GOA's response regarding Grapple buff fluff

[Ilum]

we get no charge~~

Anyway, without shouts, its like playing a wannabe zerk with thane weaponskill.

a) Quads? lols...havnt seen one in 1 month~~

b) melee resist? - dont really have such deathwish ;d

c) haste shout......toa haste + haste bot on zerk (+celerity..)= erm...cant get any faster

d) end shout - using end shout the most when i sprint after some wannabe-kiteing caster, prevent flight...(endpots~)

e) dmg shout - oke, i would miss this one

The only shout you'd miss is the dps increase shout according to yourself :]

 

[remi]

The only shout you'd miss is the dps increase shout according to yourself :]

amgad, such old post you found there

(would miss haste too!)

 

[Compton]

savages without shouts is th worst light tank there is.

and why would that be? I'll take bm as comparison

1) ws
--> compared to pierce bm (also str/dex based weap) the ws difference is really minimal (sav ws is better than normaly hybrid ws, but bit less than pure tank (non-warrior)). Compared to a str based weapon the ws difference is large. BUT what spell do you meet vs any good group out there? yes, str/con debuff. After this debuff, a str/dex weapon comes out better than pure str weapons.

2) defence
--> bm has adv evade 3, savage by wonder adv evade 4 (not counting shouts for defence). Bm has triple wield to not get crits on himself. Normally a bm/merc is 50/50/28 parry so has better parry... BUT as we are talking without those shouts, a savage has better parry too than a bm/merc! And with shouts... well, no point in pointing out I take

3) offence
--> bm has triple wield to enhance dmg. Sav's can not only dual hit (talking about non-LA mechanics), but magically also triple and quad (%low yes I know). So without triple wield a sav's dmg is arguably as good/better than a bm, given the more dmg output from unstyled triple/quads but bit lower ws so lower dps. Afaik the savage dual wield rate is the same as a merc/bm, correct me if I'm wrong pls
--> style growth rate, see http://daoc.nisrv.com/index.php for the growth rates, there you will see a bm has the worst of all, merc bit better, zerk better than both merc and bm, and savage suddenly insanely better... (cougar has somewhere the hth growth rates I think )

This is without all those poxy stupid buffs, with the dps enhancer on top.

Whine on, just couldnt resist to bring up the good old savage whine

 

[Thornar]

I think Grapple is the best thing that ever happened to DAoC.

 

[cougar]

I think Grapple is the best thing that ever happened to DAoC.

aye i agree, all tanks permagrappled except savage is indeed a good thing for midgard!!!!!

 

[Dorin]

why would grapple be overpowered/fucked up anymore when the caster is stunned for full duration? you sacrifice one guy to stop another guy, and the other guy can still cast spells/throw weapons. hibs have a supportclass that can be a grappler, so what, mids have another spreadhealer for example.

lol so warden/hero in a hib caster grp who were somewhat defensive pretoa (by taking them outfight not gimping the grps dmg output), presses one-button "killing" a dmg dealer from the enemy grp (svg, zerk, merc, arms standing in one place not doing shit is pretty much can be considered as dead) meanwhile making impossible to hit the caster under him due to bg is ok for you... and comparing it to an extra spreadhealer (aye they will heal the enemy to death xD) dont want to start argument about grapple, but your post made me smile. Mythic should have removed svgs from game rather than implanting "casters DONT QQ more, here is grapple" stuff

 

[Belomar]

--> compared to pierce bm (also str/dex based weap) the ws difference is really minimal (sav ws is better than normaly hybrid ws, but bit less than pure tank (non-warrior)).

Savages have crap weaponskill. My RR1 Troll Savage (the last thing I rolled before retirement) had about 1700 WS at level 50 fully buffed and with capped +H2H. I know that zerkers routinely have 2000+ WS (and warriors 2100-2200), how much WS does a BM have? Can't be very much shy of 2000?

 

[Loch]

Dreami's rr11 thrust merc has 2014 ws, with ~15-20 overcaps on str and dex, so I imagine that a typical pierce bm would have around 1850-1900 =l

 

[Sycho]

My bm had 1918 as pierce and had no toa sc.

Merc 2115 as slash with aug str 2 and +24 str overcap.

Zerk 2088 with no toa sc and aug str 1 xE.

So yes 2014 is very good for a thrust merc.

A troll savage can get 1850 or so at around rr5 with toa sc i wouldn't call that ws that bad considering the damage they do.

 

[Puppet]

Dreami's rr11 thrust merc has 2014 ws, with ~15-20 overcaps on str and dex, so I imagine that a typical pierce bm would have around 1850-1900 =l

I believe Xxcalibur is just under 2000 as Pierce Blademaster. Tho Xxcalibur is not a 'typical' pierce BM I guess

1850-1900 is like RR5 Pierce BM without any decent TOA-gear.

Gwal has over 2000 WS; he's a blades blademaster tho.

A RR5 champion with max +STR overcap and 50+15 Large Weapon is looking at about 1675~1700 WS - to compare a hybrid to the pure tanks

 

[cougar]

Savages have crap weaponskill. My RR1 Troll Savage (the last thing I rolled before retirement) had about 1700 WS at level 50 fully buffed and with capped +H2H. I know that zerkers routinely have 2000+ WS (and warriors 2100-2200), how much WS does a BM have? Can't be very much shy of 2000?

yeah, way out of line with that little ws. It's an issue i hope savage TL will adress to mythic.

 

[Compton]

rr5 bm fully buffed... celt
345str
335dex
aug dex2
PRETOA all capped
1867ws

tell stats for ws too, like overcapping etc

=> savage is not on hybrid ws table nor pure tank, but a marginally lower ws table like I said in my first post. The whole point behind it was: savage arguably better/as good as a bm (better imo, as growth rates are way better, you could see triple/quadding + lower ws makes it equal) not counting the shouts....

with shouts you get?

Show some ws numbers pls savages

need more pages than scout thread

 

[Belomar]

I would imagine many savages, even H2H ones, go for 49 Savagery and 44 weapon to get the best DPS buff and haste, even at the loss of some WS.

 

[Thornar]

nerf zerk another 40%

Then I'm out of this game for good.

And that'd be a shame for you Albs and Hibs,
since I am pretty often giving away nearly free RPs.

 

[Sycho]

http://vnboards.ign.com/Savage_Forum/b22323/71867834/?12

 

[cougar]

I would imagine many savages, even H2H ones, go for 49 Savagery and 44 weapon to get the best DPS buff and haste, even at the loss of some WS.

yup it's best imo

 

[p0x]

Then I'm out of this game for good.

And that'd be a shame for you Albs and Hibs,
since I am pretty often giving away nearly free RPs.

Seeing your stats from that sig, no wonder ^^