friar left bwhind again??

[Quicksilver]

"Friars left behind again?" Doesn't this kind of imply that they at one time or another caught up?

Friars were overpowered at one time; being able to beat other realms tanks in duels and 'normal' rvr.

Its the stat cap raise and no det that fucked friars. Most melee classes can get 340+ in their main weapon stat whilst friars are lucky to get 300. + they on the rogue weaponskill table.

"Whats quicksilvers spec then? and why is it impossible to get nowadays?"

All friars who were > 40 when we were patched to 1.46 got extra spec points.

I still think friars kick ass but I dont like playing mine in rvr much now because being a gm of a rvr guild I know that a friar cant justify its place in an optimum alb group. 80% of fights they are good but when you face a good hib/mid group the amount of CC flying about can make a friar useless.

 

[Elewyth(TLSOA)]

In the new buff shearing world friars may have an advantage, if it wasn't for the fact that the enhance specced cleric just got your place in the group

sorry i just dont agree with that at all...who in their right mind would take a pure enhance cleric over a fighting friar? great...another target to get mashed on first and not be able to defend themselves... atleast a friar can get some nifty RA's to keep going longer and actually kill things...unlike an enhance cleric who will basically stand there or run around screaming like a girl cos he just used his insta to stay alive... hehe tbh Friars will come out alright from this.. we've never really been top of the pile when it comes to RvR but then who here who actually started a friar thought that anyway? i know i started mine because it was fun to solo red mobs and walk away comfortably....and i know when i get 2 oj's on me i can smack haste and be able to walk away without any assistance.. thats security for ya, overall PvE im very happy with my Friar, RvR im fine also...sure id like to FOTM and be in all RvR Grp's but im not that bothered, i get grps, i have fun, i beat up middies and run away from evul hibbie pbaoe'rs...not much different from most classes when u look at it really, omg so im not a l337 class..so what Friars are fun!! with a capital F, and once they fix the AF buff overlapping with Pallys chant ill be cool!! im sure we'll get some fluff in frontiers, but until then theres a Whole lot of stuff to be doing /raids/dungeon crawls/keep takes etc.. when i get my ML Abilities Sphere of regeneration and power ward, ill be FOTM in most grps in Sidi etc..

 

[Coren]

If you're getting left behind, buy Longwind.

 

[Lejemorder]

sorry i just dont agree with that at all...who in their right mind would take a pure enhance cleric over a fighting friar? great...another target to get mashed on first and not be able to defend themselves... atleast a friar can get some nifty RA's to keep going longer and actually kill things...unlike an enhance cleric who will basically stand there or run around screaming like a girl cos he just used his insta to stay alive... hehe tbh Friars will come out alright from this.. we've never really been top of the pile when it comes to RvR but then who here who actually started a friar thought that anyway? i know i started mine because it was fun to solo red mobs and walk away comfortably....and i know when i get 2 oj's on me i can smack haste and be able to walk away without any assistance.. thats security for ya, overall PvE im very happy with my Friar, RvR im fine also...sure id like to FOTM and be in all RvR Grp's but im not that bothered, i get grps, i have fun, i beat up middies and run away from evul hibbie pbaoe'rs...not much different from most classes when u look at it really, omg so im not a l337 class..so what Friars are fun!! with a capital F, and once they fix the AF buff overlapping with Pallys chant ill be cool!! im sure we'll get some fluff in frontiers, but until then theres a Whole lot of stuff to be doing /raids/dungeon crawls/keep takes etc.. when i get my ML Abilities Sphere of regeneration and power ward, ill be FOTM in most grps in Sidi etc..

yea let us become PvE bots :/ then i started me friars i started coz i heard they was good in RvR then i was lvl 50 friars was totally screwed coz of det and with all whose bbs around the avatage friars had with selfbuffs r now destroyed.

 

[Battusai]

i have seen a friar who has accepted that he heals for shit lay down a warrior about seven times in a row.....,specs 50 staff and 7 rejuv for the cures only ,also might mather to invest in purge or in a minstrel who pays enough attention to cure mezzes in his grp...

 

[Lejemorder]

i have seen a friar who has accepted that he heals for shit lay down a warrior about seven times in a row.....,specs 50 staff and 7 rejuv for the cures only ,also might mather to invest in purge or in a minstrel who pays enough attention to cure mezzes in his grp...

yes friars heal for shit and yes in duels friars r great but in RvR r it something diffrent. Yea let us spec 50 staff, 7 rejuv and screw our lovly enha line? friars add with zero utility if they dont have resist buffs and what would u like most a 2h/pole arms with det, pf, cheap purge and ip or a friar with nothing??
maybe a good sorc or minstrel can cure mezz but what bout root? everytime i face mids i get rooted for over 1 min and can just look that we win or lose.
u got a zerker so u know nothing bout how it is to be mezzed or rooted for 1 min or no acces to cheap purge or IP.
2 thing screwed it for friars, det and bbs. Det yea u know and bbs coz the only reason friar where good b4 SI and all whose bb was there selfbuffs

 

[Moo]

no actually im basing that on the 3 lvl 50 shamans i kicked the living shit out of when i was level 44 running around in Hadrians and Pennines..so i THINK maybe you should look at your template if your having trouble in RvR...or maybe...just maybe realise YOUR NOT A TANK...YOUR A SUPPORT CLASS.. maybe you should stop picking fights with people who can spec shield..seeing as we get a major ass slapping from those classes due to 2H weilding mechanics.

wow u killed 3 level 50 bots?
rock on !

 

[Moo]

sorry i just dont agree with that at all...who in their right mind would take a pure enhance cleric over a fighting friar? great...another target to get mashed on first and not be able to defend themselves... atleast a friar can get some nifty RA's to keep going longer and actually kill things...unlike an enhance cleric who will basically stand there or run around screaming like a girl cos he just used his insta to stay alive... hehe tbh Friars will come out alright from this.. we've never really been top of the pile when it comes to RvR but then who here who actually started a friar thought that anyway? i know i started mine because it was fun to solo red mobs and walk away comfortably....and i know when i get 2 oj's on me i can smack haste and be able to walk away without any assistance.. thats security for ya, overall PvE im very happy with my Friar, RvR im fine also...sure id like to FOTM and be in all RvR Grp's but im not that bothered, i get grps, i have fun, i beat up middies and run away from evul hibbie pbaoe'rs...not much different from most classes when u look at it really, omg so im not a l337 class..so what Friars are fun!! with a capital F, and once they fix the AF buff overlapping with Pallys chant ill be cool!! im sure we'll get some fluff in frontiers, but until then theres a Whole lot of stuff to be doing /raids/dungeon crawls/keep takes etc.. when i get my ML Abilities Sphere of regeneration and power ward, ill be FOTM in most grps in Sidi etc..

mabye the people who started their friars started them back when they whupped in rvr

It's mainly the buffs nowadays, you gotta remember friars were godly back in the day because they had an almost full set of buffs that they could give themselves (only missing spec af and str/con) and so they were always perminantly buffed. Back in 'teh day' most people were not buffed if they were solo, thus most people these friars met were unbuffed, and we all know how easy it is to kill unbuffed ppl when we're buffed.

Now tho everyone u meet is buffed, if they're not its cuz their bot LDed - so basicly the friars edge was lost.

they still remain good chars, no where near as shit as, say, thanes - for example. But their no longer the wupass wtfsomecasterwithastickjustpwnedmyhero class they were.

 

[Qaewin]

what would u like most a 2h/pole arms with det, pf, cheap purge and ip or a friar with nothing??

I would rather have the rr6 arms than the rr1 friar

 

[Lejemorder]

I would rather have the rr6 arms than the rr1 friar

a rr6 friar can have ip and purge and aug dex2/qui2 and moparry/dodger or mopain3 but det alone beats all that

 

[Deepfat]

Friars are indeed (imho at least) in need of det something chronic. The idea of a hybrid healer/tank should be in terms of playstyle is to stay at back chuck a couple of heals off and then assist the main tank with postional styles causing max damage.

The rejuve line / staff line / enhance lines split means you have to have to sacrifice something somewhere. Additionally a lack of det. means that generally you're mezzed straight off the bat need to purge etc.

If you can't play the character in the way it was intended surely there's something wrong with the way things are?

 

[Asha]

Determination IS NOT the way to fix a class... ffs i wish people would shut up about NO DET classes.. Friars dont warrant Det and theyll never get it, what we do deserve is a grp ability..

Staff spec SHOULD NOT be lowered, ffs its fine where it is.. sure we have penalties for using 2H..and u wanna lower my WS aswell? please...

ive already started the Perfector ML so i can have Grp abilities to be able to get in grps..

any my sig is out of date its 45 now =P

a group ability.. hmmm yeah like buffs, or some unique resist buffs... or maybe some healing, and rez would be cool ..... hello !? Friars have loads of group abilities.

They can't compete in group rvr because of det, if players as good as Q and Starion and others quit their friars for that, I think you should listen to them.

 

[Lejemorder]

a group ability.. hmmm yeah like buffs, or some unique resist buffs... or maybe some healing, and rez would be cool ..... hello !? Friars have loads of group abilities.

They can't compete in group rvr because of det, if players as good as Q and Starion and others quit their friars for that, I think you should listen to them.

the problem is not only det, it r also the problem that albs allready cant fill all that utility in grp as hib or mid can and therefor have to sacriface some utility like friars resist buff and there self buffs r useless with that many with a bb.

as said in the start of the post it r not only det coz friars counter part in hib, wardens allways get a spot in a good RvR grp, and it all can be coz of gp.

 

[Zoogle]

Caution lots of crap and horrible grammar read at your own risk

Ive played friar since day one back when we only had 1x spec points per lvl and pretty much everything we had was pitiful (except my gear which i mugged off starion constantly) now ive played every patch including beta and watched my class grow and change over the times. my opinion on friars is currently the friar is a simply amazing class in PVE they can tank epic lvl mobs easily with just leather armour on (including the abs buff obvioustly) there amazing in duels but thats where there amazingness stops. the lower weaponskill from the hybrid table makes it harder for us to hit so when you have the nice big tanks with high af your in trouble, before buffbots yes friars were great and before RA's i believe a good friar could easily fill the role of your modern det tank or even surpass it due to there insane damage output back when everyone didnt have everything capped due to SC. now the times have changed everyone runs around buffed to the teeth and the friar although he is buffed will get no where near the stats of a tank or healer i only scrape 302 dex with 45 enhance an 13% buff effectivness. now for thsoe who acn remember staffs were not always dex damage they were originally strength but mythic changed it to dex for casters... was the friars strength gain for levels changed ot dex.. no it wasnt this accounts for our lower cap. now the issue of friars and how to fix them well my belief for all hybrids is they should get det but limited to level 2-3 i also thin the realms light tanks should only be allowed det 4, det 5 should be a primary tank only thing. RA's ok a friar doesnt get cheap RA's again i think the full cheap RA's would be stupid but all hybrids should have a couple of points knocked off the cost since they are in effect a tank. end regen ah yes back when we were the only class in alb that had self end regen wahey great now well stick a pally in a group and not only does he kill your AF buff every 2 seconds he kills your end regen which will sit there unused but still draining power. the BOF issue like the AF issue finally getting fixed but the necro abs is being taken from friars. no more 34% platemail absorb for friars. basically at the end of it all the friar resist buffs arnt enought to get them into groups there damage isnt enought to get them into groups there lack of det is enough to keep them out of them. one last thing before i stop , it is my belief that friars should of gotten the end regen for groups rather than pallies this would get them into groups now probably and pallies may even of found themselves in friars current position. also make friars self end regen scale as they level up, value 2 at 2 enhance and thats it for the lot.
also remove double speccing for alb!!!

 

[Asha]

the problem is not only det, it r also the problem that albs allready cant fill all that utility in grp as hib or mid can and therefor have to sacriface some utility like friars resist buff and there self buffs r useless with that many with a bb.

their self buffs arent useless to my groups, we ususally have only one bot and have to choose who gets what buffs - also we run with 1 rej/ehn & 1 rej/smite - so it would be nice to have a friar to do high quality base buffs leaving the rej/enhan cleric to do spec af and emergency rebuffs when someone dies mid-fight or when you don't feel like going back to bbot for rebuffing.

as said in the start of the post it r not only det coz friars counter part in hib, wardens allways get a spot in a good RvR grp, and it all can be coz of gp.

friars and wardens haven't that much in common and in fact there really isn't a hib/mid counter part to friar. Shammie/Warden are not dmg dealers like the Friar - they are pure support. Totally different roles in fighting
Wardens get spots because they have pbt, and GP makes a HUGE difference - that is why hib caster (ie non-det classes) are so successful.
I don't suggest to give det to friars, reavers, etc, but if det were fixed so that it wasn't such a huge determining factor in rvr, then friars would be very popular. I bet groups would drop a merc for a friar... 4 rezzers, 3 healers would be very nice.
cleric cleric mincer merc friar paladin theurg sorc could be a nice group
now ppl going to tell me no no no no, they don't hit hard/fast enough, but I think it would work well. Ofc we would have reavers too then so maybe drop the other merc too
yes, I am dreaming now
point is, we would have alot more options with det fixed than we do right now.
but then armsmen would suffer (onlyt thing they have over other tank classes is WS plate and det) more and we would be back to the start ^^

I like friar class, I hope they fix it.

 

[Drav]

Dets gonna be nerfed anyway by frontiers at least thats how the rumor goes, but you gotta think there has to be some penalty for the magic/chant/aoe users in RvR to balance them up with the pure melee classes.... not having det is the way mythic seems to look at this.

 

[Lejemorder]

their self buffs arent useless to my groups, we ususally have only one bot and have to choose who gets what buffs - also we run with 1 rej/ehn & 1 rej/smite - so it would be nice to have a friar to do high quality base buffs leaving the rej/enhan cleric to do spec af and emergency rebuffs when someone dies mid-fight or when you don't feel like going back to bbot for rebuffing.
friars and wardens haven't that much in common and in fact there really isn't a hib/mid counter part to friar. Shammie/Warden are not dmg dealers like the Friar - they are pure support. Totally different roles in fighting
Wardens get spots because they have pbt, and GP makes a HUGE difference - that is why hib caster (ie non-det classes) are so successful.
I don't suggest to give det to friars, reavers, etc, but if det were fixed so that it wasn't such a huge determining factor in rvr, then friars would be very popular. I bet groups would drop a merc for a friar... 4 rezzers, 3 healers would be very nice.
cleric cleric mincer merc friar paladin theurg sorc could be a nice group
now ppl going to tell me no no no no, they don't hit hard/fast enough, but I think it would work well. Ofc we would have reavers too then so maybe drop the other merc too
yes, I am dreaming now
point is, we would have alot more options with det fixed than we do right now.
but then armsmen would suffer (onlyt thing they have over other tank classes is WS plate and det) more and we would be back to the start ^^

I like friar class, I hope they fix it.

u say u gladly would like a friar to base buffm but r u willing to kick a merc out from the grp just for better base? i bet no.
and warden and friars r really close to each other ofc with warden got more grp utitlity like pbt and caster speed, bu else they r really close to each other, like self end reg, end reduce, spec in weapon, okay heals if specced high, resist and parry.

 

[Garok]

u say u gladly would like a friar to base buffm but r u willing to kick a merc out from the grp just for better base? i bet no.
and warden and friars r really close to each other ofc with warden got more grp utitlity like pbt and caster speed, bu else they r really close to each other, like self end reg, end reduce, spec in weapon, okay heals if specced high, resist and parry.

Why would you kick anyone out the group ..

And do you honnestly think groups would not use .....

a) High resist buffs
b) Good Damage
c) Base buffs which allows clerics to give more spec buffs
d) Back up Resser with cure disease and cure Poison.

 

[Lejemorder]

Why would you kick anyone out the group ..

And do you honnestly think groups would not use .....

a) High resist buffs
b) Good Damage
c) Base buffs which allows clerics to give more spec buffs
d) Back up Resser with cure disease and cure Poison.

problem is that alb cant afford all that utility, a hib or mid can in fg.