GOAnews about barrels

[Tesla Monkor]

I'm disappointed in GOA - again. They pulled the same stunt with the removal of the dropped artifacts. I asked specifically, face-to-face of a GM, if I should hang onto my artifacts for selling, or any other type of reimbursement.

There would be nothing like that in Europe, since Mythic already announced the buy-back of artifacts, I was assured. So I sold the arties for 1c on my CM to help out people who needed them.

One week before release of the patch they suddenly come up with a swap-the-artifact-for-a-full-book thing.. that did not amuse me in the slightest. Now they're doing it again with those barrels.

It doesn't matter that these were meant as a bonus - trampling over your customers like this is just stupid... regardless of the enforced polical background ties to Mythic. You should have resisted Mythic and told them to shove it - surely by now you must have enough monetary clout to stand up to Mythic, seeing as Mythic already tied up with GOA for Warhammer down the road. Mythic is as much dependant on GOA as vice versa.

Removing the barrels because we now can get inferior 3/6/9 potions is a cop out. And no, I'm not even using barrels, but that's besides the point.

 

[Tulkos]

What i am wondering is will the differnt size of new stacks of potions be at higher levels of alch ?

 

[Eeben]

why have room for 100 pots in 1 spot when you can have 9!

 

[Solari]

Do I interpret this wrong but what I see here is 2 comments from 1 person conflicting each other? 1st you say it doesn't make any difference and then u say it does... Ok, honestly I don't have any idea what you are after. Maybe I just missed your point, but if so, feel free to open it up for me.

Essentially my point is barrels easen up your life, but life goes on with or without (as the case is soon to be) them. Nothing more. IMO there's no need to make such drama about them leaving.

First statement being sarcastic, both statements being against removal of barrels.

 

[Cromcruaich]

Agree with the majority of posters here, but will reiterate.

The removal has been very badly handled. The only explanation is that they didnt want people to stock up on components. Not sure why.

The removal should of happened as part of the 1.85.

Once again, the arguments put forward by Requiel as to why they have been taken out really dont add up in my mind.

Sorry, not added anything new, but thought it necessary to express my opinion in the vague hope that GoA listens to its player base.

I withdraw my last point (soz Req), after another poster said that the single charge potions were being removed from the game (as opposed to just coexisting with the 3/6/9 charge)

 

[IainC]

We did overstep ourselves somewhat when we introduced the barrels. We are allowed to introduce new content within fairly broad parameters, the way we did barrels and bottles pushed the limits of what we were allowed to do and Mythic are entirely within their rights to ask us to withdraw that content. It's their game and they hold the reigns.

We couldn't leave it in place until 1.85 hits because as far as was possible we wanted to ensure that our system (which makes a Mythic system redundant) was gone. There will be a few barrels left floating around when the patch goes live but not so many and so the new design implementation of potions will be correctly realised.

We couldn't give a warning about this or have a notice period because firstly it would largely have negated the point above - alchemists would be going crazy creating as many barrels as possible while they could and there'd be stocks available for many months to come. Secondly we didn't give a warning because to do so would have created even more complaints from players who were unable to make a last batch before the timer expired and felt that we'd somehow discriminated against them. Believe me this happens. A lot. However we did it we lose and so we felt the fairest way was to pull the system with no warning or lead period. If you have a barrel now then you are fortunate, if you don't, then there may still be a few available or you can wait until 1.85 is live.

Tesla:
The situation with artifacts is not quite as you stated it. I told people that we were not going to be implementing the same system as Mythic did as we didn't want artifacts to be permacamped by people hoarding them in anticipation of a big payday. Initially, and when you spoke to me, our plan was to have unactivated artifacts have no value or a trivial sell-back price. However, based on community feedback and several well-reasoned suggestions on here and the internal boards we changed that so as not to penalise players who still had unactivated artifacts. Again we couldn't very well advertise this change of heart in advance as it would have led to exactly the same situation that we were trying to avoid in the first place.

 

[Ctuchik]

I do however find it a little rough that they were removed without any prior notice, hell even a post to say they were going to remove them the next day would have been better.

ah, but the reason they didnt was so ppl would *NOT* stock up on those barrels. they DO want those barrels to be gone or close to gone when 1.85 comes. thats the whole idea.

wouldent be much use if they made a advanced warning and everyone that could made 100's of em right?

sure i bet someone have loads of them but the fewer the better when 1.85 comes.

 

[Nate]

can you tell mythic to up the numbers on these crappy vials req..then there is no reason for whine here, can totally avoid the situation

 

[Bahumat]

I want blood! Requiel, go kill an old lady and bring me her head!

 

[Pirkel]

can you tell mythic to up the numbers on these crappy vials req..then there is no reason for whine here, can totally avoid the situation

Yes because trying to improve on Mythic's design isn't what got them forced to change it back.

Oh wait.

 

[Cromcruaich]

We did overstep ourselves somewhat when we introduced the barrels. We are allowed to introduce new content within fairly broad parameters, the way we did barrels and bottles pushed the limits of what we were allowed to do and Mythic are entirely within their rights to ask us to withdraw that content. It's their game and they hold the reigns.

We couldn't leave it in place until 1.85 hits because as far as was possible we wanted to ensure that our system (which makes a Mythic system redundant) was gone. There will be a few barrels left floating around when the patch goes live but not so many and so the new design implementation of potions will be correctly realised.

We couldn't give a warning about this or have a notice period because firstly it would largely have negated the point above - alchemists would be going crazy creating as many barrels as possible while they could and there'd be stocks available for many months to come. Secondly we didn't give a warning because to do so would have created even more complaints from players who were unable to make a last batch before the timer expired and felt that we'd somehow discriminated against them. Believe me this happens. A lot. However we did it we lose and so we felt the fairest way was to pull the system with no warning or lead period. If you have a barrel now then you are fortunate, if you don't, then there may still be a few available or you can wait until 1.85 is live.

Tesla:
The situation with artifacts is not quite as you stated it. I told people that we were not going to be implementing the same system as Mythic did as we didn't want artifacts to be permacamped by people hoarding them in anticipation of a big payday. Initially, and when you spoke to me, our plan was to have unactivated artifacts have no value or a trivial sell-back price. However, based on community feedback and several well-reasoned suggestions on here and the internal boards we changed that so as not to penalise players who still had unactivated artifacts. Again we couldn't very well advertise this change of heart in advance as it would have led to exactly the same situation that we were trying to avoid in the first place.

Thanks for the explanation. The discussion was barrelling along at a fair old pace but now its time to put a lid on it.

 

[Tuppe]

personally know allso its not goa:s fault.
there was "some" whining up in US servers when peeps heard these barrels, and probably mythic forced partially remove these candys.

yet i am still looking what unique we have compared to US servers because lack many "candys" theres up in overseas.

 

[Gear]

The way that I react to the change and in my fair perception a lot of other players react in the same way, is that mythic instead of implementing a very nice addition created by their partners, GOA, in the game, just manufactured something inferior in its place.

This, along with some other features we miss out in comparison with what's offered in the states, make us feel like second-class customers.

No offence to anyone, i believe that goa has improved a lot (no lag at all for example lately) but they're still bound by silly contracts whereby they cannot improve the game even if they have some ideas, while at the same time the "designing team" fucks off making war and try to salvage whatever milk's been handed out by their us servers.

Soz goa geezers, but they really fuck you up more than they fuck us, your customers, up. At least my paycheck's not bound to daoc (and mythic which is now EA)

 

[tonfa]

very few changes that come in are good...

the barrels was great because it took away the hassel of pots.

you whack the end barrel in slot 79 and macro the use on it.

now going to 9 charge pots means location macro isnt going to work u will have to create it again when your pot dies or move another pot down a slot (which u will forget to do a few time untill u quickly realise u need to abandom that stratogy)

So it means dragging pots onto the Qbar and use macro and click them right???

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very bad, perhaps req, you can show this post to mythic to see that barrels were a fantastic idea that is superior to what they have

 

[knighthood]

Oh Good now i dont need to worry about stealthers using them so much vs me in fights mwhahahahaha

Im on Requiels side here im afraid, theres a lot of u chuckin blame at GoA , and as was stated, this is something they implimented without mythics permission, theyve been found out, mythic wants it removed. U shuld be thankful u even got the soddin things in the first place..

And takin up more items slots for rvr ? lol so what ? how many items do u normally run around with in your backpack in rvr anyway ? not many i bet, u prolly have 4 pages full of loose inventory space so its going to make no diff anyway. Hell if these pots are cheaper i may use some myself.

Btw side note : is 1.85 the one where u can get CL10 or is the LOTM

 

[Wild]

tbh i see this inc as soon as i read patch notes on Herald. would make mythics "new" system look crap and since they made up there minds with the new system, the old goa one had to go.

only thing i cant seem to figure out is why not just give the yanks barrels ? how does it effect the game ? prolly some twat with a big ego at mythic trying to punish GOA for doing stuff without geting approval or somthing or they put a hamster in the think tank coz the real programers are working on WAR.

the thing i hate with mmorpg's is the "TIME" aspect of them. sure they add stuff like 10 min horse routes and slow crafting so that you have to play longer and thus the games life lasts longer. trouble is that kinda thing works at the start of a games life but now ? 5 yrs on with 1 new people joining every 3 weeks ?

yes i know teleports are added and are great they were long overdue TOA is easyer now but was to little to late imo.. BUT the player base that is still here is here to mainly RVR and its still fun, content/time based things wont keep ppl here any longer now its the action in rvr that will decide if someone gives up(usually) its bad enough to stock up on water pots with 20 charges then only to discover youve run out. how many times do i hear .. aww shit im outa pots in vent? loads and loads.. now we got pots that get used a LOT in rvr with only 9 charges ... so less time doing the only thing thats keeping me playing coz i gota keep running to the ME. WTG MYTHIC

just feel sorry for the yanks coz they never even had barrels.

It was one of the few bits on content added that actually improved the game for me, and by a LONG way

 

[Quantaco]

what is mythics design?

There design is to remove good things of the game and leave crap for customers who has to pay for there products.

And tbh if they really think they r clever ?? Remove barrel to extent there playtime ?

I am so angry, becoz they cant give balance on realms... Play Balls games, while i post some suggestion for them ^ ^

 

[rampant]

We did overstep ourselves somewhat when we introduced the barrels. We are allowed to introduce new content within fairly broad parameters, the way we did barrels and bottles pushed the limits of what we were allowed to do and Mythic are entirely within their rights to ask us to withdraw that content. It's their game and they hold the reigns.

We couldn't leave it in place until 1.85 hits because as far as was possible we wanted to ensure that our system (which makes a Mythic system redundant) was gone. There will be a few barrels left floating around when the patch goes live but not so many and so the new design implementation of potions will be correctly realised.

We couldn't give a warning about this or have a notice period because firstly it would largely have negated the point above - alchemists would be going crazy creating as many barrels as possible while they could and there'd be stocks available for many months to come. Secondly we didn't give a warning because to do so would have created even more complaints from players who were unable to make a last batch before the timer expired and felt that we'd somehow discriminated against them. Believe me this happens. A lot. However we did it we lose and so we felt the fairest way was to pull the system with no warning or lead period. If you have a barrel now then you are fortunate, if you don't, then there may still be a few available or you can wait until 1.85 is live.

Tesla:
The situation with artifacts is not quite as you stated it. I told people that we were not going to be implementing the same system as Mythic did as we didn't want artifacts to be permacamped by people hoarding them in anticipation of a big payday. Initially, and when you spoke to me, our plan was to have unactivated artifacts have no value or a trivial sell-back price. However, based on community feedback and several well-reasoned suggestions on here and the internal boards we changed that so as not to penalise players who still had unactivated artifacts. Again we couldn't very well advertise this change of heart in advance as it would have led to exactly the same situation that we were trying to avoid in the first place.

yea riiiight

 

[GReaper]

Would've been better if Mythic introduced their own barrel instead. Make it an LGM alchemy item, costs 500g to make, only takes 2 minutes.

Why? It's an excellent cash sink, every time one is made 500g is effectively removed out of the economy.

 

[Krakatau]

I'm disappointed in GOA - again. They pulled the same stunt with the removal of the dropped artifacts. I asked specifically, face-to-face of a GM, if I should hang onto my artifacts for selling, or any other type of reimbursement.

There would be nothing like that in Europe, since Mythic already announced the buy-back of artifacts, I was assured. So I sold the arties for 1c on my CM to help out people who needed them.

One week before release of the patch they suddenly come up with a swap-the-artifact-for-a-full-book thing.. that did not amuse me in the slightest. Now they're doing it again with those barrels.

It doesn't matter that these were meant as a bonus - trampling over your customers like this is just stupid... regardless of the enforced polical background ties to Mythic. You should have resisted Mythic and told them to shove it - surely by now you must have enough monetary clout to stand up to Mythic, seeing as Mythic already tied up with GOA for Warhammer down the road. Mythic is as much dependant on GOA as vice versa.

Removing the barrels because we now can get inferior 3/6/9 potions is a cop out. And no, I'm not even using barrels, but that's besides the point.

Meep meep!!

Must be hard having to face Requiel asking questions like that

 

[trycorn]

might have missed it in this post but any1 know what lvl alc u need 4 the new pot's ??

 

[scorge]

Sorry, not added anything new, but thought it necessary to express my opinion in the vague hope that GoA listens to its player base.

GoA wont reverse the policy on barrels as they are too stubborn, the barrels was a good idea and mythic should of added it to there "to do list"

Goa dont listen to the player base unless your :

a) french
b) german

Even then they may not bother listening, as a side note where the barrels available on the other EURO servers or just excal/pry ?

 

[Oboy]

might have missed it in this post but any1 know what lvl alc u need 4 the new pot's ??

all info u need is here: http://apothecary.4t.com/

 

[Darzil]

Even then they may not bother listening, as a side note where the barrels available on the other EURO servers or just excal/pry ?

On all the TOA ruleset servers.

Darzil

 

[Sparx]

a bit harsh scorge it was nothing to do with goa having the barrels removed as was stated it was mythic throwing their toys out the pram

 

[BloodOmen]

We know that this is going to be an unpopular move but the way that barrels and bottles are implemented ingame currently is not consistent with Mythic's design. Because of the stacked potions coming in 1.85 this special content will no longer be relevant and so we are retiring it so that players can wind down their stocks of the old barrels and bottles prior to the new patch.

Remember that this was bonus content, only available on normal ruleset servers and subject to being pulled at any time. It was never intended to be an integral part of the game.

Agree with bluesky here... just isn't the same requiel you should dress up like a barrel and go parade around mythics HQ screaming "Noob" at every mythic employee you find

 

[old.Whoodoo]

GoA wont reverse the policy on barrels as they are too stubborn, the barrels was a good idea and mythic should of added it to there "to do list"

Goa dont listen to the player base unless your :

a) french
b) german

Even then they may not bother listening, as a side note where the barrels available on the other EURO servers or just excal/pry ?

You really should read the whole thread before making assumptions.

GOA DID listen to the player base, and though the barrels were a good idea, and therefore decided to impliment them.

Mythic decided the barrels were not consistant with their philosophy and told GOA to remove them.

GOA have to do what Mythic say, as they own the game and GOA merely host it, so they removed them in the fairest way possible.

I am sure GOA would love to keep the barrels (reading Reqs post) but are not allowed to. What this has to do with being French or German is beyond me.

 

[Ckiller]

what is mythics design?

its a Spoon

 

[old.Whoodoo]

its a Spoon

There is no spoon.

 

[judas]

its a Spoon

rept!