For and against Buffbots.

[Armolas]

don't see the point in levelling a buffbot nowadays when a bit of cash farming and a friendly alchemist can replace it.

 

[Tranquil-]

Weeell... Not exactly. The highest stat buff potions are only +24 aren't they?

 

[belth]

Originally posted by Armolas
don't see the point in levelling a buffbot nowadays when a bit of cash farming and a friendly alchemist can replace it.

Go look at the potions stats and how often you can use them and then go stand in a corner with a "I'm a doofus"-hat. Seriously.

 

[belth]

Anyway, couldn't care one bit less. Don't have one and propably won't, cause WoW & few others are close enough.

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by leorin
infilts>Zerkers w/o buffs mainly

I think NOT gimpz0r


any time any where any place mac :>

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Ziva
Buffbots are a lame way to win a game just because u aren't good enough yourself or can't stand the fact u might loose some time (which is pathetic in all games if u ask me). I do however don't consider it as cheating cause your not breaking the rules GOA set.

It would be so nice and so damn easy for GOA to make this solution for it: simply disconnect any char that is standing somewhere doing nothing for more then say 5 mins. Sure... buffbots would still be possible but only if the owner pressed a button every 5 mins or else the char would log out (sounds annoying doesn't it?). Stick the owners other alt would be an option too but then the bot would also be killable by mobs/enemies so that's no fun either (then u have to release 2 chars if u die...see the fun in that?).

Maybe not a nice solution for people going afk for longer then 5 mins but i've never been fond of people going afk all night (big leechers) anyway

then, what if (super idea comming on here) you stick your bufbot to the porters in the telekeep, or to some guard outside the realm keep. then your "solution" is nothing but a fucking annoying "feature"

I think not

 

[hjalthor]

I got on and I use him, u cant stop me and I dont care what u say

Why is it unfair that I run around with my shaman on stick??
Is it because you dont get the buffs you want?
Is it bacause I can and will use that much more money on this game than you?
If you cant kill me with my bots buff on, you cant kill me, if you cant kill me with another shammys buffs, you cant kill me, what make one thing ok, but the other cheating?

I think it is cheating that LA got so many chanters that kills me, that the albs almost allways outnumber us 2 to 1, that I cant kill purple mobs, well none of it are cheatiing, but I still dont like it, just because you dont like something dont make it cheating.
Only thing that can get the bots out are to remove all buffs.


Ps. I dont care how much you flame me, I still got my uber buffbot and I use him.

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by belth


Go look at the potions stats and how often you can use them and then go stand in a corner with a "I'm a doofus"-hat. Seriously.

 

[jox]

...

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what is next step? protest against death-penalty?

buffbotwhiners = looosers

 

[chuckas]

Buffbots are not cheating. Having said that I won't ever get one even though I have 2 PCs and 2 connections if needed. Reason is simple, I feel it spoils the fun....you would KNOW you would win most 1 on 1 combats because most people dont have buff bots. Where is the fun in that ?

Its much more fun when you have the risk of dying when u attack someone. no risk...no fun.

I suspect buffbot users as being weak willed and in need of attention though awesome RP gains in zero time.

I solo a lot and I am never buff botted. For me its more fun, when I lose against someone obviously solo and buffed, well I don't feel i really lost. It wastes time, but thats it as i release to come back and hunt somewhere else.

At the end of the day its a personal choice, one I have decided not to make.

Gillian - 47 Inf

 

[kaod]

Originally posted by Pin


Why should you break it down like this?

What about those poor goblins and ogres which have no voice on these boards? I'm sure they have it bad enough when full groups of 'adventurers' turn up and spoil their evening strolls and picnics, but to now be told that it's 'okay' if someone turns up and PWNZ0RS them solo just because they have a buffbot. In my opinion, more consideration should be shown to these creatures merely because they don't come spamming these boards with useless, drivelling whines about being killed day in, day out. (Okay, so some of them do complain in-game about certain things - like the weather, for example. But I haven't seen 1 post on a forum about it just yet).


So I say fair treatment to all. If you are going to be an advocate of buffbots against ghouls, then you MUST be consistent and support buffbots against other 'adventurers'. Otherwise I'd say you have absolutely no integrity!

Goblins and ogres don't pay a monthly subscription, which is probably how they can all have so much loot on them all the time.

 

[belth]

I've seen mobs use buffbots too, it's quite disheartening

 

[Qte Eth]

mythic are for
1)gives more money
2)dont create much lag -buffbot stay still in pk

why they make 2 daoc clients in latest patch?it cant be used anyhow effective unless its a buffbot
why u still can cast buffs on offgrp chars with infinite range?

and the more ppl get buffbots,the more are to counter this with theirs buffbots,so they get more and more money
and ppl get buffbots,because they enjoy whine threads and having advantage above others ,and are ready to pay for it money

so all are happy

 

[Danya]

The crux is...
Buffbots are only unfair/bad till you get one.

 

[Gekul]

I think most with buffbots would agree they're unfair too. There is not a lot of choice in the matter (if you have the means), unless you enjoy releasing a lot. There are more people buffed in rvr than unbuffed, shame mythic won't change how buffs work - more fun for all (except those who were the bb pioneers I suppose).

 

[hjalthor]

Depend on how u use ur bot!

95% of the time I have mine on stick (need that Endregen)
The last 5% he stands in Bled or Svasud, mostly without buffs on anyone.

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by Ch@meleon
Thanks for making a fine post to demonstrate the exact type of twat we are talking about here ..... and the reason I stopped playing this game quinthar.

lol, you are a moderator and you cant see the wood for the trees, if I had posted the same content and not had a cleric that can buff would you have attempted to deride me the same, I think not.

Therefore I can assume only one thing, DAOC is a far better place without your narrow minded self centred ego chasing crap.

kthksbye

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by PJS


on the contrary, the origin of those buffs is VERY relevant. Buffbot buffs are different from player buffs in several important ways.

Sigh

okay my Cleric goes to Emain, shes a bit low lvl but gets into a grp with an existing cleric my instas arnt as good but hey clerics are a rarety these days, we both buffs I have buffs left over, I buff a fellow guildy Infil that happens to be at Emain witht he spare conc I have.

Infil goes and whacks a few people they come to this forum very much like the multitude of "I got owned by a buff butt thread" posts.

So, where do you stand on this??

I'm afraid you can bitch and moan all you like Buffs are a part of the game WHEN you can get them, I, like others have choosen not to rely on others for my buffs, the fact that mine can heal as well is irrelevant.

So, according to all the holier than thou posters (You know who you are Mr Moderator) that have posted before me you have a interesting dilemma:

Buffs to a mate or guildy (Not in your group) = cheating

Now I'm sure somebody will come back and say hey I'm not talking about casual buffs or buffs to a guildy, but the fact remains willing or otherwise a cleric that gives a buff (Or even a Wizzy giving EB) to a non grouped player is considered cheating by the people above.

I suppose somebody will come back and say "oi I was refering to the Buff bots at the PK", Well, you tell me how its differant?

 

[Arwen]

If people have the money and wanna get their dogs married... Let them!

Whoops.. i'm lost

 

[Jim_Spurious]

I don't agree with buffbots... one of those "not against the rules but hardly ethical either" sort of arguments.

I know of a lot of people who use buff-bots for PvE but not for RvR, but is the person who PL'd his own Necro with a buffbot any difference to the person who asked his guild to PL it for him.

Is a buffbot in RvR any different to getting a human player to create a character, buff his buddies and then sit in the port keep all day - unlikely, but possible.

At the end of the day the buffbot is down to the individual and how they want to approach the game, and there probably isnt a lot that Mythic can do about it, as a work around can always be found.

Take the case of Alpha, a minstrel ( a supposedly gimped class ) but I have seen him solo Heroes and BM's. The fact is that he is a superb player, and very skilled at choosing and killing his targets. But what is his enduring legacy - a skilled and talented player? No. He is mostly known as a grey-ganker with a buffbot, and thats all. But I am sure he sleeps like a baby.

The fact is that buffbots are here to stay, in the same way that Everquest has been overun with Twinkers and Griefers. To change the game to eliminate buffbots would change the essence of the game itself. Like cockroaches, you are never going to get rid of them

 

[magebane]

i started this thread

Well i started this thread for a couple of old and now boring reasons.

1. to find guys honest opinions about buffbotts

2. to ask why guys make them? ( so far only had one good send from alpha male who sent me in camelot)

This was his reply i had 6.8 million realm points before i made my buffbott and the reason i did it was so i could take out super buffed players. Did i need it probably not but it makes the job easier.

In answer to that thanks very much alpha at least you were one of the few who answered the question of why. As to all the mindless morons who did nothing but flame this post which is i agree old news. i have been around since beta and like alot of you in the old days you never saw full enhancement buffbotts running around. Who says the good old days werent the best.

 

[Trinilim]

The classes that weren't fixed back then

but yes, I agree with you..

You will never see me with enhance buffs unless I'm in a group, or if I wanna get back at an Ultra buffed SB etc.

/wave salamar

 

[Chameleon]

Originally posted by quinthar

if I had posted the same content and not had a cleric that can buff would you have attempted to deride me the same

yes, exactly the same.

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by Ch@meleon


yes, exactly the same.

Funny, I knew you'd say that.

Then you sir, are probably an accountant

 

[Chameleon]

It's the truth, that's why.

Well done for reading my profile.

 

[quinthar]

Of course, I like to get my facts right, unlike others.

 

[Chameleon]

 

[MesS°]

Well my Cleric isint going anywhere without my Stealthbot. The added poison on my mace just gives me that extra advantage, so i can solo...(i own Grey/Green and AFKers most of the time)

Sometime me and my Cleric friends go out 3 or 4 at a time, and gang up on single blue cons, all want me to envenom there maces, so dont give me any crap, everyone uses stealthbots.