Fox Hunting

[Tom]

*laughs*

 

[ECA]

The ban was always total bollocks, you would save more animal suffering by cracking down on shady slaughterhouses than foxhunting, just class warfare, to make the labour MPs think they have actually achieved something other than following the previous governments line.

Bleh.

 

[Mazling]

I thought foxes were pests, vermin that needed to be dealt with in order to protect animals on farms and etc.

 

[Chilly]

I thought foxes were pests, vermin that needed to be dealt with in order to protect animals on farms and etc.

quite often they are. But the hippys noticed that in 1% of the cases it was just for fun so got it all outlawed, well...they tried

 

[rynnor]

If the law is insufficient perhaps we need a new law...

 

[throdgrain]

Yeah, like remove the law, and STOP TELLING PEOPLE WHAT TO DO.

 

[rynnor]

Yeah, like remove the law, and STOP TELLING PEOPLE WHAT TO DO.

It is the job of government to tell people what to do - thus the 'govern' bit.

 

[Ormorof]

tbh fox hunting with horses + dogs + guns is like killing chickens with a battle axe

no need for 10 million dogs to chase after 1 fox who they then proceed to rip to shreds, wheres the challenge there? (which is what sport is about no?) go shoot them honestly!

 

[nath]

Yeah, like remove the law, and STOP TELLING PEOPLE WHAT TO DO.

So if I cut out your heart and use it to make a nice 3d effect painting, when they come to arrest me I should just shout "DON'T CENSOR ME!!!" </familyguy>

Basically, shit arguement against fox hunting. Living creatures are involved and so "telling people how to live" doesn't quite apply.

 

[Chilly]

its only a bloody fox. (assumeing you're not a veggie): do you shed a tear every time you eat a steak? I sure as hell don't.

 

[rynnor]

its only a bloody fox. (assumeing you're not a veggie): do you shed a tear every time you eat a steak? I sure as hell don't.

This is a better arguement but I dont think beef is produced using a pack of dogs to tear the cow apart after chasing it miles so its not particularly comparable.

In the same way you can be in favour of state executions but against mindless torture and murder.

There is also an innate sickness to bloodsports which sullies all those involved - it treats a tortured death as a form of entertainment.

 

[Furr]

Pfft, Don't really care to be honest, The hunt near where i live carried on as usual + a bird of prey i believe.

What are the police meant to do? are they going to be running all over the country policing this! I'd rather they went for "proper" crimes.

The law was only passed so that Labour could appease the liberal hippies anyway and also on purpose or not stick they also stuck two fingers up and the upper class's and at the Countryside, and to be honest i have much more love for Fox hunters compared to Animal rights people.

Why? Well some animal rights activists believe thats is ok to to go round digging up peoples graves, attacking homes and families, breaking into medical facilities maybe destroying valuable data gathered on preventing and curing disease and cancers, intimidating companies. Not only is is disgusting that they do this, but they claim to be the moral one's i wonder how many jobs and foreign investment they have scared off from Biomedical companies looking for places to conduct research?

I have no qualms if monkeys and rats die for research if that reserach then goes on to help or save thousands of lives.

But then im selfish me

 

[Dommers]

Yes. I remember watching a program on BBC1 about it. Didn't they dig up someones dead nan to stop a company testing on animals. They should take a look at themselves tbfh.

 

[throdgrain]

So if I cut out your heart and use it to make a nice 3d effect painting, when they come to arrest me I should just shout "DON'T CENSOR ME!!!" </familyguy>

Basically, shit arguement against fox hunting. Living creatures are involved and so "telling people how to live" doesn't quite apply.

Bollocks Nath. You know little or nothing about it, same as I did when I was anti it.
If you take the time to investigate the facts, you'll find that most chases last for a short period of time, in which the fox is either caught and killed, instantly pretty much, or it gets away. Foxes do do a lot of damage, and need to be controlled. Note, I say controlled, not wiped out. In some managed districts of grouse and pheasant they were allowed to exist purely for the hunt. As this is not the case now, they will all be killed.
By one man with one gun you're going to say now, right? Wrong.
The main thing I dont like about foxing is the digging up of the earths, seems unfair to me somehow. (ludicrous I know, but hey Im english ) Well, thats one of the things thats still legal. So all your pretty Walt Disney style foxes can have thier earths dug, and the terriers can hold the fox at bay whilst the man shoots it point blank. It has no chance of escape. And now that is happening ALL THE TIME on many estates, where it practically didnt happen at all before.
Conversley, on RSPB sites where ground nesting birds such as nightjars are encouraged, the opposite is happening. Theres loads of foxes, and guess what? Yup, they're eating all the ground nesting birds.
I dont pretend to know everything about the countyside, I only know I love it, and I want to learn. And all we get from government are laws made to make the general population feel good about themselves, despite knowing nothing of the true facts. I also think its a misguided class war thing too, in a way. I still dont like fox hunting, I cant help but see them as posh gits. But I will not dictate to them how or what they should be doing. Its not my place.
Oh. Yeah, they enjoy it too. Tbh, so bloody what. I enjoy shooting my guns. Im next on this do-gooders government's list.. And then fishermen maybe ? Dont laugh, its coming I think. A line in the sand kind of thing for me. It has to stop.

 

[Jonaldo]

I don't cry when I eat steak, or chicken, or any other meat. But I've never seen anything to suggest that the hunters eat the foxes after the hunts so this is nothing about vegetarianism and nor has it ever been. Killing for self preservation is one thing, killing for a laugh with your mates is a bit different.

I think it would be fairer if there was a specified kind of toll gate at the start and end of each hunt. Then as they exit, for each fox killed they then kill one of the hunters, or better yet, their families which would probably hurt them a lot more.

 

[throdgrain]

Silly statements. Ever been to a slaughterhouse? They listen to Radio 1 while they work, have a laugh, talk about where they're going tonight.
Its niether here nor there anyway. Foxes do damage, they need to be controlled, the way it was done was reasonably effective. Now its not.
The fact that some people enjoyed it is what seems to upset you. Perhaps you would prefer it if they wore sackcloth and ashes instead of red, and had a really grim expression. And if you're about to say "AHA! but the fox doesnt enoy killing , it does it to eat!" then explain to me why a fox that breaks into a chicken house will kill all the birds, but only take one or two to eat?
Stop telling people what to fucking do. We have a whole generation brought up to think they can impose their opinions , right or wrong, on other people.
And as a final point (for Nath) its no more cruel than anything else in nature. Nature is harsh. This morning I saw my mate the kestrel who comes over out house from time to time. I looked up, a lovely sight.
Then I went to take the dog for a walk, up the path I could hear magpies and crows screeching, I knew something had happened, and as I walked up the path I found a new pile of feathers , and a bit further on a mangled ring dove. Like as not the kestrel had got the dove, and for some reason been disturbed and had buggered off. What had the dove done to deserve it? Nothing. Its just how it is.

 

[Jonaldo]

Stop telling people what to fucking do. We have a whole generation brought up to think they can impose their opinions , right or wrong, on other people.

I want to hunt people, in a big 4x4 with blades on the wheels and a machine gun attached to the top. People do damage to both the environment and to other species, they need to be controlled. They don't even do it for survival sometimes, they kill for fun and pleasure, take..... for example.

 

[ECA]

Actually my reference to slaughterhouses was more directed at the trade in Halal meat, which is far more inhumance than foxhunting , and kills a vastly greater number of animals every day than foxhunting did in a century.

Go stand outside and bitch at them you lefty bastards.

 

[Wij]

Foxes are scum tbh but that's beside the point. Anyone who has any kind of fowl for any reason will know you HAVE to control their numbers. It's nature via starvation if we don't get in there first. How would you rather they were controlled. Shooting ? Hmm, let's not get all FPS about this, you aren't going to go HEADSHOT with a sniper rifle. You're going to scatter random bits of their organs with a shotgun, after which they die in agony over the next several days. Woop-de-doo ! \o/

What people don't like is not the factthat animals are being killed, that happens every fucking day, you don't fool me. It's the fact that people enjoy it. Newsflash, humans are animals too. Foxes LOVE killing chickens. Humans enjoy killing foxes. Plus the fact that fox-hunters have some dosh makes it even sweeter.

Life is not a Disney film. Get over your 'radical-consciences'.

 

[throdgrain]

Well said Wij. Its fucking Walt Disney World in here at the moment

 

[throdgrain]

I want to hunt people, in a big 4x4 with blades on the wheels and a machine gun attached to the top. People do damage to both the environment and to other species, they need to be controlled. They don't even do it for survival sometimes, they kill for fun and pleasure, take..... for example.

HELLO?? A human being is NOT THE SAME AS A FOX is it??

 

[Calaen]

We worry to much about animals tbh, everyone knows it a fact of life animals will kill to eat, of course there needs to be some sort of action to prevent the Foxes from Gatecrashing a chicken party. I dont have any better ideas, but chasing them down with loads of dogs isnt the greatest plan either.

HELLO?? A human being is NOT THE SAME AS A FOX is it??

Well with half the shit that goes on everyday in this world I would have to say there are alot of humans out there this world could do without, people that stalk , rape and kill other human beings. Maybe we should concentrate on culling our own population starting with the murderers and paedophiles.

 

[RandomBastard]

When i'm not at uni, I live in the countryside.
My parents keep ducks and used to keep chickens.

....No I'm not a farmer....

Foxes will regularly kill ducks and chickens for fun.
By this I mean they don't eat them.

Foxes are vermin, to say save a fox is the same as wanting to save rats or cockroaches.

I'm not saying hunting them is right, i'm not saying it's wrong...
But it did a very worthy job which will now be replaced with people with guns.

 

[Furr]

Fox Hunting won't be stopped, it would take a massive effort to do it and anyway, its not like Britain is the only country that has fox hunting, the French, Irish, Italians, Indians, Canadians and Yanks all have fox hunts.

There are always going to be people who believe that aninmals deserve just as much protection and love as Humans, these people are usually city folk (not always, but usually), have never really given a thought to life outside of Urban living because they've never experienced it but feel its their right to dictate to the countryside how they should live. Much like these celebs who go round jumping on bandwagons denoucing whatever is currently in Vogue for the Liberal Wackjobs to be in a tiz about now.

Animals are animals and to about 80%+ of the world the animal is something to be eaten or feared and killed. And why should't hunters get a thrill out of killing a fox?

Basically if you think that the life of an animal is of the same value as a Human life your always going to complain and nothing anyone will say can change that, and to be honest I think your a twit but i'll respect your views although I completely don't agree and still think your a complete twit.

 

[nath]

Throd, I wasn't making an arguement against fox-hunting per se, I was merely pointing out that since living creatures are involved I don't think you can dismiss the law simply by saying "stop telling people what to do". In my opinion that only applies to laws that stop people from doing things that don't affect people/things in anyway shape or form.

The closest example I can think is that if someone is beating the shit out of his dog and he gets stopped then says "stop telling me how to live my life".

The above rant is totally seperate from my opinions on fox hunting - which I don't believe I've aired here.

 

[rynnor]

Silly statements. Ever been to a slaughterhouse? They listen to Radio 1 while they work, have a laugh, talk about where they're going tonight.

I have been to a slaughterhouse and yes they do carry on as normal as its their job not recreation - but they dont take any enjoyment from the killing the same as a public executioner.

Its niether here nor there anyway. Foxes do damage, they need to be controlled, the way it was done was reasonably effective.
Now its not.

Crap - fox hunting has never been an effective method of control - it has always been the man with dogs and a gun.

The fact that some people enjoyed it is what seems to upset you. Perhaps you would prefer it if they wore sackcloth and ashes instead of red, and had a really grim expression. And if you're about to say "AHA! but the fox doesnt enoy killing , it does it to eat!" then explain to me why a fox that breaks into a chicken house will kill all the birds, but only take one or two to eat?

Animals act on instinct - human beings are supposed to think - the fox hunts to survive - in the wild it would never find a concentration of prey in a small area.

Stop telling people what to fucking do. We have a whole generation brought up to think they can impose their opinions , right or wrong, on other people.

No, the big problem we have in this country are people that believe that rules somehow dont apply to them. Society is based on rules to prevent people doing exactly whatever they want.

And as a final point (for Nath) its no more cruel than anything else in nature. Nature is harsh. This morning I saw my mate the kestrel who comes over out house from time to time. I looked up, a lovely sight.
Then I went to take the dog for a walk, up the path I could hear magpies and crows screeching, I knew something had happened, and as I walked up the path I found a new pile of feathers , and a bit further on a mangled ring dove. Like as not the kestrel had got the dove, and for some reason been disturbed and had buggered off. What had the dove done to deserve it? Nothing. Its just how it is.

Firstly there is nothing natural about fox-hunting. Secondly we arent animals but humans - should we kill and eat each other then shrug it off as just how it is perhaps?

 

[rynnor]

There are always going to be people who believe that aninmals deserve just as much protection and love as Humans, these people are usually city folk (not always, but usually), have never really given a thought to life outside of Urban living because they've never experienced it but feel its their right to dictate to the countryside how they should live. Much like these celebs who go round jumping on bandwagons denoucing whatever is currently in Vogue for the Liberal Wackjobs to be in a tiz about now..

Crap - the majority of people in the country are opposed to Fox hunting so its silly to characterise it as some kind of city v country thing.

Animals are animals and to about 80%+ of the world the animal is something to be eaten or feared and killed. And why should't hunters get a thrill out of killing a fox?

Because its sick perhaps - many a serial killer began by torturing and killing animals - it demonstrates a basic lack of empathy.

Basically if you think that the life of an animal is of the same value as a Human life your always going to complain and nothing anyone will say can change that, and to be honest I think your a twit but i'll respect your views although I completely don't agree and still think your a complete twit.

You seem confused - you dont have to value the life of an animal as equal to that of a human to be against cruelty to animals such as foxhunting.

 

[ECA]

Humans are animals as well.
We just believe we are sentient.

 

[rynnor]

Actually my reference to slaughterhouses was more directed at the trade in Halal meat, which is far more inhumance than foxhunting , and kills a vastly greater number of animals every day than foxhunting did in a century.

I'm not keen on the Halal method of slaughtering but in their defence they dont do it for pleasure unlike the hunt. Additionally, they use a very sharp blade so theres unlikely to be much pain involved and death from loss of blood is pretty peacefull.

They arent chased by a pack of dogs before being ripped apart.

Like most people I'm not against killing animals for food.

Go stand outside and bitch at them you lefty bastards.

Cut down on the coffee and red meat IMHO ;P

 

[rynnor]

Humans are animals as well.
We just believe we are sentient.

If you have no more control over your instincts than an animal then I pity you.