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[tierk]

Just read this article about a 25 year old Spanish MAN!! (not kid) who has taken his parents to court because he wants more pocket money. If you read further down the article you can see he is not the first person to do this in Spain.

Spanish judge orders 25-yr old man to 'leave home and get a job' - Telegraph

So my question to Vasc, why aren't you at home leeching gold from your family?? and

Is this normal - forcing parents to pay pocket money in Spain when you are clearly old enough to work? Also aren't they entitled to get some sort of dole money when out of work in Spain at that age - when they are no longer considered children legally?

 

[old.Tohtori]

If i remember correctly, spanish are quite stay at home men. Whipped also because spanish women are used to being treated like princesses.

Might be wrong though, but who knows

 

[DaGaffer]

It seems to be a mediterranean thing; Italian men don't leave home until age 30 on average(!) and I remember when my folks lived in Cyprus they had loads of tales about the way adult offspring leached off their parents.

 

[Vasconcelos]

Just read this article about a 25 year old Spanish MAN!! (not kid) who has taken his parents to court because he wants more pocket money. If you read further down the article you can see he is not the first person to do this in Spain.

Spanish judge orders 25-yr old man to 'leave home and get a job' - Telegraph

So my question to Vasc, why aren't you at home leeching gold from your family?? and

Is this normal - forcing parents to pay pocket money in Spain when you are clearly old enough to work? Also aren't they entitled to get some sort of dole money when out of work in Spain at that age - when they are no longer considered children legally?

No.

It is not normal. Not by far.

But before asking your question, lemme explain some facts:

1. Mediterraneans countries (portugal, spain, italy, greece, south france, croatia, etc...) societies tend to be more focused around the family core. Remember the mafia families? Obviously this is an exageration, but it might give you an idea: the family bonds are very very tight.
This doesnt help when it comes to the decision of leaving the parents nest (or letting the kid fly solo). Specially in mid-low, low or very high class families (for different reasons).

2. The cost of the properties in Spain, and the cost of the rent. Totally out of proportion when you compare them with the salaries (tho its slowly going down to reasonable levels after the crisis). This doesnt need further explanation.

3. The high (highest in Europe) rate of youth unemplyoment (below 30 years old). Again, this explains itself.

4. Traditionaly, the spaniards youth have been more "inmature" than anglosaxons youths. Even in universities, the spaniards youths tend to spend more years studying than the rest of europeans.

5. The way the enterprises, entrepreneurs, and the market in general perceive the youths: cheap, expendable workforce. Sad, but true in many many cases.


And finally, as a mid-mid class youth, I've received a typical mid class education (half in spanish half in english), spend some summers in Ireland, made quite some travels with my parents, lived away from my home when studying (in Barcelona, so you might say abroad ), got my share of crap jobs in university to gain some money for my needings (travelling, partying, etc...), and had the luck of finding my first serious job in a decent place.

This gives you a different point of view, it came to a point that staying in my parents home was interferring with my social life, and having the meanings to leave the nest, there was no point in staying.
All my friends live away from their parents home, some with their gf / bf, some others in what I call "Erasmus place" and the ones that still live with their parents is either cuz their still studying or sadly, the crisis hit them so hard that they had to go back despite their regret.

Hope that clarified some

 

[old.Tohtori]

All i see is a lot of excuses for professional sponging

 

[Vasconcelos]

All i see is a lot of excuses for professional sponging

Ah well, dont look at me, not one of my problems anyways

 

[Ezteq]

tbh british 20ish year olds aren't much cop either, the number of people I meet in their early twenties who are just useless, never had a job, still live with parents no life experience other than what they read online or see in movies...these are actual real people I have met not some vague generalisation plucked from the air, it just staggers me because when I was 17 I had moved out and had my own flat and job etc, did not have any one to rely on let alone pay me pocket money lol.

Don't get me wrong, if I'd have the option I'd of loved to have stayed home and done the education thing while I was younger but that wasn't a choice, even so it's quite disturbing when you meet a guy and you hit it off only to realise they are a baby in disguise as an adult lol, it's quite revolting.

 

[Vasconcelos]

tbh british 20ish year olds aren't much cop either, the number of people I meet in their early twenties who are just useless, never had a job, still live with parents no life experience other than what they read online or see in movies...these are actual real people I have met not some vague generalisation plucked from the air, it just staggers me because when I was 17 I had moved out and had my own flat and job etc, did not have any one to rely on let alone pay me pocket money lol.

Don't get me wrong, if I'd have the option I'd of loved to have stayed home and done the education thing while I was younger but that wasn't a choice, even so it's quite disturbing when you meet a guy and you hit it off only to realise they are a baby in disguise as an adult lol, it's quite revolting.

Yeah, I visited almost all countries in western EU, and the general impression was quite the same: the grass isnt greener at the other side of the fence

 

[Ezteq]

...unless you're looking over my fence, in which case it's so damned green it makes dollers look anemic and Irish people homesick

 

[Helme]

tbh british 20ish year olds aren't much cop either, the number of people I meet in their early twenties who are just useless, never had a job, still live with parents no life experience other than what they read online or see in movies...these are actual real people I have met not some vague generalisation plucked from the air, it just staggers me because when I was 17 I had moved out and had my own flat and job etc, did not have any one to rely on let alone pay me pocket money lol.

Don't get me wrong, if I'd have the option I'd of loved to have stayed home and done the education thing while I was younger but that wasn't a choice, even so it's quite disturbing when you meet a guy and you hit it off only to realise they are a baby in disguise as an adult lol, it's quite revolting.

That's pretty much describing me, but it's not just possible to go out and "find a job" any more, believe me I've tried - up to over 400 applications sent now, but I'm always last in the pile when it comes to merits and will continue to be so until I beat the fairly long odds.

For the record, unemployment in my age group in Sweden is 30%, compared to the 8.2% overall rate. I doubt all of us are doing it because we enjoy living at home.

 

[Aada]

tbh british 20ish year olds aren't much cop either, the number of people I meet in their early twenties who are just useless, never had a job, still live with parents no life experience other than what they read online or see in movies...these are actual real people I have met not some vague generalisation plucked from the air, it just staggers me because when I was 17 I had moved out and had my own flat and job etc, did not have any one to rely on let alone pay me pocket money lol.

Don't get me wrong, if I'd have the option I'd of loved to have stayed home and done the education thing while I was younger but that wasn't a choice, even so it's quite disturbing when you meet a guy and you hit it off only to realise they are a baby in disguise as an adult lol, it's quite revolting.

Ezteq, Britain is quite different now for a 18-20 something trying to find a job especially for those who are probably pressured by their parents to leave school at 16 and get a job asap only to find it doesn't quite work like that anymore when they were just entering the work thing themselves back in the 80's.

Unfortunatly it's a downward spiral from there tbh and it's quite sad.

On the other hand you have those poor bastards that are born into lazy families who do nothing but sponge off the state and are brought up not to work and never to see their parents go out to work in the morning.

Then there are those that just don't want to work plain and simple.

 

[tierk]

I used to get so much stick from all my work colleagues when i was in London because i lived at my family house.

I suppose it didn't help that my mum used to make the most amazing packed breakfast's and lunch's but on the flip side i always used to pay rent and stopped sponging money from my parents from a fairly young age - about 17.

The ones that used to give me the most stick though where pretty much all the "white Brits" who all seemed to move out as soon as possible. Most of the people i know /knew that were like me of foreign descent seemed to be like me in that they lived at home with parents until much older.

I finally moved out of the family house in London when i moved to Qatar (34 years old) though whenever i go back i stay at home.

As i said earlier though i never sponged off my parents, once i could work. Though i can honestly say i never really had a serious job per say as i tended to work whenever i needed money for anything, which is very easy to do in London.

 

[Everz]

Ezteq, Britain is quite different now for a 18-20 something trying to find a job especially for those who are probably pressured by their parents to leave school at 16 and get a job asap only to find it doesn't quite work like that anymore when they were just entering the work thing themselves back in the 80's.

Unfortunatly it's a downward spiral from there tbh and it's quite sad.

On the other hand you have those poor bastards that are born into lazy families who do nothing but sponge off the state and are brought up not to work and never to see their parents go out to work in the morning.

Then there are those that just don't want to work plain and simple.

There is no real opportunities for youth, if I had a penny for the amount of times I dont get a job because I 'don't have enough experience', I wouldn't need to work.

It's a joke.

 

[mooSe_]

I don't have a job but I need one. I'm not looking very hard atm because looking for a job is depressing. Hopefully one of the recruitment agencies will find me some temp work or something :s

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Surprised people have tried to rationalise what is essentially a LAZY BUNCH OF *****. They always have been, always will be.

These are people that think a sleep is NECESSARY in the middle of the day, can you really be that surprised?

 

[Dudley52]

I was quite suprised when I applied for my first job. I was 18 and had just completed my A-levels. Applied to work in a restaurant, got the job immediately, worked there for 1.5years. I'm nearly 22 now so its not long ago. I wanted to be a chef and after I had worked there for around a year they offered training/qualifications. I however changed my mind about that career and left a few months later. Don't regret any of it though, it boosted my confidence and social skills (and also learnt how to cook a few dishes )

Maybe people are being too picky with jobs?

 

[cHodAX]

There is no real opportunities for youth, if I had a penny for the amount of times I dont get a job because I 'don't have enough experience', I wouldn't need to work.

It's a joke.

It is brutal for all ages but especially the under 21's and over 50's. No fucker wants them when they can have a 25yr old Pole who will working like a donkey and quite happily take minimum wage. The same cannot be said for most of our under-21 who will happily take the wage but won't put the same effort in. Don't believe me? Goto any McDonalds and watch them work, the attitude is generally shit because they don't want to be there and so they work like they don't want to be there, the exception are the students who generally work pretty hard as they need a work ethic to get through education successfully anyway.

 

[Edmond]

Left school at 16 and started working 2 weeks later, (not clever enough to go to college), saved every penny i could from day 1 of working. Left home at 21 and bought my own house (mortgaged).

Stayed with the same company for 23 years and was running half the company. Left there 4 years ago to go it alone. Its working so far, but i have worked my arse off all my working life and still do.

There is work out there and a wage to be earned, but most people dont want to get their hands dirty and are always looking for the next big thing, they move from job to job cos 'the grass is always greener' and they will always be the gofer because of it.

rant over, flame away :kissit:

 

[Deebs]

It seems to be a mediterranean thing; Italian men don't leave home until age 30 on average(!) and I remember when my folks lived in Cyprus they had loads of tales about the way adult offspring leached off their parents.

I left home when I reached 18....

 

[Edmond]

I left home when I reached 18....

Well you had to, your dad changed the locks

 

[Deebs]

Left school at 16 and started working 2 weeks later, (not clever enough to go to college), saved every penny i could from day 1 of working. Left home at 21 and bought my own house (mortgaged).

Stayed with the same company for 23 years and was running half the company. Left there 4 years ago to go it alone. Its working so far, but i have worked my arse off all my working life and still do.

There is work out there and a wage to be earned, but most people dont want to get their hands dirty and are always looking for the next big thing, they move from job to job cos 'the grass is always greener' and they will always be the gofer because of it.

rant over, flame away :kissit:

Talking of which, you got a free evening this coming 4 day break for food and beer in Farnham?

 

[Edmond]

Yep...!!!!!!

 

[Helme]

I'd really like to see all of you try do the same thing now, that is to say start out with zero experience. You'd get fucking nowhere, trust me. I have no standards at all, I apply to every single job I qualify for within a 2 hour commute distance, and I hear back from maybe 5-10% of them - and I hear they've gone with someone else, someone with more experience. More experience manning the cashier at the supermarket, or cleaning toilets. This is just the ones I hear back from, other's don't even bother with an automated reply. It's a god damn fucking miracle I'm not clinically depressed at this point.

The walk out with no education, and get a job within a week thing is history. My dad kept telling me the same thing, it's easy, just get a job. That was, until he lost his after 30 years. He thankfully managed to get another job, after half a year of calling in favours with people he'd met during his previous years of work. I don't have that luxury.

 

[Deebs]

Yep...!!!!!!

Right I will chat with the fat one to work out a night. Should be Friday or Saturday

No driving for you, promise, beer and food (in the reverse order).....

 

[throdgrain]

Farnham?? Come and visit me in Bramley you fuckers, I'm working most of the weekend

 

[Edmond]

No you scare me, you have a big gun !!!!!

 

[bainteor]

I feel for some of the youth. I know a lad of 20, he tries to find work but there is nothing going and looks destined to live with his dad until he passes on. He was doing very well at school until his father had a breakdown and almost died - his mother had MS so living with her was hard too.

People love to give them a hard time, and I know a lot are worthless, but there are some people out there who just aren't as lucky as some of us - my heart goes out to them.

 

[Aoami]

Cant get shit jobs because im over qualified, cant get good jobs because i don't have enough experience despite having been in work since i was 16.

 

[Mey]

I started working at 16, have been with the same company since. I went to college and university (transfered the job where ever I went - the joys of working saturdays any fucker will take you!) when I graduated, told them they would have me for atleast a year. Been about a year now and have so far had two promoitions.

Earning just under 25k a year now (which for a graduate is fair decent) plan to get another two promotions within the year.

The problem with people leaving uni at the moment is a.) most of them have done fuck all with their lives. No voluntary work, no unpaid jobs etc.. and b.) most of them think they are better than they are. I see it with the graduate trainee mangement guys in the company i work for. 90% of them havce no life experince or any idea how to treat customers and the work, but are just riding on their degrees makes me laugh that in a year and abit time i'll be high grade than them on my own back!

Start at the bottom work you arse off and get promoted that what I say.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Cant get shit jobs because im over qualified, cant get good jobs because i don't have enough experience despite having been in work since i was 16.

You should just go out and GET a job, it's not like they're not out there, you're just lazy leeching f*cktard, i can get one by walking out the door and other such bullsh*t people have told me in this situation