For and against Buffbots.

[magebane]

i would like to hear your opinions, my personal opinions is they should stop them. Now myself i could make one as like alot of people in this game i have more than one account and more than one pc, however i refrain from doing so as i see it as cheating personally. Now this aint having a dig at people like alpha male and yog as i have seen alpha male destroy a full group and was thoroughly is awe of him he was fantastic, and i have also seen yog take apart a troll zerker. So here is my point should they be able to??? i think not. No one player should be able to take a full group apart one at a time. Also no stealther should be able to take apart a zerker one on one. This i here is being addressed, which in my humble opinion is a good thing. Also i notice today a lvl 45 necromancer which is an achievement and a half but was most disappointed to see towed behind it was a full enhancement cleric of 50 seasons. This kind of cheating should be stopped, i personally think it is spoiling the game but would love to hear your opinions for buffbots and against buffbots please.

 

[gunner440]

whine

 

[leorin]

infilts>Zerkers w/o buffs mainly

 

[Aule Valar]

against, but if could afford/ be arsed to i'd get one, simply to keep up with everyone else

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by leorin
infilts>Zerkers w/o buffs mainly

 

[Pin]

Nice to see you've toned down your sig a bit

No comments on the actual post though, because it's tired, old and boring.



(PS. indiscriminately)

 

[magebane]

Thanks pin.

my spell checker must be wrong, because my dictionary agree's with you thanks. Now please answer the question your a vet at this game and it people like you whose opinion i like to listen too.

 

[divainsane]

Originally posted by leorin
infilts>Zerkers w/o buffs mainly

Umm.... I would like to see that, since I usually kill buffed infils with my zerker and im unbuffed...

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by divainsane


Umm.... I would like to see that, since I usually kill buffed infils with my zerker and im unbuffed...

What INF's are you talking about?

 

[Chameleon]

Personally I think it's cheating. Simple as that.
I don't care if it costs them 2x subscription, 2x pc's, or whatever, it's cheating all the same.
I prefer always to play as part of a group with my ns, but all too often have to head out solo. Even when I get a perfect PA chain, evade, etc, I still lose to lesser classes, simply cos they are buffed to the eye balls. I fail to see what kind of gratification these people can get from knowing they win only by cheating.
There have always been and will always be people in online gaming however who care not how they win, just that they win.

It's quiet easy to imagine the type of people these are in real life, which makes me feel a whole lot better about it. My only suggestion to them would be this ........... play the game for fun, accept that you don't have to win all the time, but most importantly, open the curtains and take a look outside, even venture out into the real world and get some colour in your skin.

 

[bracken_woodman]

No respect for buffbotted players - unless they can also demonstrate that they can play without the buffbot (some can). I'd go as far to say that if I came across a stealthzerg where they were all playing without buffbots, I'd have far more respect for them than I would for a solo buffbotted stealther. Atleast the group would be playing within the confines of the game.

Having said all that, its wrong to call someone a cheat because they use a buffbot. They are not cheating. Its just they are using 2 accounts, and taking advantage of the fact that there is no range limit on buffs. Cheating is when you use a 3rd party program to affect how the game runs, or use an exploit to gain advantage over other players. Buffbotting isn't cheating.

 

[Chameleon]

I think it is cheating, it's just known by another name.
It was never intended to be exploited in this way and the only reason it hasn't been 'fixed' yet is the greed of the game makers.

 

[censi]

its not cheating... its just some get to frustrated with the game.. they struggle to kill things without buffs... This mainly is aimed at assasins.... if they miss their PA they can find themselves getting owned.... with buffs they can get away with missing the PA chain...

my view on buffbotts is they make the game very unbalanced for those that want to solo.... if you dont have one you are at a huge disadvantage.... but if u do have one you desearve to get a good ribbing for using it.

I always accept buffs from Ne1 who gives them to me, but I dont merrit being uber enough to get 2 pc's... hopefully mythic will have the balls to fix this one day.

 

[Chameleon]

That is a whole other issue too though ......... people assume that if you have made a level 50 assassin, you did it cos you wanted to solo all the time. I can't think of anything more boring ... I had to do enough of that trying to level. So I'm forced to solo in rvr, due to people putting stealthers at bottom of the group requirements list ..... but you can't enjoy the game solo either cos there's so many people making up for their lack of skill/cunning/patience by making a buffbot, just so they can win all the time and feel better about their sad lonely existence. Makes me sick and has all but ruined this game for me to be quiet honest.
And it's still cheating in my book

 

[skile]

The first person who started a buffbot on excal is the DEVIL of the daocworld. This person should not feel good about himself. Wait, he probably does.

And in this world, I'm not suprised people want to play unfair. So the plauge (buffbots) spread very fast. And is still spreading, making my char the less enjoyable. Cause I will never ever, never get a buffbot.

/em Pads himself in the back for being a Man.

 

[quinthar]

Ummm whats that smell??? Ahhh I smell Bullshit...

Wtf are you naggin old tarts on about?

Its the same old story, clearly Mythic dont give a flying rats ass what you think, this "problem" has existed for a very long time, they have had numerous chances to "fix" it and they havent, so I'm afraid that tells me one thing.

1. It aint cheating
2. It aint against the rules
3. It might hurt the feelings of sensitive types that get "OWNED" or Even just killed by people with them, but lets face it if the guy doesnt die you'll never know, and I mean you'll NEVER know.

So, here we are, somebody got OWNED and has come here to bitch about it, SIGH

There is nothing you can do about it, there is nothing I can do about it, so just give it up and stop wasting everybodies time with this constant diatribe about "Its soooooooo unfair" you sound like a spoilt child. When you get a bit older you'll understand that there are many things in life that arnt fair, and the fact somebody may have advantage in game is neither here nor there, stay in yer home realm then if you cant handle the big wide world.

If you want to know weather I am a Assassin type, the answer is no, do I have a cleric that does uber buffs, yes.

Likewise I also have a wizzy that does ace DMG buffs too and a Friar that does ace resists, I have made all my characters to enable me to be pretty much self sufficient in daoc.

So, I have a perceived buff bot and I'm not an assassin, ummm, whats your position on that?

And as for the comments about never getting a buff bot, dont make me laugh, When I have played my Cleric I have never ever and I repeat NEVER had a single buff refused not once..

Even some of the people in various threads both on Xcal/Alb and otherwise that claim to be so anti buff bot, non of them have refused buffs.

So, with all this too'ing anf fro'ing where does it all leave us, NOWHERE, people still have buff bots, people still nag about buff bots, some people just never learn..

The reason it has never been touched by mythic is becasue they have always stated that above a certain level players are expected to be buffed as a normal part of the game, not becasue of the greed of the game makers, they are a soft target becasue you know they will not respond to you in this thread, if yuo feel so strongly about it, dont tell us tell them, then when yuo get told the same as I have stated here, come back and post it..

 

[old.Filip]

Imho buff's should not have been a part of this game .. there is no fun what so ever in buffs ..

so many spec points and time wastet in something that is not fun ..

 

[hercules-df]

Buffbots amuse me, they are like slaves, usually see them lurking in DF or at trees, Ive got no problem with ppl having them

 

[Chameleon]

Thanks for making a fine post to demonstrate the exact type of twat we are talking about here ..... and the reason I stopped playing this game quinthar.

 

[Ziva]

Buffbots are a lame way to win a game just because u aren't good enough yourself or can't stand the fact u might loose some time (which is pathetic in all games if u ask me). I do however don't consider it as cheating cause your not breaking the rules GOA set.

It would be so nice and so damn easy for GOA to make this solution for it: simply disconnect any char that is standing somewhere doing nothing for more then say 5 mins. Sure... buffbots would still be possible but only if the owner pressed a button every 5 mins or else the char would log out (sounds annoying doesn't it?). Stick the owners other alt would be an option too but then the bot would also be killable by mobs/enemies so that's no fun either (then u have to release 2 chars if u die...see the fun in that?).

Maybe not a nice solution for people going afk for longer then 5 mins but i've never been fond of people going afk all night (big leechers) anyway

 

[PJS]

Originally posted by quinthar
Its the same old story, clearly Mythic dont give a flying rats ass what you think, this "problem" has existed for a very long time, they have had numerous chances to "fix" it and they havent, so I'm afraid that tells me one thing.

The only thing it tells you is that it hasnt been fixed yet, anything else is supposition. If something is broken for a long time the fact it isnt fixed yet does not mean it isnt broken. When has Mythic ever fixed anything in a timely manner?

The reason it has never been touched by mythic is becasue they have always stated that above a certain level players are expected to be buffed as a normal part of the game

PvE only and by an actively played character

 

[Mundokar]

Originally posted by Ziva
It would be so nice and so damn easy for GOA to make this solution for it: simply disconnect any char that is standing somewhere doing nothing for more then say 5 mins. Sure... buffbots would still be possible but only if the owner pressed a button every 5 mins or else the char would log out (sounds annoying doesn't it?).

Maybe not a nice solution for people going afk for longer then 5 mins but i've never been fond of people going afk all night (big leechers) anyway

Hmmm lets get some coffee while we are waiting for the relic raid to start...... wtf disconnected. All groups disbanded, groupbuffs gone. Erm no doesn't sound like a solution to me

 

[Draylor]

Originally posted by censi
but I dont merrit being uber enough to get 2 pc's... hopefully mythic will have the balls to fix this one day.

They have, the current US version has windowed mode and the ability to run 2 instances of DAoC on 1 PC (without using any 3rd party tools)

Its obviously not the fix you had in mind, but Id bet its the only one we're going to see anytime soon.

 

[eynar]

Originally posted by Ch@meleon
Thanks for making a fine post to demonstrate the exact type of twat we are talking about here ..... and the reason I stopped playing this game quinthar.

But Quinhar's oh so right...buffs are a part of the game, where someone gets them is irrelevant. Some people start bitching about it being unfair cuz buff-bots can't be killed etc...pure bs and nothing else. So what if people suddenly said their shaman at the pk isn't a buff-bot, but that he's being played by his lil brother who's afk for the next couple of hours, then it would be ok. And please, stop those comments about having the means to your disposal to make a buff-bot, but refusing to do so cuz it ruins the game in your opinion... ....rather hypocritical if you ask me...face it, fights aren't fair and never will be, so quit the whining and just play mebbe

 

[PJS]

Originally posted by eynar

buffs are a part of the game, where someone gets them is irrelevant.

on the contrary, the origin of those buffs is VERY relevant. Buffbot buffs are different from player buffs in several important ways.

 

[Danamyr]

I think this should be broken down into two seperate issues...

1. Is it fair to have a buff bot in PvE? I'd argue yes. Why not take advantage of the speedier levelling this allows? We all know what a grind levelling can be, and if you'd like to get to BG1 quickly, or even just to Lvl 50 quickly, then what's the harm?

2. Is it fair to have a buff bot in PvP? I'd argue no here. I was raised with an old fashioned outlook on life - if you want to beat someone then do it fair and square. Using a bot is clearly giving you an advantage.

Of course this post will change nothing, but I'd like you all to stop viewing buff bots in such a singular way - they do have their uses.

P.S. Before anyone asks - I haven't got one myself

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Danamyr

1. Is it fair to have a buff bot in PvE? I'd argue yes. Why not take advantage of the speedier levelling this allows? We all know what a grind levelling can be, and if you'd like to get to BG1 quickly, or even just to Lvl 50 quickly, then what's the harm?

2. Is it fair to have a buff bot in PvP? I'd argue no here. I was raised with an old fashioned outlook on life - if you want to beat someone then do it fair and square. Using a bot is clearly giving you an advantage.

Why should you break it down like this?

What about those poor goblins and ogres which have no voice on these boards? I'm sure they have it bad enough when full groups of 'adventurers' turn up and spoil their evening strolls and picnics, but to now be told that it's 'okay' if someone turns up and PWNZ0RS them solo just because they have a buffbot. In my opinion, more consideration should be shown to these creatures merely because they don't come spamming these boards with useless, drivelling whines about being killed day in, day out. (Okay, so some of them do complain in-game about certain things - like the weather, for example. But I haven't seen 1 post on a forum about it just yet).


So I say fair treatment to all. If you are going to be an advocate of buffbots against ghouls, then you MUST be consistent and support buffbots against other 'adventurers'. Otherwise I'd say you have absolutely no integrity!

 

[BrassMonkey]

Against

 

[oldgit]

nothing wrong with buff bots what so ever, cant see why ppl start a thread on it, and before you ask no i dont own a buff bot, and i dont know if i ever will, but i know ppl in game that do, and if i see there bot at atk i will pm them to see if any buffs are going free,

 

[domin8or]

This is post redicilous. Buffbot is nothing but a Shaman specced in aug. It's nothing illegal or unfair going on there. Imo there is nothing wrong with Shaman's specced in Aug.