Frequent random crashes - can't determine cause

Void959

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Forgive me if this seems long but I've tried a lot of things already...

Recently I've been having probs where after typically 10 mins - 1 hour after being in RvR, the game (and whole comp) will freeze and the screen will go weird colours, audio will either continue for a few seconds then cut out or more generally go into a very fast loop (kind of buzzing). There is never any BSOD but always a similar pattern on screen with only variations in colour, sometimes with a square area around the mouse that will continue moving if I move the mouse. The computer sometimes resets after a few second but will usually sit there until I reset it, and windows never recognises that it's crashed the next time I start up. I've shown a couple of photos as it's hard to describe well.




From the screenshots it would probably appear to be graphic card related, but while it occasionally happens in PvE too it does so much less often, and also seems to happen more in RvR the more I move around different areas which would suggest more a ram problem. And since I've tried a hell of a lot of software fixes and even reformatted with no effect, software problems are pretty much ruled out. The problem occurs both in DR and the original TOA client, both in fullscreen and windowed mode (that is the whole system still crashes not just the window)

However no matter what I do I can't get it to crash outside DAOC. I've tried stress testing the graphics card with 3dMark05 by running the tests 15 times over, and a similar amount with aquamark and a couple of other small progs. I've tested the ram with both memtest86 and microsofts ram tester for about 8 hours overnight, and run prime95s memory torture test for several hours straight. These should all stress the hardware a lot more than DAOC and yet they all run fine. I've also checked temps while running DAOC and they are not especially high, max low 60s for the graphics card and mid 40s for the ram iirc. I also checked voltages with speedfan and they were all close to the ideal values, no more than 5% off

I've tried using previous, new beta and very old versions of graphics drivers, as well as updating directX etc. I've tried disabling AGP fastwrite and side adressing in the BIOS, tried underclocking the graphics card a little while raising the voltage, tried relaxing ram timings (they were not beyond what the ram is rated at anyway), and again none of this helped. Nothing is overclocked etc.

So basically I am out of ideas what to do next. I can keep stresstesting but I have the feeling if it hasn't shown anything up by now it won't, yet I'm almost certain the hardware is at fault since its exactly the same after a reformat and fresh install. Any suggestions?


System specs if they help are:

-DFI lanparty UT NF3 250GB
-Athlon 3000+
-2x 512 mb Geil ultra-x 3200 (something like that)
-Geforce 6800 GT
-WD Caviar 120GB HDD
-Win XP home, using service pack 1
 

Deathvenom

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I am having similar problems however my screen blacks out ingame and results in daoc crashing. It only occurs in daoc and only in rvr <i dont pve that much but i guess i dont do it enough to find out>.

I have also reformatted etc however I have not rolled back my drivers because I can't, I think it may have somthing to do with the new GeForce drivers, some other people I know with GeForce cards have said the same thing happend untill they rolled back and then they were fine. I however cannot find the previous GeForce drivers anywhere...
 

Boni

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imho download the unified drivers from nvidia.com they are always stable and ive never found a reason not to use them.
 

Boni

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Void959 said:
Forgive me if this seems long but I've tried a lot of things already...

First of all remove all video drivers and reinstall direct from nvidia. Most problems end up being drivers....

It does look like a gfx problem, and if drivers dont sort it then I would suspect some problem with the AGP connection as I have seen AGP hardware errors give similar pretty output. Check mobo drivers.

Could try testing the memory too, with memtest86, after that I would tend to think you might have a hardware fault on mobo or card, possibly around the AGP port.
 

SkarIronfist

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To be honest looks like the video card is on the way out. But do a complete driver reinstall to be on the safe side.
 

Void959

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Thx for replies, I tried using the two other drivers suggested and completely uninstalled all others before, but it didn't help, so I'm almost certain now it's a hardware fault. Since I can move the mouse (the largish block) around after it crashes and often hear audio, I think it has to be related to the graphics card and not RAM. I still need some way to determine whether the fault is on the motherboard or the graphics card itself however, I suspect mobo personally since I can't manage to crash the graphics card with any stress tests outside DAOC.
 

anioal

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try to borrow another vid card and check it out, im pretty sure its the vidcard... used to get very similar screens back in time when i was trying to upgrade 1Mb pci cards to 2mb using improper memory chips
 

Pirkel

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Get Powerstrip and underclock your graphics card. Start by radically underclocking it and then try it for a couple of hours (or a period it would normally crash at). Then if you find that it doesn't crash anymore start slowly upping the speeds again untill you find the point where it crashes.

If this point is very close to what your card should normally run at you can decide to suck it up and run it slightly underclocked. If it's way down you should try to get the card fixed/replaced under warranty or buy a new one yourself if you can't live with it.

Good luck!
 

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