc.
So as I was on my way to meet my guild leader (Erathius, now in Dragon Knights - he will testify this is true) at snow station. I arrive there on horse back and stand next to him. I then ask him to watch me as I go, I push the hotkey for speed and run up the hill (you know where I mean if you seen it) - on my screen I went flying up and made it like 2x the speed of minstrel speed5.
BUT! According to Erathius I was lagging right up until I got there, as in real jerky. Sadly I've just swapped my euro account or I would of been happy to prove it (lost interest in the game anyway)
So from the evidence of him running when he should be in combat and from the fact he was jerking I would conclude he is cheating :/
I also tried it with a few other things, only thing it can do really is run you places fast, and even then my pc crashed out if I went too fast. You can't own mobs uber quick cos they hit back just as fast. Not really that useful, unless in this case for escaping in RvR (I was like level 13 at the time and didn't consider that
)Hope this helps
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old.DachraK
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Noone will know what GOA sais.
I reported Saxosergio (after advice from hibs and albs and being for 99% sure he used the speedhack) and talked to Zargar about it who investigated that case. I asked Zargar if i was right cause if not I had to make an excuse. He was not allowed to tell which i understand, but it means we never know .....
I reported Saxosergio (after advice from hibs and albs and being for 99% sure he used the speedhack) and talked to Zargar about it who investigated that case. I asked Zargar if i was right cause if not I had to make an excuse. He was not allowed to tell which i understand, but it means we never know .....
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old.Zarko
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Funny how cheaters stick together and allways try to defend eachother well knowing its lame excuse.
Ban cheaters, no pardon, even if they are from my own realm... Cheats is what ruin multiplayer games..
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Just wanted to say:
Number 15000 reply is MINE!
Number 15000 reply is MINE!
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old.Iriba
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The fact is speedhack is there and if you spot it you should report it to GOA immediately so they can do the appropriate action.
I am sure GOA will investigate this and ban people if necessary, but as I have many times heard ppl blame others from cheating without reason I allways want to give them a benefit of doubt.
This could be a case of minstrel and scout teaming up and using kiting to pick off opponents one by one.
1. Minstrel stays behind unstealthed to provide speed.
2. Scout advances stealthed, does crit shot and one follow up shot which will propably be a lethal shot if the target has low hp.
3. Considering the fact arrow takes some time to travel and hits target a couple seconds later it has been shot the shooter can be allready running away at sprint + speed 5 when the target dies.
(Damn did I just give alb stealthers some tactic advice. Ah well I bet they allready do this)
Then there's the lag and loss which affect the game. In daoc there's a thing called lag run. Usually you see it the way your puller runs into bunch of mobs and pulls all of them to your group killing all.
For example if you use speed song 5 and sprint to retreat as the game updates player positions and movements around you in certain radius, moving fast will increase the data transferred to and from your client causing more loss and lag with crappy connections. Any connection can be crappy. At this point the lag run starts and others will see you running forward indefinetily with that uber fast speed. Casting lullaby or any other insta at him won't have any effect at all coz it's just a lag ghost. If you make a turn and stealth in your client the other players won't see that until your client updates your charachter in the game at which point your charachter will seem to disappear at the end of lag run and teleport somewhere else and become stealthed if it's a stealth class.
Anyone who has played with me knows what is a lag run coz I do them constantly, because my ISP restricts outward transfer speeds. If the transferred data amount is too big the packets my computer sends out gets lost.
On another note I'd like to discuss other bugs and if using them in your advantage is actually abusing.
All time favorite: 1. Shooting inside walls. I once spotted a saracen doing this at amg in Emain. Being a shield tank I just engaged him, wondered where the heck he is and then just faced and stuck him on wall and started poking him with my mace. He quickly withdraw from that position. If you consider that walls might have secret passageways with openings where you can shoot enemies, this could be described as a feature and be a valid position to shoot from. You can allways target these players with f8 and go kill them I think, some players might get a text saying he's not in view, but what you expect, archer shooting thru a small crack in wall quite possibly is not in view from some angle or position.
2. Standing on roof. This quite clearly is not bug nor bug abuse. It has been stated that way by Kemor too at some form I believe. If you can get on roof, you should also be able to kill people from there and on many occasions people have said you can target people on roof and kill them. Of course if you're a tank and do not know how to use bow or any other ranged attacks this strategic position might prove to be hard for you to cope with.
3. Standing inside roof. Heard it's possible and now you can't be targetted, but can still kill people. This could be bug abuse and not a feature. Perhaps you could say there's also secret passageways on roofs too. Clever people what will they think next. Hide inside trees?
4. Climbing keep walls. I have noticed I can climb keep walls slowly and I hear you can also hit people on wall. Ok we don't have ladders, but my hero is surely so strong he can climb keep wall slowly if some dumb stalkers can fly them up and down geez.
The players who climb up keep walls are in clear view and targettable and I bet you can hit them from walls too, not sure if you can nuke them.
I have personally never used these features to my favor, but if you think of it like this its just another obstacle to go around and instead of bitching at boards you can just report the bug in Rightnow or somewhere, hope it will get fixed and carry on. That's what I do.
I am sure GOA will investigate this and ban people if necessary, but as I have many times heard ppl blame others from cheating without reason I allways want to give them a benefit of doubt.
This could be a case of minstrel and scout teaming up and using kiting to pick off opponents one by one.
1. Minstrel stays behind unstealthed to provide speed.
2. Scout advances stealthed, does crit shot and one follow up shot which will propably be a lethal shot if the target has low hp.
3. Considering the fact arrow takes some time to travel and hits target a couple seconds later it has been shot the shooter can be allready running away at sprint + speed 5 when the target dies.
(Damn did I just give alb stealthers some tactic advice. Ah well I bet they allready do this)
Then there's the lag and loss which affect the game. In daoc there's a thing called lag run. Usually you see it the way your puller runs into bunch of mobs and pulls all of them to your group killing all.
For example if you use speed song 5 and sprint to retreat as the game updates player positions and movements around you in certain radius, moving fast will increase the data transferred to and from your client causing more loss and lag with crappy connections. Any connection can be crappy. At this point the lag run starts and others will see you running forward indefinetily with that uber fast speed. Casting lullaby or any other insta at him won't have any effect at all coz it's just a lag ghost. If you make a turn and stealth in your client the other players won't see that until your client updates your charachter in the game at which point your charachter will seem to disappear at the end of lag run and teleport somewhere else and become stealthed if it's a stealth class.
Anyone who has played with me knows what is a lag run coz I do them constantly, because my ISP restricts outward transfer speeds. If the transferred data amount is too big the packets my computer sends out gets lost.
On another note I'd like to discuss other bugs and if using them in your advantage is actually abusing.
All time favorite: 1. Shooting inside walls. I once spotted a saracen doing this at amg in Emain. Being a shield tank I just engaged him, wondered where the heck he is and then just faced and stuck him on wall and started poking him with my mace. He quickly withdraw from that position. If you consider that walls might have secret passageways with openings where you can shoot enemies, this could be described as a feature and be a valid position to shoot from.
You can allways target these players with f8 and go kill them I think, some players might get a text saying he's not in view, but what you expect, archer shooting thru a small crack in wall quite possibly is not in view from some angle or position.2. Standing on roof. This quite clearly is not bug nor bug abuse. It has been stated that way by Kemor too at some form I believe. If you can get on roof, you should also be able to kill people from there and on many occasions people have said you can target people on roof and kill them. Of course if you're a tank and do not know how to use bow or any other ranged attacks this strategic position might prove to be hard for you to cope with.
3. Standing inside roof. Heard it's possible and now you can't be targetted, but can still kill people. This could be bug abuse and not a feature. Perhaps you could say there's also secret passageways on roofs too. Clever people what will they think next. Hide inside trees?
4. Climbing keep walls. I have noticed I can climb keep walls slowly and I hear you can also hit people on wall. Ok we don't have ladders, but my hero is surely so strong he can climb keep wall slowly if some dumb stalkers can fly them up and down geez.
The players who climb up keep walls are in clear view and targettable and I bet you can hit them from walls too, not sure if you can nuke them.
I have personally never used these features to my favor, but if you think of it like this its just another obstacle to go around and instead of bitching at boards you can just report the bug in Rightnow or somewhere, hope it will get fixed and carry on. That's what I do.
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old.XanateA
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"omfg!!!
Where the fk were you when my account was terminated for using third party mods to make myself run faster.
Fking shit GOA, ignore two reports then terminate my account.
And you are the first person i have ever seen who has known a reason for speed other than proper speed hacks. Although i wasn't even overclocked, some jumper switches on my motherboard were fecked and had the processor running at all different speeds."
Lo rawkeer :>, i remember ur name, mr speedy gonzales in emain , soo many ppl in NP reported u for speed hack ;>~~
Where the fk were you when my account was terminated for using third party mods to make myself run faster.
Fking shit GOA, ignore two reports then terminate my account.
And you are the first person i have ever seen who has known a reason for speed other than proper speed hacks. Although i wasn't even overclocked, some jumper switches on my motherboard were fecked and had the processor running at all different speeds."
Lo rawkeer :>, i remember ur name, mr speedy gonzales in emain , soo many ppl in NP reported u for speed hack ;>~~
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Subbiz
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no, as I stated previously, there were no minstrel about, not in field of sight, and no trees/bushes to hide behind within speed range. and it still doesnt explain how he got out of _MELEE_ Combat with more than speed5+sprint.
I guess its a "grey area" they havent decided what to call it. so if its bug abuse or not we will never know. I reported veeshan for standing on DC roof a while ago, I dont know what the outcome was.
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Cerverloc
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Like said before. The roof is an easy spot to be targetted. Its only a exploit if you cannot be targetted/hit.
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Subbiz
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omg pls? PLEASE? go play cs!
well apart from jerks like the above quote, the whole banning concept here is that ppl aer putting more at stake here than in cs. In case I got reported for a cheat, I would loose an account with a lvl 50 with 50 days /play, a lvl 41 with 6 days /play, a lvl 23 and a lvl 11 (I think overall /play for those 2 is a couple of days). Thats lost, and the account is running on 5th month I think. then take the price of the game, and the price for 5 months and add those to all the time lost, all the chars and items lost, and go start over with the reputation as a cheater.... thats a bit more than getting banned from 1 of 300.000 cs servers :] and how hard is it to get a cs cdkey? I got 4-5 working I think...
but yea there is cheats out, but it is foolish to use them.. most of them is spotted easely and its not hard to report cheaters in this game.