Frustrated? 9 out of 10 albs are...

[Jjuraa]

yeah if you feel that you albs are losing because you lack the classes, then you havnt played a reaver, a theugist, a wizard, a sorce or a scout.

i would say the reason because you albs die even when you have the greater number is because you lack the skill. skill you get by playing the game fair and square. as in 8 vs 8 fights, and since there is like 1 or 2? FGs in albion that is playing the game after that concept you have alot of players who never try this fg vs fg thing and therefore you have people with less skill, and less skill means more chance of losing.

if you havnt already been made aware by the other peoples replys to that pile of junk you seem to want to call a post: the sheer bloody-minded arrogance youre showing here is off the chart.. but this seems to be Legacys main goal nowadays.

You've never played even played alb? so how the fuck can you even consider saying the entire realm "lacks skill"? or maybe you have played alb? in which case youve rerolled hib for some reason.. you must like the scenery, right?

I've been an alb since euro beta, and ive also played hib. Making 10krp in 15 minutes as a solo, unbuffed eldritch at a keep take simply by stunning lone casters and nuking them to bits with them having no chance of escape, or to even fight back was more than enough to convince me that i had an insane advantage as a hib. Hell yes it was fun, hell yes i kept doing it. but fuck me i never for a second thought "these albs are skillless, im so much better than them".

when you can see past the cum covering your screen from wanking over dead albs, come back and try say something that wont be shoved straight back up whence it came.

 

[Killerbee]

there is a reason alb find it hard to roll balenced groups and one reason only

they all roll fucking scouts

blame yourselves

Actually if Mythic didnt make bd's so fukin op in grp RvR as well with bl line and twf, you could blame yourselves, cause you rolled a fotm shit as well . Before you begin to yell: ololol, its not op, just check excal boards about Groove grp with bd.

-->Freia
The thread starter whined about keep take/defending, not 8 vs 8 I think and would be kinda stupid to pretend hibs have crap abilities/classes in those. I have only a lvl 4x hib char, but we easily could defend a keep, even against superior numbers (till 8+ whorelock arrives, then they insta pwn all defenders who dared to go out to the battlement ).

 

[Tafaya Anathas]

Making 10krp in 15 minutes as a solo, unbuffed eldritch at a keep take simply by stunning lone casters and nuking them to bits with them having no chance of escape, or to even fight back was more than enough to convince me that i had an insane advantage as a hib

This is what hibs call skill... But hey, we have clerics with baseline stun, so why the feck they all aren't spec to smite and stun nuke nuke nuke? Such unskilled albs, pffff

 

[Brite]

Actually if Mythic didnt make bd's so fukin op in grp RvR as well with bl line and twf, you could blame yourselves, cause you rolled a fotm shit as well . Before you begin to yell: ololol, its not op, just check excal boards about Groove grp with bd.

-->Freia
The thread starter whined about keep take/defending, not 8 vs 8 I think and would be kinda stupid to pretend hibs have crap abilities/classes in those. I have only a lvl 4x hib char, but we easily could defend a keep, even against superior numbers (till 8+ whorelock arrives, then they insta pwn all defenders who dared to go out to the battlement ).

so by rolling a groupable charecter, which is nothing like a rp leeching adding tower camping peice of shit scout, im causing a problem?

and so by rolling my bd as my first charecters because i had skeleton pets in another game i played and i thought it would be fun to play a charecter with skeleton pets again, im fotm?

and i am looking forward to farming people who dont know how to play there charecters on excal, will be nice to finally ding rr10 after all this time

 

[Tafaya Anathas]

and i am looking forward to farming people who dont know how to play there charecters on excal, will be nice to finally ding rr10 after all this time

Any retard can hit rr10

'nuff said

 

[Brite]

'nuff said

your account runs out in 3 days ? please stop posting when you quit aswell

bye

 

[Killerbee]

so by rolling a groupable charecter, which is nothing like a rp leeching adding tower camping peice of shit scout, im causing a problem?

and so by rolling my bd as my first charecters because i had skeleton pets in another game i played and i thought it would be fun to play a charecter with skeleton pets again, im fotm?

and i am looking forward to farming people who dont know how to play there charecters on excal, will be nice to finally ding rr10 after all this time

Actually thats bs. All bd whined before ToA they are how not grpfriendly. Tho the skeleton pet excuse is unique And farming ppl who dont know their character (ie clueless), well, maybe you know your char but not other char abilities, so same category. Hi there minstrels!

 

[Huntingtons]

What Wisty said sums it up nicely, I think it's a bit harder for Albion to build groups with good utility. Minstrels and Clerics do not look that good on paper compared to Bards/Druids and Skalds/Healers. Sorc wears Cloth and defo needs BG or a good group will insta kill it with a Caster on assist and 2 charge classes and the Cleric has not enough CC-utility in comparison.

If the planned Determination changes go live it will be very hard to group the badly needed Cabalists / Theurgists for utility.

Alb RvR is fun, but from the point of the class abilities I always assumed that Albion was weakest, even before going to Albion and playing mainly Midgard/Hibernia before.

But maybe we can hear from our friends in Hibernia and Midgard how to build the ultimate Albion group .

On the tower situations, I think Albion can compete once inside the lord room, need some Divine Intervention on Clerics, Banelords and especially Reavers and monster rezz on Heretics. Evita's group recent record was instakilling 28 Mids with one Reaver bomb, three Banelord bombs and one Ichor 2. I often face Albion groups without Clerics trying to get on the roof or soloers, this is just suicidal...

Getting into a lord room is a bit hard with all this base line stunning and shrooming, but oh well...

hehe yes, clerics lack cc because they are main cc'er - they got more cc than druids :'(
but an alb set grp is just as good as a hib set grp if they pick the right chars.
suport + 2 bl tanks and a theurg and they got 2 nukers, 2 melee, 2 bg 2 healers.

 

[Belomar]

i would say the reason because you albs die even when you have the greater number is because you lack the skill.

Typical response of a retarded mind. No, you unbelievable dimwit, Alb players are not less skilled than the other realms, the demographical makeup of all realms is the same. Just because you clicked the tree instead of the cup when starting the game does not make you any more "skilled".

Btw, Crookshanks, you finish a <tag> with and ending </tag>.

 

[Brite]

Actually thats bs. All bd whined before ToA they are how not grpfriendly. Tho the skeleton pet excuse is unique And farming ppl who dont know their character (ie clueless), well, maybe you know your char but not other char abilities, so same category. Hi there minstrels!

Dont think ive ever whined about my class although im sure someone will correct me on that I've always adapted to what RvR has thrown at me, unbuffed til rr6 solo, and still mainly solo now, got a hell of a lot of my rps upto rr4/5 in df and expers, and oh yeh jamiesmalicus's groups in hw/odins :worthy: I do know probabaly almost everything about a bd, have been almost every variantion of spec and have RA respeced about 15 times in NF as i was away when you could test RAs for free. But just assuming i know nothing about any other class beacuse i concentrate my time on a class which aparently takes no skill whatso ever, people who assume this pobabaly dont know much about other classes themselves.

A bonedancer has many tools, but they can be wasted in the wrong hands, a bonedancer must know when the lock down the support and which support to lock down and interupt, or when to conentrate damage on a target, blow power and the target isnt dead and your going to be waiting on timers for power. When to make use of BG or when to run and ae interupt and debuff or root/tendrils tanks off support. when to TWF and juggernaught when it will give maximum effect, quite a lot more to think about than your average damage dealer, but all beacuse we have an insta on a 4 second timer that makes anyone that plays the class brainless. I know its not the hardest class to play well, but its not the easiest to do well with, i think a lot of the hate comes from that trolls can do quite average with just spamming lifetap at anything and everything and this annoys me aswell, but thankfully most of the fotm bds come and go, tbh the only bd that has stuck with the class apart from me is skarbonefist.

I also do also read up on class abilitys when rvr has bored me and have played, or with almost all classes and know quite a lot about most specs and ras so again you just assuming as i concenrate on one charecter i know nothing about others. I'm not pretending i know all and everything beacuse i dont and probabaly never will but i do make the effort to know about what im fighting against as well as with.

I dont like to lose, i have enough of that on saturdays at 3pm, i want my charecter to be near perfect and to give myself the best possible chance of coming out ontop, which is why i always fully buff my pets, wont rvr without the best gear or the perfect ml/ra setup, the groups i join/make have to be good or else it just wont be fun, which i suppose is why i end up solo all the time, if you want somthing doing do it yourself, good job i found a way to solo artis before the ml9 pets came ;P

god i do talk a lot of crap dont i ;/

 

[Tafaya Anathas]

your account runs out in 3 days ? please stop posting when you quit aswell

bye

The magic word is will, that I forgot Oh and when I first met your name the others from AoD said you are a nice guy. So I think maybe not the retards start playing a bd but playing a bd makes someone retard...

 

[Vermillon]

Wizzies have the highest delve spec nuke? How are they being out damaged by other realms casters?.. Same equipment, RR, RA's, relics, and debuffed for, wizz will hit harder.

Its something that involves resists and debuffs availability... but is a long story to explain you.

 

[Brite]

The magic word is will, that I forgot Oh and when I first met your name the others from AoD said you are a nice guy. So I think maybe not the retards start playing a bd but playing a bd makes someone retard...

and you base me being a retard on opinions about a game on a forum and how i react when flamed and given abuse, ok......

really shouldnt bother with these forums anymore, please ban me ;/

 

[Elendar]

hibs are op in keeps, then again theurgs have been op for door bashing
but are keeps really the point of the game? if they are for you, then everquest is beckoning
pissed around on excal on my pre si sced theurg yesterday, happened to bump into a smite cleric (in a keep seige) with his stun we wreaked much havoc

and evita, you get stun, so try stunning for your casters one day

 

[Graendel]

Wizzies have the highest delve spec nuke? How are they being out damaged by other realms casters?.. Same equipment, RR, RA's, relics, and debuffed for, wizz will hit harder.

Let's see...my wizard..

- I can't debuff my own heat damage.
- I don't have a pet, stun, mezz or instas.
- I don't have anything but damage-augmenting RAs i.e. no ST, no TWF.

Unless utility drops out of the sky and lands on my head, I'm retiring her. Thanks Mythic for wasting my time.

 

[Killerbee]

hibs are op in keeps, then again theurgs have been op for door bashing
but are keeps really the point of the game? if they are for you, then everquest is beckoning
pissed around on excal on my pre si sced theurg yesterday, happened to bump into a smite cleric (in a keep seige) with his stun we wreaked much havoc

and evita, you get stun, so try stunning for your casters one day

You dont need to be smiter to stun tho

 

[Elendar]

i have never, ever, seen a cleric outside pe do this in 8v8 that i can remember
apart from fearsome smite cleric adds, run away!

 

[pjuppe]

i agree with the albs and i think they have a point. albion has many good classes but abit to many i think it's way easier to build a balanced fg in mid or hib. of course the scout issue helps, but it's hardly the only problem don't give up albs, always more fun when more fgs are out

 

[daoc_xianghua]

We were having the same problem with hibs yesterday, sticking animists in Oil - Which is actually against rules. If you get caught for it you get banned. It's stupid. Hibs are completely overpowered. They're the worst to fight in RvR.

Just my opinion.

its against the CoC to make shroomz on oil?
i´m not saying its skillfull or something but is it rly forbidden?

 

[Heta]

it is against CoC afaik

 

[Equador]

Let's see...my wizard..

- I can't debuff my own heat damage.
- I don't have a pet, stun, mezz or instas.
- I don't have anything but damage-augmenting RAs i.e. no ST, no TWF.

Unless utility drops out of the sky and lands on my head, I'm retiring her. Thanks Mythic for wasting my time.

The only place for wizards these days is Avalon City of PoC ( ice spec ), or maybe the battlegrounds. Everywhere else, they lack the utility to earn a spot in a group.

 

[daoc_xianghua]

Lets pick on something then thats been a part of hib classes since the beginning.Caster baseline stun.Old comment but still around today on most hib mages.
Lets see - how skillfull do i have to be to survive nuke stun nuke nuke...What SKILL does any player in albion have to survive that...Hmmm...Oh yeah purge, oh wait thats not a skill its an RA on a timer, and if its down, youre dead.....

Specific example, old whine, tell me it isnt true.

how about..
good clerics, who actually heal?

guess how we survive sorc/caba debuff nuking....

 

[Adianna]

its against the CoC to make shroomz on oil?
i´m not saying its skillfull or something but is it rly forbidden?

It is forbidden to cast a FnF turret more than 250 units above your character.

 

[Killerbee]

i have never, ever, seen a cleric outside pe do this in 8v8 that i can remember
apart from fearsome smite cleric adds, run away!

Assist stun to casters? Hmm, look better imo!

 

[daoc_xianghua]

Ok Freia, I'll take the bait here and come out to play...

It still amazes me that, in some peoples humble opinion, Albs have no skill, are generally the crap dregs of players and are a general waste of space with all the skilled players going Hib or Mid...

Can you truthfully say, hand on heart that there aren't Albs who actively try to find FG vs FG fights? That all Albs do is Zerg?

I'll grant you that a lot of the lower RR Albs do sometimes... Undesirable classes who can't get grps because they aren't considered usefull in fg battles don't have a lot of choice sometimes... Because they can't get the groups then a lot of them do stupid things like mezz break, attack the wrong targets. Why? Because they don't know any better? Why? Because they can't get the groups. They get farmed by organised full groups who just get stronger and the Albs carry on zerging because it's the only way they have a shot at any rps.

I consider myself one of the luckier ones in Alb... I've found a regular group with people that I like and run as regularly as we can in RvR. We win and we loose like everyone else. We get a fair amount of BS thrown about us for zerging etc when it blatently isn't true and several members frequently get insulted on here by people who seem to believe that they're gods gift to DAoC and somehow greater than everyone else...

Now about those classes...

Scout: The bane of everyones life (or so people say)...
For the last few months there has been nothing but whine about how all of Alb is a stealther, how everyone rolled a scout and all they do is add...
Current Alb setups have no place for a scout in FG vs FG fights, they don't bring the utility or damage to groups to be used in such a way in the same way that Hib & Mid groups have no room for them either.

Wizard: A dying class...
A sad but true fact, Wizards are not really desired in RvR any more. Wizards are supposed to be about all out damage yet other casters in the realm outnuke them and bring greater utility to the group...

Sorcs:A mini zerg all on their own...
There was a time when Sorcs were few and far between, not the case now, there are a lot or sorcs. Undoubtedly a powerful class, no RvR grp would be seen without one. Sadly, a lot of them seem to want to solo or duo as there are better RPs in it for them. High body spec is fotm these days so shorter duration mezzes...

Theurgist: Great interrupters but not enough of them active in the realm.
Until recently, most people had no real use for them. Now the realm is finally comming to their senses and realise that they do have a part to play and have been trying to incorporate this class into active groups.

Reaver: My main class (and one of the most active)
Ok as a banelord they dump a fair amount of damage down in one go and can be useful as an interrupter but other than that Reavers are very situational and not amazing damage dealers unless we get behind our target...

More often than not, I'll drop a full 'bomb' on a group and it'll fall to 20% of health or so if the grp is stupid enough to cluster up for it (any grp with half a brain should never be caught like this). When it works and Albs have another AoE member of the grp this can work if damage can be done fast enough. More often than not, this gets healed faster than people can be taken down.

Common Alb group setup...

Minstrel - Interrupts, speed, demezz
Sorc - Main crowd control
Rejuv Cleric - Dedicated healer
Enhance Cleric - Buff shears, resists and secondary heals
Merc - Damage dealer
Merc - Damage dealer

Which leaves 2 slots...

Usually filled by a bodyguard/grappler and 1 other... Leaves a lot of classes unwanted...

make decent groups then
kick the mincer and get a caba instead
and fill last 2 spots with theurg + pally

or if you rly wanna run with mincer then rather kick a merc

 

[Xxcalibur]

mincers are useless in alb grp , unless he is very good player

about speed :caster speed + sprint its enough imo

 

[Dakkath]

Mincers are not ideal in groups UNLESS they know how to interrupt...

A decent mincer can keep several caster targets locked down for a goodportion of the fight and that is a reason to include them... That and SoS ofc

 

[Tareregion]

15 scouts won't hold a tower.

Erodafira's offspring might.

 

[Zede]

so by rolling a groupable charecter, which is nothing like a rp leeching adding tower camping peice of shit scout, im causing a problem?

and so by rolling my bd as my first charecters because i had skeleton pets in another game i played and i thought it would be fun to play a charecter with skeleton pets again, im fotm?

and i am looking forward to farming people who dont know how to play there charecters on excal, will be nice to finally ding rr10 after all this time

I had a Bard/Wiz on Ultima Online, could summon earth, water and air elementals. Guess what class i first rolled on alb

 

[Friea]

Lets pick on something then thats been a part of hib classes since the beginning.Caster baseline stun.Old comment but still around today on most hib mages.
Lets see - how skillfull do i have to be to survive nuke stun nuke nuke...What SKILL does any player in albion have to survive that...Hmmm...Oh yeah purge, oh wait thats not a skill its an RA on a timer, and if its down, youre dead.....

Specific example, old whine, tell me it isnt true.

either bolt spam mess him before he is near you, or pet him, 2000 range pet, or just interrupt him?