GOA, go back to kindergarden

[Gamah]

No, because I have a mum.

 

[CuddleBunny!]

It's time to calm down mates, calm down.

omg... that's like.. far down :<

 

[Straef]

LOL WTF HOW CAN YOU ASK GOA TO GO BACK TO THE KINDERGARTEN WHEN YOU RUN A GROUP OF 8 PEOPLE THAT I'D CALL KINDERGARTEN PLAYSTYLE ENFORCEMENT GROUP BECAUSE YOU STEAL THE TOYS OF THE OTHER KIDS BY KILLING THEM WHILE YOU ARE STRONGER?

Hypocrisy?

Scnr.

He's a hypocrit for beating you? That makes sense.
Assuming the winning group would be 'stronger' and the losing group would be 'weaker'.
Exactly how would a weaker group beat a stronger group? By outsmarting them, that's right. The problem is, that a large part of the so-called 'brawn' in a game (this game, at least) is based on skill/brains/knowledge of the game, or whatever you want to call it. Thus, by being smart, someone would be strong in this case. So, they're stronger, as well as smarter. How would those 'other kids' beat them, then? They wouldn't.
Basicaly, you're calling him a hypocrit for doing the obvious...

 

[Box4m]

He's a hypocrit for beating you? That makes sense.
Assuming the winning group would be 'stronger' and the losing group would be 'weaker'.
Exactly how would a weaker group beat a stronger group? By outsmarting them, that's right. The problem is, that a large part of the so-called 'brawn' in a game (this game, at least) is based on skill/brains/knowledge of the game, or whatever you want to call it. Thus, by being smart, someone would be strong in this case. So, they're stronger, as well as smarter. How would those 'other kids' beat them, then? They wouldn't.
Basicaly, you're calling him a hypocrit for doing the obvious...

No probs Straef, hes doing this to all threads someone in mael posts, obviously he is bitter cause he knows he will never ever even come close. Feels the urge to reply, not to the context, but cause i wrote it I find it quite amusing

 

[CuddleBunny!]

witty stuff

want a care-hug?

 

[censi]

christ that picture gives me vertigo just looking at it.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Aye, I'm bitter cause Mael pwned me in a video game. Olol...

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

He's a hypocrit for beating you? That makes sense.
Assuming the winning group would be 'stronger' and the losing group would be 'weaker'.
Exactly how would a weaker group beat a stronger group? By outsmarting them, that's right. The problem is, that a large part of the so-called 'brawn' in a game (this game, at least) is based on skill/brains/knowledge of the game, or whatever you want to call it. Thus, by being smart, someone would be strong in this case. So, they're stronger, as well as smarter. How would those 'other kids' beat them, then? They wouldn't.
Basicaly, you're calling him a hypocrit for doing the obvious...

DOH. Stronger in kindergarten = 1-2 years older. It's just the physis, unless you are a fat HO gimp in there. That has not much to do with skill, brain or knowledge. Now, if you don't know that, there is not much sense to continue the discussion with you fruther.

 

[remi]

Aye, I'm bitter cause Mael pwned me in a video game. Olol...

is u teh newbie?

 

[Etinay]

Yeh, The spanish servers have 4 players though they dont count!!11

Pfft, 100 thank you!

And tbh... Im proud to be an alb on that server! Totaly 1 claimed keep in the entire front

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Pfft, 100 thank you!

And tbh... Im proud to be an alb on that server! Totaly 1 claimed keep in the entire front

ROFL...

 

[Chimaira]

is u teh newbie?

He is. Iam to xD

 

[Dreami]

The lag poons

 

[Conjurus]

is u teh newbie?

is u teh pathetic loosah?

 

[Henrock]

i got prawned in videogame and now i is on prozak...

 

[boppas]

DAoC UK servers are the biggest joke in mmorpg history, everyday theres lag & every month lately theres downtime... uber servers with an uber team behind em \o/

One thing for sure GoA/Mythic can sit on it & spin when they release there *next* mmorpg...never again will i have anything todo with them, over the years theyve shown others how to NOT run an mmorpg. They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery...yeh, ive said that before too \o/

 

[Niko]

fuck daoc sux

 

[Joor]

So meny angry people in here, u rly thing goa care about these threads?

 

[Straef]

No probs Straef, hes doing this to all threads someone in mael posts, obviously he is bitter cause he knows he will never ever even come close. Feels the urge to reply, not to the context, but cause i wrote it I find it quite amusing

It's just a shame I can't seem to talk any sense into him :< Surely even the thickest person would get some vague idea of the retarded image he's creating after all the replies he received so far, yet Manisch doesn't

want a care-hug?

Hey, I was bored, just enjoy and be amused :<

Aye, I'm bitter cause Mael pwned me in a video game. Olol...

Well, seeing that pretty much every reply you've made on this forum (not to mention your whine threads) has been either bitter or nonsense, I'd guess you do cry over a game.

DOH. Stronger in kindergarten = 1-2 years older. It's just the physis, unless you are a fat HO gimp in there. That has not much to do with skill, brain or knowledge. Now, if you don't know that, there is not much sense to continue the discussion with you fruther.

We were having a discussion? You cried, I replied. I'd hardly concider that a discussion myself. So, by calling someone stronger, you mean older? Great sense of logics there :<

is u teh pathetic loosah?

Is u teh crying biatch? :< Yes, you are :x

So meny angry people in here, u rly thing goa care about these threads?

I guess they don't, or they might have done something to improve matters :/

 

[Slitzzz]

I love the lag! serious i do.... givf more plz ! I LOVE THE LAG!!1 come on say it with me, I fecking L O V E T H E L A G.. Fix it tbh

 

[CuddleBunny!]

I love the lag! serious i do.... givf more plz ! I LOVE THE LAG!!1 come on say it with me, I fecking L O V E T H E L A G.. Fix it tbh

why do you want it sorted if you love it so much?

 

[Corran]

And out of all you people whining, how many done routetrace to see where it going wrong?

Just to help you people whining without doing a simple test, all i can say is "Told you so" and i wasn't even playing Daoc at time

The lag you are getting is not coming from the servers or our network. Once again, it's problems in the general internet. If you want it to be sorted then get pingplotting and either send us the details or hassle your ISP with them.

Before I get the inevitable 'well I spoke to my ISP and they say there's no problems with my line' or 'I have 100MB internet and so it can't be a problem with my ISP' responses I'll clarify this. It's not a problem with your ISP. If you call your ISP and report lag they'll check the latency from your house to their servers and declare that everything is fine. The problem is the routing from your ISP to our network - which your ISP is also responsible for. If you contact your ISP you will have to explain this to them and most likely provide them with additional evidence in the form of pingplots.

There is a very limited amount that we can do about this problem. We can collect information and pass it on to whichever company is responsible for the router(s) causing the problem. Your ISP can also escalate consumer complaints and to be honest they are likely to have much more luck with that than we are.

And to explain it for all the "Omg meights but we in different countries, it cant be that

Your ISP isn't causing the lag. As you can see it's affecting people from all over Europe - except those connecting from France. Let me explain again how the internet works.

You don't connect directly to our servers. You have a route which will pass through many different hubs between your ISP's servers and our network. These routers are owned by a variety of very large companies. Generally speaking, if you're trying to reach a foreign network you'll connect to one of several international backbones which carry traffic between different countries, once you reach the international hub closest to the destination network, you'll then be routed through a series of smaller, local hubs until you reach our network. It's very likely that although the overall route will be different for people connecting from different countries or ISPs, the last few hops will be the same. If there's a problem with one of these last few hubs then people will experience lag/LDs etc even though they are connecting from very different places. People close to the server will connect through an entirely different route through local hubs and so won't be affected by the problems that foreign players are experiencing. For instance, I was playing last night with my personal characters and didn't experience any lag at all even though people in my guild were.

Routing is the responsibility of your ISP - even though they aren't directly responsible for the hubs that are causing problems. There are escalation agreements in place between backbone providers and ISPs so that ISPs can escalate reports of routing problems and expect to get them fixed fairly quickly. Service providers (like us) don't. We can report it to whoever is responsible, but they won't be obliged to do anything about it.

 

[Darzil]

DAoC UK servers are the biggest joke in mmorpg history, everyday theres lag & every month lately theres downtime... uber servers with an uber team behind em \o/

Every day theres lag ? Not on my connection. Sometimes there is. When there is, I try to trace it. It also affects all the Servers, not just UK ones.

Incidentally, was out with some friends who play WoW (and don't frequent Camelot, or these boards). Their 'biggest problem with WoW', was that the servers had horrible lag due to being hosted in France and going via OpenTransit.

Odd coincidence, eh ?

Darzil

 

[Brackus]

surely...
the lag isnt like this normally so the last 2 days uber lag spikes cant be because of server hardware but instead because of network traffic of sorts?

it the server had to cope with an extra 20000 players then you could understand that the server may be under load and slows down, but lag spikes dont just suddenly happen on a server that previously worked fine?

 

[Straef]

Aye, the 'bad' lag only started like three days ago, for me.

 

[Dorin]

unfortunatly not

especially since the german players playing on uk servers dont even get the free days if goa shut down the server for two weeks ... <3 ya goa

QQ

sorry, shouda type servers instead of playerS::

 

[Lupa]

ololo.liololollol not goa servers, corran?

last time we had those serious lag problems requiel said that the problem cant be in the goa network because they would find it rly fast.... after two weeks they found the problem in their own network and the thread with requiels comments vanished .... thx goa

 

[Darzil]

Hope you folks are all sending ping plots ?

I'm sure you are, and that there is some kind of email / rightnow holdup that has led to GOA only recieving 2 ?

Darzil

 

[Chimaira]

What is causing the problems with the Europeans getting this kinda lag to what? France?.

I mean I should in theory have a heavy latency to the USA servers or atleast a higher one.
How come Mythic VERY RARELY or quite frankly never suffers from this kind of latency/spike errors.

Im not a computer wiz regarding network setups and the such so I wont start to sound like I do and go omfg suxxor.

But the thing remains. Is it due to the servers being in France? Or what is actually causing this.
We been fighting with Opentransit problems during all the damn years on European servers. if it aint that its something else. Never GoA´s problem either.
If you CANT make sure we have but minimum downtime on servers due to your own or others fault. the servers are being held in the wrong place
Then its time to let mythic take over. Because me sitting in sweden playing on servers hosted on the Unites States I have no problems and i mean NO PROBS with the pings or crashing clients or getting asked to do pingplotters.
I have no interest to run extra programs to check why I cant play my game I pay my fee to play. If I go to a store and buy a big steak and I see its not up to date or perfectly good I will return and get a better one. I wont accept it basically(lame comparison but anyway)

Im not directing this flame to GOA really if they cant avoid this happening they cant. but then again its anyway them to blame because they dont have the chance to run a proper service due to errors.

Move the servers to US and have mythic handle the SUBs to. if its a EU sub its EU servers only and the such.

Rant off

 

[Corran]

What is causing the problems with the Europeans getting this kinda lag to what? France?.

I mean I should in theory have a heavy latency to the USA servers or atleast a higher one.
How come Mythic VERY RARELY or quite frankly never suffers from this kind of latency/spike errors.

Im not a computer wiz regarding network setups and the such so I wont start to sound like I do and go omfg suxxor.

But the thing remains. Is it due to the servers being in France? Or what is actually causing this.
We been fighting with Opentransit problems during all the damn years on European servers. if it aint that its something else. Never GoA´s problem either.
If you CANT make sure we have but minimum downtime on servers due to your own or others fault. the servers are being held in the wrong place
Then its time to let mythic take over. Because me sitting in sweden playing on servers hosted on the Unites States I have no problems and i mean NO PROBS with the pings or crashing clients or getting asked to do pingplotters.
I have no interest to run extra programs to check why I cant play my game I pay my fee to play. If I go to a store and buy a big steak and I see its not up to date or perfectly good I will return and get a better one. I wont accept it basically(lame comparison but anyway)

Im not directing this flame to GOA really if they cant avoid this happening they cant. but then again its anyway them to blame because they dont have the chance to run a proper service due to errors.

Move the servers to US and have mythic handle the SUBs to. if its a EU sub its EU servers only and the such.

Rant off

To try sum it up in simple terms.

PC>ISP>local routers etc > Country backbone>France backbone>local routers etc >GoA ISP>GoA servers.

Ok that it simplified to a high degree, may be few more hops in there. During each stage of the hop it passef through routers. If one these routers are failing to work properly you can suffer latency, packet loss etc AKA Lag in game.

The problem lies in the middle at the moment between your ISP and GoA. I not run a pingplotter but it most likely is part of the france backbone that foriegn players are put through at the moment (french users use just local ones for the hop as opposed to having to go through backbone first so no lag for them) and as such it not directly the responsibility of GoA or your ISP. It is the company that rents out said backbone. GoA with evidence (aka pingplotter) can prove that there problems and ask them nicely to fix it, your ISP with evidence can demand they fix it as they got contracts.

Just between the reports and the fixing it is the time where GoA provide a lack service and cant do anything about it. Sure they could move to a difference country but who is going to pay extra money to cover said costs of moving even if the company was willing?

Edit: Also let mythic run the servers? Iirc mythic wanted nothing to do with having european hosts at all and were basically happy to say "sod you all" in that respect till goa decided to host it. With contracts signed etc i cant see that they are willing to take it over, pay increased costs etc to deal with it all considering they didnt want it in first place.