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Self-important morons who demand that everyone else make sacrifices in the name of mother earth while they zoom around in private jets and lavish themselves in heated swimming pools are hypocrites.
But perhaps we should be grateful that their absurdities are causing the man-made global warming cult to lose whatever credibility it has left.
Some weeks ago, singer Sheryl Crow demanded that we all use one square of toilet paper per bathroom visit to help save the planet. Shortly after these ridiculous comments, theSmoking Gun website uncovered documents showing Crow's touring requirements, which include three tractor trailers, four buses and six cars...
Also at the British premiere of his movie Wild Hogs, actor John Travolta urged everyone to "do their bit" to fight global warming, warning that "We have to think about alternative methods of fuel."
Travolta's five private jets parked in his runway , has produced an estimated 800 tons of carbon emissions, 100 times more than the average person in the last year, is a "serving ambassador" for the Australian airline Qantas and named his son Jett as a tribute to his love of flying.

Al Gore is the messiah for the climate change fanatics, and his error-strewn "An Inconvenient Truth" DVD , has been dispatched to every British school on orders of the Blair government, so that kids may be brainwashed into accepting that man-made global warming is as much a reality as the surveillance cameras, metal detectors and biometric scanning for lunches that they have to endure as part of their "education."
Gore's 20 room private mansion uses 20 times the national U.S. average of gas and electricity, as Gore lavishes himself in his heated swimming pool while poor people and the middle class await the carbon taxes to eviscerate any disposable income they have left.

Last year Madonna flew as many as 100 technicians, dancers, backing singers, managers and family members on a 56-date world tour in private jets and commercial airliners. The singer's Confessions tour produced 440 tonnes of CO2 in four months of last year.

"Eco-friendly" bags have become the latest must-have fashion item.
In reality, the bags were made by slaves in China and transported thousands of miles by CO2 belching jet planes.
But let's not concern ourselves about that - as long as we can feel good about ourselves while wagging our finger in judgment at anyone who uses those dirty old plastic bags that's all that matters...

You should be very concerned when the leading proponents of the theory are all giant hypocrites.
People with common sense will see through the fact that a natural cycle of warming that occurs every few hundred years does not mean the end of the world.

Meanwhile, real environmental issues like genetically modified garbage poisoning our food supply, the disappearance of huge swathes of the bee populations across the world, deforestation and toxic waste dumping, all get buried while global warming monopolizes the attention of the phony environmental movement.
 

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So you're moaning about the "Man Made Global Warming" Being a hoax, then slagging people off for burning a lot of fuel.

Even if Global Warming isn't true what harm is it doing reducing our consumption? Oh noes, the air is cleaner and we are using less natural resources, well I feel like an evil bastard and gullable sheep already!

Another random ranting thread about nothing Joor, where do these "Facts" come from about how much co2 is produced by a tour? Your crack pot websites...I think so.
 

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You have some good facts from creditable sources critising the media / celebrity point of view.

Although the climate is not a case of 'common sense' and I think you've unfairly dissmissed creditable work done by climatoligists / scientists that has been blown out of proportion by the powers that be. The issue does however subtley bring renewable energy sources up the agenda which cannot be a bad thing.

edit- Forgot to mention even if you believe it is not a man made problem and completely natural there will still be diverse effects that need to addressed!

edit2- Yes I can see bee populations being a vastly more important issue and deforestation is encompassed by climate change anyway.
 

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Every single global warming thingy neglects to mention that 75% of earths pollution comes from housing, in other words, heat produced by people living.
 

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A documentary that was broadcast in the UK some months ago, completely trounced the man-made explanation for global warming, not with emotionally-laden propaganda, but by presenting carefully considered and rational science.channel4

The Great Global Warming Swindle brought together a group of scientists, professors, climatologists and weather experts to expose the myths about climate changes.

This is a few headlines from the program;
"- Earth's 4.5 billion year history is one long story of climate change. There were several periods in history, notably the Medieval Warm Period and the Holocene Maximum, which were much warmer than today. In the 17th century, Europe experienced the Little Ice Age, where temperatures were so consistently chilly that ice skaters revelled on the completely frozen London Thames."

"- From the 1940's until the 1980's, the Earth experienced a significant cooling period, despite the fact that industrial production and release of CO2 vastly accelerated during this time. This led to political and media scaremongering about global cooling, the threat that the earth was in the midst of a new ice age. The documentary featured telling clips from alarmist documentaries at the time that implored us to try and reverse the trend of worldwide temparature decrease or face meterological apocalypse."

"- The UN's much vaunted IPCC report was heralded as closing the case on the argument of man-made global warming. But as the show explains, the IPCC's conclusion was politically driven and they deliberately censored any dissenting scientists while still listing them as participants, leading many to threaten legal action against the IPCC to have their names removed from the report. Scientists who were invited to participate in the IPCC report expose the fundamental flaws contained throughout the document."
 

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To be honest - i never know what to believe with global warming. Too many sources claiming different things.
 

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A documentary that was broadcast in the UK some months ago, completely trounced the man-made explanation for global warming, not with emotionally-laden propaganda, but by presenting carefully considered and rational science.channel4

Well I remember from newsnight a few days after the representative of the global warming swindle was an expert on tropical diseases arguing against a well respected climatologist who has since recieved a knighthood, Brian Hoskins who has studied the subject most of his academic life I believe.

The show seemed to suggest the cause was due to solar forcing. Solar forcing has a very small radiative effect with a period of the cycle ~12 years which causes +/- 0.4 Wm-2 radiative forcing. Essentially the forcing from the sun does change but it is too small to have such an effect as seen with recent consistent increases in global mean temperatures.

The IPCC is subject to strong political stress and is very careful / conservative about the message it gives out. As with an internationl body it is highly constrained.

Also even if it is natural for example a change within the Earth lifecycle there are still the consquences they are associated with mean global warming.
 

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Joor can you please stop with the copy/paste from tin foil hat wearing loon weekly please?


Thanks
 

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Joor can you please stop with the copy/paste from tin foil hat wearing loon weekly please?


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What kind of an idiotic question is this? what do i care whether you are okay with anything. You either get it or you dont. I am not here to nurse you, or draw pictures. Read the material and absorb it, or cast it aside as rubbish. you are able to do that right?

well good, since nothing more is required.
 

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the thing is, they arent even your opinions on matters its just whichever wierdo theory you find on the net There are so many bullshit conspiracy theories around that if anything underhand did happen (which i am sure it must have at some point) then it would get drowned out by the mental people

Here is one for you

The government make up increasingly unbelievable stories for loons like you to spread about to hide what they are really doing!

*plays sinister organ music*
 

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Joor can you please stop with the copy/paste from tin foil hat wearing loon weekly please?


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well as he mentioned all he does is show you a side of the subject, to some its facts to others, like you, its haox - read it or dont but dont start that bullshit really, its not needed and to some this actully is quite interesting (myself, i believe in global warming but its still interesting to read what it possibly could be instead)
 

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I'm relatively undecided about global warming at the moment also. There's simply too many people saying completely different things for ANYONE to have reached a decision. To be honest, anyone who's "picked a side" at this stage is an idiot in my book, because they cannot possibly have all the facts, as they're not available yet.

That said, I'm leaning towards the "global warming is a hoax" side currently. If for no other reason than the fact that Travolta, Madonna, and Gamah all seem to be on the "omg stop breathing out you're causing global warming with your CO2 emissionz!" side.

Whatever the facts, you can rest assured that whatever side those three are on is bound to be the wrong one :D

(luv u gams xx)
 

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I'm relatively undecided about global warming at the moment also. There's simply too many people saying completely different things for ANYONE to have reached a decision. To be honest, anyone who's "picked a side" at this stage is an idiot in my book, because they cannot possibly have all the facts, as they're not available yet.

so, people who believe in physics/biology are idiots? there's never all the facts to prove biological and physic's situations...
 

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personally i think global warming is happening, i am still unsure about how much of an effect we are having on it though, its been getting hotter since the end of the ice age.
 

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Oh I missed Joor!

I kinda think its slightly pointless to try and lay blame on people and work out why is trying to swindle who (if anyone).

At the end of the day, the climate is changing, and I think it is in our best interests as a global community to try and curb our overconsumption to at least minimise our effects.

I think a bit of common sense needs applying - sure we probably don't need to wear hair shirts and beat ourselves up with sticks, but it doesn't hurt to live within our means.
 

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so, people who believe in physics/biology are idiots? there's never all the facts to prove biological and physic's situations...

Worst. Argument. Ever. :p

No-body "believes" in physics or biology, it's just something that IS. Likewise, climate change is something that IS. It's happening, and if your argument was based on assuming I denying climate change altogether, you're mistaken. Like I said, I'm on the fence.

The point I was trying to make is that currently there is no way to PROVE that climate change is caused by humans. And that anyone who has made up their mind already, cannot possibly have all the answers, so at best, they may have the right answer but only through guessing and therefore don't deserve any points for rational thought :p

I'll try and use your own (admittedly stupid) metaphor to expain. Using the physics example, drop the whole "believing in physics" example and instead focus on an aspect of physics, for example black holes. You hear about black holes a lot. They're taught in schools, but for all the world no-one can be 100% sure that they actually exist. In fact recently a theory as compelling as any i've seen for/against man-made global warming was put forward that case serious doubt ont he existence of black holes. Do you believe in black holes? It's possible you're wrong there too.
 

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Worst. Argument. Ever. :p

No-body "believes" in physics or biology, it's just something that IS. Likewise, climate change is something that IS. It's happening, and if your argument was based on assuming I denying climate change altogether, you're mistaken. Like I said, I'm on the fence.

The point I was trying to make is that currently there is no way to PROVE that climate change is caused by humans. And that anyone who has made up their mind already, cannot possibly have all the answers, so at best, they may have the right answer but only through guessing and therefore don't deserve any points for rational thought :p

I'll try and use your own (admittedly stupid) metaphor to expain. Using the physics example, drop the whole "believing in physics" example and instead focus on an aspect of physics, for example black holes. You hear about black holes a lot. They're taught in schools, but for all the world no-one can be 100% sure that they actually exist. In fact recently a theory as compelling as any i've seen for/against man-made global warming was put forward that case serious doubt ont he existence of black holes. Do you believe in black holes? It's possible you're wrong there too.
Black holes exist. It's a fact. They can be seen by the gravitational lens effect from objects behind them, and by the fast movement of objects near the black hole. There is however still debate on what they actually are, and how they come into being. But there is no doubt whatsoever on wether or not black holes actually exist.
 

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So you're moaning about the "Man Made Global Warming" Being a hoax, then slagging people off for burning a lot of fuel.

I think the point was more about the hypocrisy in Al gore's (and compatriots) comments not the argument about whether in fact global warming does exist.

I mean come on havent we had enough of these moral crusaders. Everyone from bono to teenage boy bands seems to have an opinion about everyone else now.
 

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Black holes exist. It's a fact. They can be seen by the gravitational lens effect from objects behind them, and by the fast movement of objects near the black hole. There is however still debate on what they actually are, and how they come into being. But there is no doubt whatsoever on wether or not black holes actually exist.

Do black holes really exist? - space - 18 June 2007 - New Scientist Space

That article suggests that black holes may not exist "as we know them". They may not be "black holes", but something entirely different.
 

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The only thing I'm certain about is uncertainty, and I'm not even certain about that.

I think the period of global warming is mainly part of a larger cycle, but humanity's activities have accelerated the process, and I'm not sure we can stop it.

The issue should be to think about what we can all do to live a little more in harmony with the world we live in rather than exploit it.
 

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At the end of the day, the climate is changing, and I think it is in our best interests as a global community to try and curb our overconsumption to at least minimise our effects.

Blame the Chinese :(
 

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Jool, you must be a bit more sceptic then that!

Look at it from two sides, and dont blame the big stars for this becaus of their jets etc. If global warming is true, the earth and mankind that lives there is to be blamed. Not Al Gore or Madonna, but everyone that lives on this planet! Im sure you are driving around in a car yourself so there you got it! Everyone is to be blamed! :(

I truly believe in global warming. Al Gore convinced me.
 

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Joor rides a home made rickshaw and grows his own food in the shed, cant give money to the evil capitalist pig dogs!
 

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I'm of the opinion that whether or not we are responsible for the world heating up, we are definately responsible for the quality of air we breathe. Pumping loads of carbons and other nasty gasses out into the air can't be good for us, surely! (Anyone remember the Acid Rain scare? :O).

Reducing our pollutants will improve our quality of life, either through air quality or reducing the rate of global warming. Either way, I think its a Win:Win situation!
 

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Interesting read Joor, as always mate. It is strange how hypociritcal the world is without even realising it.. some of the facts and figures there, especially for al gore.
 

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