For you that wanted USA to invade Iraq, suck on this..

[n00b]

http://www.moveon.org/censure/caughtonvideo/

Nuff said, i hope you feel slapped in the face...

Edit: And if you have a relative or anyone you know that are soldiers down there i just want you to know that i think they are murderers not freedom fighters or wtf you want to call them.

Peace.

 

[MaditioN]

http://www.moveon.org/censure/caughtonvideo/

Nuff said, i hope you feel slapped in the face...

Edit: And if you have a relative or anyone you know that are soldiers down there i just want you to know that i think they are murderers not freedom fighters or wtf you want to call them.

Peace.

QQ.

 

[caLLous]

Oh boy is this gonna get a debate/flame going...

 

[Mazling]

It's been around for a while. morons.org is a good site for keeping up-to-date on how exactly you are being deceived today.

 

[Utini]

Notice how when he is given a chance to explain they end the video so he cant.
The care taken to avoid civilian casualties in this war was unprecedented especially due to the inevitable coverage it would get, and thus civilian casualties were amazingly low for a war on a country this size. And to free them from a regime that murdered thousands every year, let alone the conditions they had to live under if they did stay alive. He even gassed 5 thousand in one sitting at Halabjah. So you think the soldiers who set these people free are murderers and not fighting for freedom. Clearly you dont have the quality of life of the people there as a major concern then.

Aside from the pretense of WHY we went to war - that can be argued as undoubtedly they put the best possible spin on things to get the action authorised / exaggerated things. The actual outcome (barring perhaps a better program for reconstruction - though it is actually progressing at a fair pace - hindered by remenant terrorist elements still trying to destabilise things for their own profit) cannot be anything but good for the people there, certainly in the long run, lets face it, it couldnt get much worse than before.

Nuff said, i hope you feel slapped in the face...

Why would we feel slapped in the face? The war went ahead which is what we wanted.
Being pro-war doesnt mean you have to be pro-american or even agree with everything rumsfeld and the american warmongering agencies think.

 

[throdgrain]

Hopelessly, pathetically childish :/

 

[Krazeh]

I have a mate who served in iraq with the Royal Marines, I'd like to see you call him a murderer to his face

 

[fatbusinessman]

http://www.moveon.org/censure/caughtonvideo/

0wned

Edit: And if you have a relative or anyone you know that are soldiers down there i just want you to know that i think they are murderers not freedom fighters or wtf you want to call them.

I think the word you are looking for here is 'soldiers'. They're doing what they're ordered to do - if the reasons given for that are unfounded, that isn't the soldiers' problem. Blame the administration, yes, but don't tarnish the reputations of the armed forces.

(Except the ones who caused 'friendly fire' incidents, of course)

 

[Ch3tan]

Edit: And if you have a relative or anyone you know that are soldiers down there i just want you to know that i think they are murderers not freedom fighters or wtf you want to call them.

Peace.

There is one thing being anti-war and another insulting people who risk thier lives for you, even if they may not want to be fighting the war themselves.

 

[TedTheDog]

Thanks for the info. However we already new that rumsfeld is a complete tard, and the bush regime actually shares the same goals as the german national socialist party in the 1930's, and theres already been numerous stories in the UK press (many of them commented on in these forums) about the "innaccuracies" the invasion of iraq was based upon.
Many call them "lies" of course, and the administrations involved are doing their best to keep a lid on it, but coming here and blaming us means you've fallen for the other set of lies, that "we" (the general public in the UK) supported it.
So, whilst I observe your right to peacefully articulate your anger over the situation, you didnt research who you were shouting at.
And as FB says, they're "Soldiers" and have no say in the matter, dont take it out on them.

You know, you have an important argument to make and you fucked the whole thing up by taking it out on the wrong people like a 5yr old. Many of us here would agree with you, if you hadnt thrown your tantrum like that.
Now fuck off and leave the serious debate to those capable of doing so (Ted being part of the problem shocker)

 

[Jonaldo]

I didn't agree with going to war, however once there I supported our soldiers 100% as they had a job to do and had to follow orders. They did a good enough job and I now just wish they could all get back home instead of being target practice for all those Iraqis that don't want to be a part of the new regime.

Isn't this an old debate? As others have said, we all knew they were lying when we went to war but it's not us or the soldiers that make the decisions, it's overpaid, corrupt politicians with motives not entirely clear to the rest of the world

Also, you weren't very mature in conveying your opinion which doesn't really help matters either

 

[Damini]

http://www.moveon.org/censure/caughtonvideo/

Nuff said, i hope you feel slapped in the face...

Edit: And if you have a relative or anyone you know that are soldiers down there i just want you to know that i think they are murderers not freedom fighters or wtf you want to call them.

Peace.

If they are murderers, then what are the people that did this?

http://www.kdp.pp.se/chemical.html

(warning, link shows graphic images of the kurdish genocide)

I can't be arsed to argue with another feverish anti-american anti-war person, it just makes me sad that the value of a life is only ever quantified by the person that takes it. Saddam can go around killing for years, in Rwanda 800,000 were murdered in a third of a year, and yet the world at large only gives a flying fuck when it's the "satanic overlord" America involved.

 

[Utini]

Precisely Damini, most of us know the way (and reasons for) we were taken to war was a shambles (whether pro or anti war). But the humanitarian grounds alone are a big enough reason for it to be a good thing.

 

[n00b]

I have a mate who served in iraq with the Royal Marines, I'd like to see you call him a murderer to his face

Take yourself and your buddy and come to stockholm and i will call you both murderers if you want.... what do you think just because your buddy was a soldier that he can beat me or something ?

 

[Sharma]

Do you realise how amazingly dense you sound n00b?

The soldiers are just following orders the higher ups had set for them to follow, you seem to miss the fact that very few can actually kill a person they do not know at all without a large feeling of guilt.

Most of the people out in Iraq don't wish to kill.

Then the arguement of "Why are they out there then?" comes along, see above.

 

[Krazeh]

No I just think that calling a Royal Marine who risked his life for his country because that's what he was ordered to do is not only downright dense but is highly abusive and offensive.

 

[Stazbumpa]

Just another link from just another wanker who failed to realise the gravity of the situation and why there was a war in the first place.


IMO: The invasion of Iraq should never have taken place in 2003 because it should've been done in 1992. However it wasn't, so I see it as entirely justified, WMD or no, in any case. Thanks to the invasion, stuff is actually working in Iraq now and whilst the country is far from sorted out, there is actually a positive score with regard to the amount of Iraqi's still alive today over the same time period before the invasion.

Plus we also stuck one on the French who were quite happy to sign billion dollar deals with Saddam for oil, thus funding his regime further. Would he have spent the money on his people?
Don't make me fucking laugh.


//edit: Taketh not the piss from our soldiers, for they are the best in the world. They did more good than everyone on these boards put together will ever do.

 

[old.user4556]

I think that anyone under the age of 16 shouldn't be allowed to post here

 

[Jonaldo]

He's lucky DMW hasn't turned up yet or maybe he has and managed to restrain himself.. but that's pretty unlikely

 

[GDW]

Edit: And if you have a relative or anyone you know that are soldiers down there i just want you to know that i think they are murderers not freedom fighters or wtf you want to call them.

Peace.

Somebody bann this little boy until he learns how to grow up please...thankyou

 

[Trem]

n00b......














*edit n00b you sir are a Cockbadger*









*A = Anchovies.

even though you have specified the A wishing death on people isnt a good thing either Trem although this chappy does deserve insulting on the highest order.

 

[Ch3tan]

I second what Trem says *edit and hopes the fleas of a thousand cockbadgers infest your reproductive organs*


Sorry Ch3t but the CoC is the CoC

 

[Trem]

LMAO Ch3t


It gets modded you see. I would agree with them modding anchovies though tbh.

 

[mr.Blacky]

Okay here are the quotes and now look at them.

Some have argued that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminen, that Saddam is at least 5 to 7 years away from having nuclear weapons. I would not be so certain.

Hmmm is he saying that Iraq would have had nuclear weapons a month later? No he is saying that 5 to 7 years might not be a certainty (sp?) He believes it would have been shorter. I don't know, it might and it might be longer. Would it be better to wait? No, I better now and be sure then later and be sorry.

No terror state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people and the stability of the world then the regime of Sadam Hussein in Iraq.

Again is he saying that Iraq is an immediate threat? No he is saying that Iraq is more immediate threat. It is like saying that a junkie is more likely to bother you in a street then a non-junkie.

Conclusion: he is a politician and he is saying nothing.

Noob about your comment over the soldiers in Iraq. You do realise that you are an idiot? Going to Stockholm to beat you up? why bother, most likely you have even more stupid opinions and you will be beaten up by someone else

 

[Yoni]

I am the daugher of a Royal Marine and am so anit-war its untrue however once the decision was made I just wanted to support people I knew who were sent out there and those I didn't know also.

Please n00b dont be insulting as to pathetically have ago at those that risked their life for their country.

 

[tRoG]

It's the politicians fault that wars happen, not the soldiers.

 

[Mr.Monkey3]

*sucks on "this"*

Tastes like Troll Bait!

 

[Trem]

It's the politicians fault that wars happen, not the soldiers.

Or people like n00b tbh.

 

[Bullitt]

I don't agree with the reasons for the war, but i agree that Saddam simply had to go/be punished for what he had done.

And i second the people who say your a twat for insulting the soldiers who fight for this country.

War doesn't determine who is right, war determines who is left.

 

[nath]

Going after the soldiers who faught/are fighting in Iraq is pointless and inflammatory. There's really not much point in responding to n00b, he obviously hasn't a clue. However...

Precisely Damini, most of us know the way (and reasons for) we were taken to war was a shambles (whether pro or anti war). But the humanitarian grounds alone are a big enough reason for it to be a good thing.

I still disagree with that, there's no doubt Saddam is gone, there's no doubt the world is a better place without him in power but that doesn't mean that the way we got there is justified. I'm not going to reiterate my reasons against war (it's not because war is mean and nasty) because we've done this before. But just because Iraq seems to be sorting itself out more now doesn't mean everyone suddenly agrees.

I do fucking hate the stop the war coalition (or at least, the ones shown on tele) because they never have any fucking points to make other than war is bad mmkay!. This really fucks me off, as there ARE people out there with valid things to say about this war, all it does is make the anti-war bunch look like a load of foaming at the mouth liberals. Not all of them are.



uh.. this wasn't supposed to be a rant