GOA Inconsistancy

[CjkaceBM]

Before I start, take you QQ and nerf Animist crap elsewhere, this isn't about that.

OK here's the story.

Having read about the strategy to kill the Hib dragon using animists, a few of us got together and went off to kill it. Everything went fine until it died, at which point it dropped no loot at all. The raid leader used Right Now and received the response that it was killed by a pet, which is a known bug, so tough luck.

Now whether or not you like Animists being able to do this (I don't personally, believing epic mobs should be epic) it seems that blaming bugs is perfectly acceptable for Goa to hide behind, but god forbid you should benefit from a known bug as then you'll get banned. If people that use known bugs are banned then shouldn't people who suffer from known bugs receive their reward?

Now for the inconsistancy. I've seen other people given drops because the encounter was bugged, but if you use a pet, and a known bug screws up the encounter, tough shit is the GOA response.

:kissit: @ GOA from someone who has supported your actions for a long time.

 

[chipper]

it is ludicrous why does it matter if a pet killed it ?
ask yourself the simple question what the hell is the point of using a pet class if you cant use your pets yes we know there overpowered etc but its not about that

goa severly punish ppl for abusing a bug the animist way of killing the dragon is NOT a bug its just another short sight by mythic and now we get punished for it and lose out

the part that really pisses me of and alot of my guild who have been doing these raids lately is that we have had this happen before and we HAVE recieved the loot from GOA, to turn round this time is extremely childish stupid and hypocritical of this company and is yet another black mark against a company which allready has very poor popularity among its player base

there crying because hibs found a method to take down the dragon and get some very much needed respec stones for our realm and yes make some of us a decent amount of money, after all the crap we have had with the dragon in hib for the last 2 years you would think they would give us a break but no there once again just proving how incompetent they are

GOA sometimes you really do make me uke:

 

[Pin]

My experience is that 'returning' items does take time, and doing so is going somewhat out of their way and should not be regarded as a right, but more of a favour.
Dragon loot was returned in the past when a slaying was not a common occurance (once in a few months, etc), but now with him dropping daily (or more) on some servers, I wouldn't expect it to be highly prioritised.

Add to that that they are currently a little snowed-under by ToA report-spam

 

[Icebreaker]

The funny thing is. We went to the Dragon with 4fgs. Not with the 8 Animists + one bot fotm setup.....................

 

[CjkaceBM]

My experience is that 'returning' items does take time, and doing so is going somewhat out of their way and should not be regarded as a right, but more of a favour.
Dragon loot was returned in the past when a slaying was not a common occurance (once in a few months, etc), but now with him dropping daily (or more) on some servers, I wouldn't expect it to be highly prioritised.

Add to that that they are currently a little snowed-under by ToA report-spam

They responded.

A pet killed the dragon, this is a known bug, tough shit.

That was the response.

 

[Pin]

They responded.

A pet killed the dragon, this is a known bug, tough shit.

That was the response.

And my point was that the response you get is mostly down to the amount of available time their staff have. 2 mins to write/copy-paste that response, or 60 minutes to return your items.

 

[Oro]

I remember when we did a dragon raid in Mid/Pryd the loot fell through the floor after the dragon was killed.

By the next morning, Kemor had given me all the gear so that we could divvy up the goodies.

Shame that a legitimate kill on the Hib dragon received a "Nae luck laddy" response.

Doesn't matter whether they don't like that Hibs can play dragon farm, its a feature of the game as implemented by Mythic and is not bug abusing.

Fairly clear, the response had nothing to do with whether you should have got the loot but that they wanted to stop animists from camping dragon.

 

[Esoteric]

If anyone kills X mob they should get X mobs loot regardless of whether a pet got the final blow or not. Games been live a very long time this sort of bug should have been sorted long ago, I blame mythic more than goa for this though you should have gotten your loot one way or another.

 

[Eroa]

Killed dragon on prydwen with animist and got loot ^^

 

[Chilly]

TBH, you can kill it again as soon ashe repopts with no hassle so its not a problem rly.

 

[Reno]

We've killed it with Animists and got loot or got loot minus the skill respecs, or got the loot but noone could pick it up or no loot at all. Working as intended?

Danita

 

[CjkaceBM]

The issue is not killing it, nor really the drops.

The issue at heart is that GOA have decided that this bug is acceptable. The last reason they gave was that they weren't prepared to give the loot due to the dragon being farmed. This is causing many 'bugs', therefore many RightNows and they don't want to waste resources on what is essentially a 'bug'.

Probably the worst customer service response I've ever seen.

 

[Amuse]

The issue is not killing it, nor really the drops.

The issue at heart is that GOA have decided that this bug is acceptable. The last reason they gave was that they weren't prepared to give the loot due to the dragon being farmed. This is causing many 'bugs', therefore many RightNows and they don't want to waste resources on what is essentially a 'bug'.

Probably the worst customer service response I've ever seen.

well.. seeing as they have alot of problems with the sub pages, and allot of accounts has ben closed today for no reason, they cant realy spend time or ppl on that (i pray to god they cant, and focus all theyr resourced on fixing the accounts)

ppl not beeing able to play, even though they payed for playing, is a biger problem than dragon not droping loot to pets from time to time

 

[Balbor]

If people that use known bugs are banned then shouldn't people who suffer from known bugs receive their reward?

Have you ever read the bug list of Necros? How about banning anyone that cast a CC spell that effects a necros pet, goes out of LOS while necro is casting a pet on them, re-stuns/mezzes/roots/snares a necro pet within the 1min supossed immunity timer, interupts a necros that has used MOC etc etc.

Bugs are Mythics consern, spelling/grammer errors thats what GOA will fix.

 

[Elewyth(TLSOA)]

personally i dont give a shit u missed your loot, right now over 20 players (that i know of) have had their accounts closed for no reason.. no warnings. no emails..nothing i think tbh EVERYONE would prioritise THAT over your dumb bugged loot problem.. when people cant play through no fault of their own GOA lose money... money > your loot.. dont cry about it go farm it again.. itll take you what? 5mins? wow massive loss of downtime that.. oh wait thats it your crying cos now you cant sell your precious loot... QQ please when you have a real complaint bring it here.. dont QQ over loot ffs, its only a game... besides youve got atleast another 3-4 months to bug abuse FOP and Radius aggro to kill the dragon.

 

[CjkaceBM]

personally i dont give a shit u missed your loot, right now over 20 players (that i know of) have had their accounts closed for no reason.. no warnings. no emails..nothing i think tbh EVERYONE would prioritise THAT over your dumb bugged loot problem.. when people cant play through no fault of their own GOA lose money... money > your loot.. dont cry about it go farm it again.. itll take you what? 5mins? wow massive loss of downtime that.. oh wait thats it your crying cos now you cant sell your precious loot... QQ please when you have a real complaint bring it here.. dont QQ over loot ffs, its only a game... besides youve got atleast another 3-4 months to bug abuse FOP and Radius aggro to kill the dragon.

I would suggest you read the whole thread - where am I crying? Where is this about loot? It's about an attitude towards a bug, just as you seem to be annoyed about the attitude towards accounts being closed. FOP isn't bugged, neither is radius agro, neither is animist pet. Loot not dropping because of a pet getting the kill is a bug. If it happened on a ML10 encounter and the same response was issued would that be ok too?

 

[Yussef]

personally i dont give a shit u missed your loot, right now over 20 players (that i know of) have had their accounts closed for no reason.. no warnings. no emails..nothing i think tbh EVERYONE would prioritise THAT over your dumb bugged loot problem.. when people cant play through no fault of their own GOA lose money... money > your loot.. dont cry about it go farm it again.. itll take you what? 5mins? wow massive loss of downtime that.. oh wait thats it your crying cos now you cant sell your precious loot... QQ please when you have a real complaint bring it here.. dont QQ over loot ffs, its only a game... besides youve got atleast another 3-4 months to bug abuse FOP and Radius aggro to kill the dragon.

You sir, are a retard.

 

[Eroa]

besides youve got atleast another 3-4 months to bug abuse FOP and Radius aggro to kill the dragon.

bug abuse? there is no bug abuse. Its working as intended

 

[Tafaya Anathas]

From camelotherald.com, date was 2002-02-22 15:46:58:

However, because you used so many external NPC monsters (pets and confused monsters) to kill Golestandt, he didn't drop treasure when he died, because he was incorrectly set to "killed by monster", not "killed by player" when he died. This is a bug, and will be rectified immediately by our Customer Support department, who will give the proper loot to the primary raid coordinator, Rob VanDam (a 50th level Paladin) who will distribute it to the raid members using whatever method was agreed upon for the raid.

 

[Eroa]

Guess those rules only aply to Albion :touch:

 

[Icebreaker]

From camelotherald.com, date was 2002-02-22 15:46:58:

However, because you used so many external NPC monsters (pets and confused monsters) to kill Golestandt, he didn't drop treasure when he died, because he was incorrectly set to "killed by monster", not "killed by player" when he died. This is a bug, and will be rectified immediately by our Customer Support department, who will give the proper loot to the primary raid coordinator, Rob VanDam (a 50th level Paladin) who will distribute it to the raid members using whatever method was agreed upon for the raid.

Whatever the standards were. This has changed. Atleast for Goa. I had a little Chat ingame with Requiel and the Reasons why i won't get the loot are:

a) The Hib Dragon gets killed way to often atm (up to 7 Times per Day)

b) They don't have the time to give me the Drops because it happened not only to me it seems and checking logs, getting Drops, handing out to me is teh timesink for them

c) (And i think thats the real Reason) F... O.., you farmed him enough!


I can understand them but its still abit gay, mainly because it was an full size Raid of me (and my first Dragon Raid!) with 4 fgs and not only the fotm setup and they choosed me to be the first >nihohohohoh you wont get the Drops< Pimp!

 

[PJS]

a) The Hib Dragon gets killed way to often atm (up to 7 Times per Day)

really :O? wonder why the greedy are still trying to gouge 5p a time for them then?
thats like 1 for every person in the realm in 3 days

 

[yaruar]

I suspect that goa will hotfix the amamist issue soon then as hobs seem to be abusing it to the max at the moment.

It's a pity greedy players from a realm mean that people doing it the hard way lose out, but i doubt that will stop the farmers.

Reminds me of the people who continually fucus pulled TG in mid and wouldn't even stop when people organised big realm wide public raids so the drop rate was awful and half the drop mobs weren't up.....

 

[old.Tohtori]

Did anyone say it yet?


GOA is just the provider.

Blame Mythic.

 

[Elewyth(TLSOA)]

I would suggest you read the whole thread - where am I crying? Where is this about loot? It's about an attitude towards a bug, just as you seem to be annoyed about the attitude towards accounts being closed. FOP isn't bugged, neither is radius agro, neither is animist pet. Loot not dropping because of a pet getting the kill is a bug. If it happened on a ML10 encounter and the same response was issued would that be ok too?

err yes it is bug abuse your exploiting a well known bug using FOP and keeping the FOP user out of the lair so that the dragon wont aggro your animists.. if that isnt bug abuse then perhaps youd better read CoC where it clearly states and i quote " Players undertake not to make use of any bugs, nor the use of any undocumented functions, nor to exploit any possible design flaws "

so you sir are a bug abuser, and under the CoC can and should be banned.

 

[Amelyn]

personally i dont give a shit u missed your loot, right now over 20 players (that i know of) have had their accounts closed for no reason.. no warnings. no emails..nothing i think tbh EVERYONE would prioritise THAT over your dumb bugged loot problem.. when people cant play through no fault of their own GOA lose money... money > your loot.. dont cry about it go farm it again.. itll take you what? 5mins? wow massive loss of downtime that.. oh wait thats it your crying cos now you cant sell your precious loot... QQ please when you have a real complaint bring it here.. dont QQ over loot ffs, its only a game... besides youve got atleast another 3-4 months to bug abuse FOP and Radius aggro to kill the dragon.

High class post....You make me laugh....
Save yourself from further shame and stay away from the boards brainiac :x

 

[Driwen]

err yes it is bug abuse your exploiting a well known bug using FOP and keeping the FOP user out of the lair so that the dragon wont aggro your animists.. if that isnt bug abuse then perhaps youd better read CoC where it clearly states and i quote " Players undertake not to make use of any bugs, nor the use of any undocumented functions, nor to exploit any possible design flaws "

so you sir are a bug abuser, and under the CoC can and should be banned.

it isnt a bug, fop wasnt meant to work in such a way and so it got nerfed in 1.70. However there are many examples of stuff being overpowered and using it wasnt a exploiting nor bug abusing.
It isnt a bug and fop and the animist are meant to work in such a way, allthough mythic has decided that it wasnt meant to be that strong. However it isnt an unmeant feature, fop is meant to give mana to everyone and animist pets are meant to kill (of course it isnt meant that 7 or 8 animist can kill the dragon though).

 

[Reno]

err yes it is bug abuse your exploiting a well known bug using FOP and keeping the FOP user out of the lair so that the dragon wont aggro your animists.. if that isnt bug abuse then perhaps youd better read CoC where it clearly states and i quote " Players undertake not to make use of any bugs, nor the use of any undocumented functions, nor to exploit any possible design flaws "

so you sir are a bug abuser, and under the CoC can and should be banned.

Ah yeah using animist and a fop must have meant that we used the explot.
Just because we're fully aware of that tactic doesn't mean we used it.
If you had bothered to read the posts and had tried to understand what was written in them, you would have known that we didn't use nor needed that tactic.
It was just rezzing the fopper, rezzing the animists, rezzing the rezzers etc,etc. With 4 fg of animists and rezzers and a few leeches you don't need that cheesy exploit as it only takes a minute more at most. Besides the most important reason why we didn't use it, is because we don't WANT to.
Just because you would have taken the easy way and used that exploit doesn't mean everyone else will in that position.

Ain't assumption and perception a bitch?

Danita

 

[Amuse]

ok.. to say what elewyth said in a bether way..

GoA has bigger problems, such as the server updates, the closed accounts, the sub pages and all the engry ppl with closed accounts mailing them to handle at the moment..

i dont thik it is right that you dont get the loot, and the reply from GoA was terible, but since i am one of the persons with a closed account, i cant help feeling this "screw you not geting loot, i cant play" way atm..

you may think i am an idiot for thinking like that, but if you had your accound closed, for no reason at all, even though you payed, you would feel the exact same way,

 

[Damon_D]

Haha !!!!