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Madeleine

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i have 563 af as sb , 63x as skald with chain , anyone can explain that as long as i am buffed ,i know from experience infil have 640ish with leather , works like that on the rest of alb class's a question / plate weilder with buffs could answer?

merci ^^
 
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froler-mid

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dunno if i got the question right, but yes, clerics have a af-spec buff, best one gives me about 100af


edit:i got 661af with 99% armor :D
 
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old.LandShark

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770 AF with top buff and mostly MP armour :>
(chain)
 
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Madeleine

Guest
ok got the point i have full mp and 563 af , its about the specline buff so ,tu :)
 
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Garnet

Guest
Do AF have a cap limit?

I have around 630 AF in chain AF 102 without AF buff but when I put the buff on it gives me a extra 10 even though the value on the buff is 40 - 50. Capped?
 
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old.LandShark

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I don't know - I've certainly noticed the red AF buff over the yellow one gives me extremely little improvement.... from 763 to 770 I think, off the top of my head.
Perhaps a hard cap based on your armour ability and level...? I.e. plate always caps at a certain AF maximum, regardless of how you get it to that AF, and so on...
 
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Tigerius

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Originally it was said that the baseline AF buff could only boost your AF to max possible from your armor ((AFxqua+abs)x6?), but I've come to believe this is the mere displayed cap and that the extra benefit of a baseline AF buff will still take effect. Not done any personal testing on this though.

Only 737 displayed on Cler in spite of MP & 2nd spec AF ;/
 
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Madeleine

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Originally posted by Tigerius

Only 737 displayed on Cler in spite of MP & 2nd spec AF ;/

gotta be kiddin me with the only :p
 
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Arnor

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af buff doesnt show on me i think, full mp set, shows 606 af afaik.
 
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Kagato.

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I have 670 with no buffs and usually around 730+ with Spec line buff, However if the cleric then puts baseline buff on nothing changes at all, regardless of spec line buff or not.

Wether theres any undisplayed benefits of the buff I don't know, but it would sure be nice to get an official statement on it, or some tests.
 
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ravenslore

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i have 606 unbuffed and with buffs i have erm 606 so nerf albs :)
 
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skyrie

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Fully buffed VW - 500. Nice with a tank whose AF buff doesnt stack with the castable one xD
 
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lofff

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yus my minstrel has more af unbuffed than my champ/bard buffed ;|
 
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Ensceptifica

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Originally posted by Tigerius
Originally it was said that the baseline AF buff could only boost your AF to max possible from your armor ((AFxqua+abs)x6?), but I've come to believe this is the mere displayed cap and that the extra benefit of a baseline AF buff will still take effect. Not done any personal testing on this though.

Only 737 displayed on Cler in spite of MP & 2nd spec AF ;/

Seems there's a bug that's capping the displayed AF on wardens to 635... it's rumored that it's not just a display bug though, and that in fact any AF above the displayed cap is negated. Wouldn't make sense if this was a warden-only bug. (source: I think Inecux knows :p )
 
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Spix

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606 af on studded, capped at rr5+ with any AF buff I have tried.
58x something below rr5 I think it was.

Hunter self AF buff = useless with Epic armour or better. Hits cap with epic+ anyway.
 
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Pin

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From 1.52 notes:

- All "clerical" (i.e. Healer, Shaman, Druid, Bard, Warden, Friar, Paladin, Hunters, Rangers and Cleric) baseline armor factor buffs are now assessed "outside the cap". In situations where you were at your armor factor cap, and had one of these buffs on you, you would have gotten no additional armor factor, but now with this change, you will. There is currently a display problem where this additional armor factor is not being displayed, but it is being assessed.

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And it is still the case that your display does not include base AF buffs above the cap - and the cap is exactly what you get from wearing 100%qua armour of your level (or double this amount for cloth wearers)... afaik, it has indeed been tested and shown that the baseline AF buffs are having an effect... However, I believe Paladins are the only ones whose baseline self AF buff actually correctly updates the display (though someone might correct me on this).



So, how much AF do you have? Well, if you are fully clothed you have 10*level*[absorb factor]*[quality] (assume all the armour is the same quality, or this gets messy due to factoring in the amount each armour piece covers, etc).


So, if you are a level 50 paladin in full MP plate, you have 10*50*1.35*1 = 675af before buffs.

The top pally self-shield delves at 56af. This will increase the pally's af by 56*1.25*1.35 = 94.5af. (The 1.25 factor is there on all spec spells, af included).

The top pally group af chant delves at 127af. This will increase the pally's af by 127*1.25*1.35 = 214.3af.

So, in MP plate, the level 50 pally should have 983.8af.

If he gets RR5, he is effectively level 51 in the above calc, so has 688.5af before buffs, giving a grand total of 997.3af.


Now, a Paladin can buy Mastery of the Arcane (if he should want to), and this effects AF buffs correctly, so with MotA3 for example, he could get to 1025.1AF... or 1043.6AF with MotA5 :p


Then there is Soldier's Barricade, which I believe delves for ~200af (not exactly sure because I haven't seen it as no-one buys it), so he could see higher still (SB overwrites the spec pally chant, replacing it, so doesn't just stack on top)... (So raises AF on a plate-wearer by ~200*1.25*1.35).


So, generally, the top pally group AF chant will reduce damage taken by ~24%, whereas Soldier's Barricade would reduce damage taken by ~33% - which is not much of an improvement for a 10point active RA on a 30 minute timer.


Note: The 'diminishing returns' on AF are due to armour factor being a divisor in the damage equation, so the results are inherently non-linear. e.g. the difference between 1/10 and 1/20 is much bigger than the difference between 1/100 and 1/110...

Note: The delve values above are just what the game reports, and could be rounded off slightly, so exact numbers may be slightly off.

Note: If you are wearing cloth, your buffless AF caps at 5*level*[quality] (there used to be bugs where it capped at 10*...).
 
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samildanachh

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Originally posted by Pin
From 1.52 notes:

- All "clerical" (i.e. Healer, Shaman, Druid, Bard, Warden, Friar, Paladin, Hunters, Rangers and Cleric) baseline armor factor buffs are now assessed "outside the cap". In situations where you were at your armor factor cap, and had one of these buffs on you, you would have gotten no additional armor factor, but now with this change, you will. There is currently a display problem where this additional armor factor is not being displayed, but it is being assessed.

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And it is still the case that your display does not include base AF buffs above the cap - and the cap is exactly what you get from wearing 100%qua armour of your level (or double this amount for cloth wearers)... afaik, it has indeed been tested and shown that the baseline AF buffs are having an effect... However, I believe Paladins are the only ones whose baseline self AF buff actually correctly updates the display (though someone might correct me on this).



So, how much AF do you have? Well, if you are fully clothed you have 10*level*[absorb factor]*[quality] (assume all the armour is the same quality, or this gets messy due to factoring in the amount each armour piece covers, etc).


So, if you are a level 50 paladin in full MP plate, you have 10*50*1.35*1 = 675af before buffs.

The top pally self-shield delves at 56af. This will increase the pally's af by 56*1.25*1.35 = 94.5af. (The 1.25 factor is there on all spec spells, af included).

The top pally group af chant delves at 127af. This will increase the pally's af by 127*1.25*1.35 = 214.3af.

So, in MP plate, the level 50 pally should have 983.8af.

If he gets RR5, he is effectively level 51 in the above calc, so has 688.5af before buffs, giving a grand total of 997.3af.


Now, a Paladin can buy Mastery of the Arcane (if he should want to), and this effects AF buffs correctly, so with MotA3 for example, he could get to 1025.1AF... or 1043.6AF with MotA5 :p


Then there is Soldier's Barricade, which I believe delves for ~200af (not exactly sure because I haven't seen it as no-one buys it), so he could see higher still (SB overwrites the spec pally chant, replacing it, so doesn't just stack on top)... (So raises AF on a plate-wearer by ~200*1.25*1.35).


So, generally, the top pally group AF chant will reduce damage taken by ~24%, whereas Soldier's Barricade would reduce damage taken by ~33% - which is not much of an improvement for a 10point active RA on a 30 minute timer.


Note: The 'diminishing returns' on AF are due to armour factor being a divisor in the damage equation, so the results are inherently non-linear. e.g. the difference between 1/10 and 1/20 is much bigger than the difference between 1/100 and 1/110...

Note: The delve values above are just what the game reports, and could be rounded off slightly, so exact numbers may be slightly off.

Note: If you are wearing cloth, your buffless AF caps at 5*level*[quality] (there used to be bugs where it capped at 10*...).


how do you know all this stuff :D
 
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-Freezingwiz-

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Originally posted by Pin
Now, a Paladin can buy Mastery of the Arcane (if he should want to), and this effects AF buffs correctly, so with MotA3 for example, he could get to 1025.1AF... or 1043.6AF with MotA5 :p

Give Casters that AF ;P
 
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Pin

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Originally posted by samildanachh
how do you know all this stuff :D


mostly I make it all up and laugh at the fools on these boards who believe whatever I say :p
 
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Elric IA

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Pin seems right. I know that at below RR5 in epic my cap AF was 635 displayed (scale is 27% absorb). Now at RR6 it is 647 (647.7 so should be rounded up to 648 :(). The only change in display i see is that with an AF buff my AF goes up to my RR5 cap but no higher. Perhaps one day they sort out this display issue.

Nice information though
 
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sorusi

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seems like you cap AF w/o baseline AF buff if you have Masterpiece armor and RR5+.

i got 606 af and with af buff still 606 o_O

soo many things in daoc that i cant understand why they coded it that way :p
 
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Pin

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Originally posted by sorusi
seems like you cap AF w/o baseline AF buff if you have Masterpiece armor and RR5+.

i got 606 af and with af buff still 606 o_O

soo many things in daoc that i cant understand why they coded it that way :p

read my post, mrs. troll. :p
 

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