Franz Ferdinand

[Trem]

Hold me

 

[Bodhi]

Yes. How on earth can you make a claim so completely unfounded like that unless you've heard tonnes of 'underground' stuff? There are loads of bands who aren't huge that are absolutely fantastic. The fact they're not huge means absolutely nothing about their talent, just like being huge is in no way a reflection on their talent.

I will condede there are plenty of unsigned bands who are pure unadulterated wank and are unsigned for a very good reason though.

Just because you or anyone else hasn't heard of a band doesn't make them poo!

Christ mate I never thought you'd bite.

 

[mank!]

Christ mate I never thought you'd bite.

Bite what?

 

[stubbyrulz]

ho ho some one very protective of their bands imo it's better for the band to get known so the get big and make money and that

 

[Shovel]

There may well be a degree of "alternativeness" to all of this. In that Franz are really a pop group, in an age where their music is particularly pop. Whereas if you were to take another group - even those on Alt Radio (take Funeral for a Friend for example) they are very much an alternative band and will remain so.

Hence, Franz are and do get plugged to everyone because they have come out of the alternative genre (read: They play their instruments and formed a band without the aid of a managing director), they appeal to more people. FFaF on the other don't appeal to as many people - such is the case of Emo. Therefore you plug a band you like to the people who you think will like it. I've never meant to suggested forcing Franz on the world because of what I necesarily think of them, but because I think that they are exception in their appeal.

 

[Bodhi]

Bite what?

The bait I left music facists to get all hot and bothered about

 

[mank!]

The bait I left music facists to get all hot and bothered about

I am a music fascist, ya pillock

 

[Bodhi]

I am a music fascist, ya pillock

I know, but I also thought you could tell when I produce statements out my ass

 

[mank!]

The bait was too good

 

[misspentlines]

since when have franz ferdinand been a 'pop' band i'd never put them in the same box as westlife, the pop tag is generally left for manufactured bands...

 

[Bodhi]

since when have franz ferdinand been a 'pop' band i'd never put them in the same box as westlife, the pop tag is generally left for manufactured bands...

Not really, it's reserved for Popular Music. Kinda where the term came from!

 

[Derric]

Interesting thread ;o
If someone limits themselves to only listen to music that's cool and underground they can't claim themselves to really love music..cos if they did they would be open to anything.
I've seen people that stopped liking their favourite bands becuase they started selling too many albums...stuff like that is just sickening..you listen to music because it's good,not because you need to feel interesting and cool.

 

[old.user4556]

There are loads of bands who aren't huge that are absolutely fantastic. The fact they're not huge means absolutely nothing about their talent, just like being huge is in no way a reflection on their talent.

This is very true.

I played in a band (who shall remain nameless) which i gave up a year ago to pursue my IT career. We were quite successful, playing at a few major festivals and supporting big names such as the lightning seeds and ocean colour scene. Some of the "bigger" bands out there who were making progress in the music world (such as the cosmic rough riders, or speedway) are just plain poo in comparison to some undiscovered bands I've seen who have a raw passion for playing the guitar and writing songs.

One of the best bands I've ever seen live was a mate of a mate's band who played a sorta Jane's Addition / Porno for Pyros / RHCP style of music - i can't believe their not signed, I can't believe that their not bigger than they actually are because their fantastic compared to some of the utter pap that the bigger bands put out.

G

 

[mank!]

Not really, it's reserved for Popular Music. Kinda where the term came from!

The definition of what 'pop' means has changed completely from that.

Interesting thread ;o
If someone limits themselves to only listen to music that's cool and underground they can't claim themselves to really love music..cos if they did they would be open to anything.
I've seen people that stopped liking their favourite bands becuase they started selling too many albums...stuff like that is just sickening..you listen to music because it's good,not because you need to feel interesting and cool.

I for one don't limit myself to listening to music that's cool or underground - my favourite band is The Smiths, they're hardly cool or underground are they? - and I don't think there are as many people out there who fit that stereotype as I think you'd like to believe. You're right about people stopping liking bands purely because they've sold too many albums, it's utterly pointless and quite pathetic. If their music has suffered and took a turn for the worst for whatever reason and you stop liking them, there's fuck all wrong with that.

I played in a band (who shall remain nameless) which i gave up a year ago to pursue my IT career. We were quite successful, playing at a few major festivals and supporting big names such as the lightning seeds and ocean colour scene.

Ooh, I'm all curious now!

 

[old.user4556]

I won't reveal.

In my opinion, our music was shit, we were shit live, we were unprofessional. The only reason we got to do big gigs like that, was that our drummer was good mates with a bloke who provides all the staging for concerts / T in the Park / Gig on the Green. He managed to pull strings to get us the gigs.

I felt bad/guilty because (like i said) there were dozens upon dozens of bands who had much better songs, and totally blew us out the water with their live performances; but because they didn't have the contacts, they only got to do pissy small gigs. Fucking tragic. These other small bands could pack out a live music venue in Edinburgh. We'd be lucky to pull in 20 people, 19 of whom were our mates.

So even when you're "big", you may only be big because you know someone in the business, not on talent. Similarly, because you don't know someone, you may be brilliant and never be noticed.

G

 

[Shovel]

The definition of what 'pop' means has changed completely from that.

Has it? How can it? What the hell is a Popular Rock band then? I do agree that the way the word pop is brandished about is destressing, but it's being spoken about as if somehow because the word pop is dirty, Franz couldn't possibly make popular music.

Just because a group on uninformed 8 year olds would exclude Franz from pop on the grounds of them not being Westlife, and just because a group on Indie kids would exclude Franz from pop on the grounds that they're not Westlife doesn't mean that they are not capable of being pop stars. And as I maintain, they bloody well deserve to be.

 

[shanks]

So even when you're "big", you may only be big because you know someone in the business, not on talent. Similarly, because you don't know someone, you may be brilliant and never be noticed.
G

Heh, that's the understatement of the year. :touch:

Quite curious about your band myself.

 

[Jonaldo]

Has it? How can it? What the hell is a Popular Rock band then? I do agree that the way the word pop is brandished about is destressing, but it's being spoken about as if somehow because the word pop is dirty, Franz couldn't possibly make popular music.

Just because a group on uninformed 8 year olds would exclude Franz from pop on the grounds of them not being Westlife, and just because a group on Indie kids would exclude Franz from pop on the grounds that they're not Westlife doesn't mean that they are not capable of being pop stars. And as I maintain, they bloody well deserve to be.

Agree with this, many of the old indie bands were actually pop, just because they are guitar based pop does not mean they are not pop bands. Otherwise shit like Busted would have to be classed as Indie or Rock.

One thing that does confuse me, although totally unrelated to this, is R n' B. I remember being younger and R n' B meant Rythm and Blues, however, the shit that comes out now that claims to be R n' B is pretty fucking far removed from it. So what exactly does the 'new' R n' B stand for? Sounds more like extremely watered down Soul to me.

 

[Shovel]

Indeed, RnB is a genre which has genuinely changed. I tend to think of it as "nu-RnB" - that's nu to rhyme with shite, of course. imho, of course.

 

[old.user4556]

Being in a band sucks anyway. Trust me. It really sucks being in a recording studio, doing the same annoying drum track over and over and over again for HOURS ON END. You start at 9am, you're there until 9pm even if you don't do anything. It's truly the most boring job ever.

Also, if you think there is a killing to be made, think again.

http://www.negativland.com/albini.html

Read the balance sheet at the bottom based on a band who get a quarter of a million dollars advance from a record company and go on to have relatively large success. The only winners and popstars are the record companies.

G

 

[shanks]

Being in a band sucks anyway. Trust me. It really sucks being in a recording studio, doing the same annoying drum track over and over and over again for HOURS ON END. You start at 9am, you're there until 9pm even if you don't do anything. It's truly the most boring job ever.

Most musicians say what they enjoy most is playing live. To go out and play your music for a crowd is a amazing feeling, a relief from all the hard work practicing/recording. I have limited experience in that area but the few times I have done it has been nice rush for me and I hear it described all the time. So cant be all bad can it? What did you play music for?

Very nice link you posted, I think there's way to much romantiscm revolving the music industry, there's basically too much money involved for it's own good these days. It's important with a realistic outlook.

 

[Xtro]

I loved being in a band. I got to shaft young ladies who thought that just because I sang I was a better person.

The fools, oh how I shagged them senseless anyway.

Hmm, got an audition on Tuesday

 

[old.user4556]

I did it because it was a uni band that went from having a fun jam to being involved full time and signed to a manager's contract that I found it incredibly hard to escape from. I also felt guilty letting mates down, but i managed in the end.

Look at that Michelle McManus from pop idol. She thinks she's in the mint because she received a 2 million advance from a record label. The hidden agenda is that a manager will take 25% of that upfront, along with agents etc. She's also gotta pay for a CD to be done and promoted, which'll cost next to £750k to do. Basically, in the end, she'll be left with not much of it to live on considering her appetite - and then she's got to sell enough albums to pay back £2million to the record company before she sees a penny in royalties??! That's gotta suck goats.

Anyway, we're off topic

G

 

[old.user4556]

I loved being in a band. I got to shaft young ladies who thought that just because I sang I was a better person.

The fools, oh how I shagged them senseless anyway.

Hmm, got an audition on Tuesday

Don't get me wrong, it has some kudos with it - but not receiving a penny sucked ass.

I much prefer my IT pay .

G

 

[Xtro]

Oh aye, there isn't much money to be made I grant you. Not unless you hit it BIG of course and I don't mean just getting signed. We got a deal with a minor Scots label and it was absolute rubbish.

Yep I get far more than I did back then, but we lost money if anything not earnt it.

Still...gigging IS fun, and the bonuses

 

[mank!]

Has it? How can it? What the hell is a Popular Rock band then? I do agree that the way the word pop is brandished about is destressing, but it's being spoken about as if somehow because the word pop is dirty, Franz couldn't possibly make popular music.

Just because a group on uninformed 8 year olds would exclude Franz from pop on the grounds of them not being Westlife, and just because a group on Indie kids would exclude Franz from pop on the grounds that they're not Westlife doesn't mean that they are not capable of being pop stars. And as I maintain, they bloody well deserve to be.

Pop used to be used as the definition of anything that was popular, whereas it's not anymore. Rap/R&B is popular and it's not called pop, nor are the Darkness et al. Pop is now manufactured mainstream music that just happens to be popular.

 

[Shovel]

OK, I concede Pop as a genre, but that doesn't change Franz Ferdinand's destiny to be Pop Stars.

Does anyone have a finalised date for the album by the way?

 

[mank!]

Does anyone have a finalised date for the album by the way?

9/2/04 according to Amazon.

 

[Doh_boy]

Also I'm sure I heard some 'artist' (that's artist with a silent 'piss') say that rnb didn't mean Rythmn and Blues but Rythmn and Bass. I wasn't sure if they were taking the piss or not.

 

[maxi]

people confuse chart music with pop.


The album is floating around on mp3, I have it. Its ok. heard most of the songs already. Straight into the Kings Of Leon bracket they go, wherever that is.