Help Furs..

[old.user4556]

My mum spent quite a lot of time in her younger days petitioning against fur and the methods used to obtain it, and I saw some pretty horrific film footage of how its done. For example, for the fur to useful, it HAS to come off in one piece and be completely unblemished....therefore handling said animal to dispose of it humanely doesn't seem to be an option. In a lot of the smaller animal farms (rabbit, mink etc) they put the animals into an airtight container and pump just enough gas in to make them go sleepy and limp....but gas is expensive so they won't use enough to kill them. Once sleepy and limp, animal is dragged out of box, SKINNED ALIVE (2 nicks into skin over hind feet, and the skin is pulled off like a glove) then animal dumped unceremoniously onto floor/bin. It comes to a few minutes later where its left to die over hrs or sometimes days with hundreds of other skinless bloody animals, that either die of shock, blood loss or infection.

I shit you not.

I know you're not saying this, but would it be more acceptable if we gave them a hug and kiss before skinning them?

 

[rynnor]

Did you leave your IQ behind in 2011?

I said the hood is trimmed in real fur.

Oh the Canada Goose bit threw me - I didnt realise it was a company name.

They use Coyote fur I see.

 

[Scouse]

I know you're not saying this, but would it be more acceptable if we gave them a hug and kiss before skinning them?

To be fair G. The case against real fur was won ages ago. It is pretty barbaric the way it's done and there ain't enough to go around.

 

[Gumbo]

I'm moving house soon to a place with a big garden and a meadow/paddock/wasteland thing which we have to look after too. There's a load of Rabbit warrens at the bottom of it and I'm looking forward to shooting a few for eating. Rabbit meat is tasty, lean and very healthy, also if I don't thin them down we won't be able to grow our own veggies which we like to do.

So. What if I were to keep the skins which otherwise will just get chucked and make use of them?

What's the moral stance there? The rest of the animal will be used, apart from the guts.

 

[rynnor]

So. What if I were to keep the skins which otherwise will just get chucked and make use of them?

What's the moral stance there? The rest of the animal will be used, apart from the guts.

Sounds fine - just make sure you scrape off the layer of fat from the inside of the skin or they will go rancid and stink.

 

[Gumbo]

I've just been googling how to do it, I've always just binned/burned the hides in the past. It looks like a fairly straightforward process. Maybe I could send the hides to Damini for Fuggler creation

 

[Raven]

get yourself a skinning knife and a scraper and it shouldn't be a problem...I am not even sure you need a skinning knife on a rabbit tbh. It should come off pretty easily.

 

[Gumbo]

It does, I just use an Opinel, always have. I've done a few thousand in my life.

 

[Bahumat]

Eat it?

 

[Wazzerphuk]

I don't want to fuel a new industry, my point is, if the animal was hunted specifically for it's fur and is already dead, why waste that fur?

(really want a bearskin rub or a wolf skin cloak)

Why hunt animals for fur only? Why not use anything else of the animal? I'm fine with fur as a by-product, such as leather is with cows. Don't see the need at all to hunt animals just for furs/pelts - it's an absolute waste, it's expensive, and it endangers animals. The fur industry isn't quite the same in treating animals with sustainable thoughts in mind like the food industry is (or should be better at) - in fact they quite like rare breeds since it pushes up prices and margins.

 

[mycenae]

don't get me wrong...'whole animal usage' I'm totally behind. By all means thin the bunny population, eat the meat and use the skin....best way to do it, plus you can have rabbit skin gloves and slippers....!

Its the farming purely for fur, often of endangered species thats wrong. If the animal is already dead, be it by roadkill or for consumption or to cull the population like in rabbits and deer, I think the hide/fur SHOULD be used...pays respect to the creature it came from.

 

[Punishment]

 

[Punishment]

Sounds like something PETA would say. Skinned alive?

Surely they'd wriggle too much? It'd be a lot easer to stab 'em in the brain first...

Do not watch if squeamish

 

[Lamp]

apparently, animal fur is the ultimate toilet paper....

 

[rynnor]

Its the farming purely for fur, often of endangered species thats wrong. If the animal is already dead, be it by roadkill or for consumption or to cull the population like in rabbits and deer, I think the hide/fur SHOULD be used...pays respect to the creature it came from.

Plus rabbits are not native to the UK - we only had native hares - bunnies were introduced as livestock.

 

[Gumbo]

apparently, animal fur is the ultimate toilet paper....

There's my dragons den moment then!

I can't wait to get Deborah trying it out

 

[old.user4556]

There's videos of animal cruelty all over the web, not specific to the fur trade.

In Canada, fur farms are very tightly regulated.

What do you expect from China though, they treat human beings like shit so I'd expect animals to be even more poorly treated.

 

[Gumbo]

Yeah that's not really indicative of all the fur trade being arseholes, although I'm sure some are.

 

[Ch3tan]

Why hunt animals for fur only? Why not use anything else of the animal? I'm fine with fur as a by-product, such as leather is with cows. Don't see the need at all to hunt animals just for furs/pelts - it's an absolute waste, it's expensive, and it endangers animals. The fur industry isn't quite the same in treating animals with sustainable thoughts in mind like the food industry is (or should be better at) - in fact they quite like rare breeds since it pushes up prices and margins.

You are misunderstanding me, I said if it was hunted for its fur, as in old fur. I agree with you that all of an animal should be used if it's going to be killed.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Ah k then.