football violence

[Jopasc]

Athena, you must have some brain if calling people from Croydon Chav's is the best reply you can make to my post :kissit:

 

[Athena]

Jops sorry didn't see your post! Must have already gone tho.
That Recipe is spot on

http://www.chavscum.co.uk for your enjoyment jops

 

[Bunnytwo]

No. It's just (normally) just a bunch of racist arseholes that cause this country problems when supporting our nation abroad.

Don't think the majority of the violence is anything to do with racism, its more that the people want to fight, they might use race and nationalism as a cover, but I'm sure they're just as ready to glass someone of their own race/religion/region if they thought that they could get away with it. You don't see holiganism going on at international rugby matches, though that might have something to do with the fact that you'd have to have a bit of a deathwish to start trying to act all hard fighting with a bunch of 20+ stone forwards ready to take your head off.

 

[mank!]

don’t give me that...... football violence is caused by a ‘minority’ crap either

If you don't want to believe the truth, then there's no point in trying to start a discussion is there? It's interesting how some people are allowed to troll, yet others get banned as fast as you can imagine.

I also resent being labelled a football hooligan.

Oh, and 83 arrests is probably no higher than a normal Saturday night where everyone's been out on the lash anyway.

 

[Lazarus]

harsh reality is that "Football Hooliganism" (term used loosely) IS caused by a minority of twats who like to cause problems.

If you check up on some facts, VERY often the trouble is caused by elements who dont even SUPPORT football, but know that they can get their kicks by starting trouble at matches.

 

[Athena]

If you don't want to believe the truth, then there's no point in trying to start a discussion is there? It's interesting how some people are allowed to troll, yet others get banned as fast as you can imagine.

I also resent being labelled a football hooligan.

Oh, and 83 arrests is probably no higher than a normal Saturday night where everyone's been out on the lash anyway.

Football violence sucks. Is that true?
Did I refer to you as a hooligan? NO I dont think I did actually.
So far as trolling... yeah I manage to get away with that
Dont bother to reply, I'm bored of being bashed and I've better things to do with my time.

 

[Athena]

Lasarus I was merely making the point that footy violence sucks. If some of you think that's ok fairynuff.

 

[Lazarus]

Lasarus I was merely making the point that footy violence sucks. If some of you think that's ok fairynuff.

Athena - I dont think ANYONE of a sane mind thinks that football violence is acceptable.

Where I'm from there are 2 main Football Clubs - Rangers and Celtic

The level of some violence because of the club u support is sickening (people have been killed on the street because they wore the wrong colour of top in the wrong area of town.

football is a sport to enjoy regardless of the end score. There are more important things in life than football matches.

 

[SilverHood]

Was trouble in Bournemouth too... was a big fight in the big pub (Litten Tree) , with tables and chairs flying. It spilled onto the street, and then police arrived. People started waving flags abou shouting Engeland engeland on the road outside the pub (main road to center of Bournemouth), and generally being morons. They probably only did it to obstruct traffic....
Being Morons, they should have realised the Police station is less than a minutes walk away.... and within 30 seconds riot police with dogs had arrived to disperse the crowd.

 

[mank!]

Football violence sucks. Is that true?

Yes. Where did I say otherwise?

Did I refer to you as a hooligan? NO I dont think I did actually.

By implying that football violence is not caused by the minority you inferred that it is caused by the majority of football fans. I am a football fan, ergo you lumped me in with those violent thugs who are the minority. Believe me, I am in a better position to comment on this than you. I have followed my team all over the country and I've never seen any violence, just banter.

Football violence is caused by a minority, far too often the media make people like you believe that all football fans are violent hooligans who like nothing more to get drunk and fight in the name of football. Primarily football violence happens away from grounds and is pre-arranged between rival firms who use football as something to disguise their natural urges to fight one another. It has very little to do with football, if anything, and these people should NOT be considered football fans just as I and the 6,000 odd people I go to football with every week should not be considered football hooligans just because the media told you so.

 

[Athena]

Lazarus you dont need to explain. Sadly I live in Glasgow (& Russia) so I know exactly where you are coming from.
As they say in these parts.... football or bust.

 

[mank!]

Again, the Celtic/Rangers rivalry has more to do with religion than it does football.

 

[Athena]

mank it's kinda what you implied hun. I do apologise if I implied you were a thug, I can assure you that wasn't my intent. However where I live I'm sick to death of the constant bigotry... Lazarus know's what I mean living in Scotland. Just seems to me that many (not necessarily the majority) ppl use a match as an excuse to go for a pint. Nothing wrong with that I agree but it's when ppl start abusing it, that's when it becomes a problem. PPL just get tanked up and lash out. Yeah you see it down town on a Saturday night but I would have thought a football match was about the sport and not the drinking which seems to go along with it these days.

 

[Athena]

Again, the Celtic/Rangers rivalry has more to do with religion than it does football.

So they say. Kinda different perspective on that living up here.

 

[Bullitt]

I don't think anyone is saying football violence is a good thing. It's more the point that your suggesting football is the inevitable cause of this, whilst this may be true to an extent the ones that cause the violence use it as an excuse, not a reason. Take away football and the violence would still be there under some other false banner. I believe it's in similar vein to protest marches and suchlike, people don't beleive in reason x they just have an excuse to smash up some places and get away with it.

Again, I think the media has alot to blame for this kind of hysteria where it's really not necessary at all as it a) heightens fears of the general public and incites hatred towards football fans b) consequently increases police presence that then may c) act as a provocative to the minority who decide to start something.

On a similar note i heard that police were not arresting people for smoking cannabis/marijuana during Euro 2004 in the hopes that people would be more relaxed and friendly. Step in the right direction imo.

 

[Lazarus]

On a similar note i heard that police were not arresting people for smoking cannabis/marijuana during Euro 2004 in the hopes that people would be more relaxed and friendly. Step in the right direction imo.

Is that in England (Britain) or just in Portugal.

I heard the same but assumed it was only in Portugal.

 

[mank!]

mank it's kinda what you implied hun. I do apologise if I implied you were a thug, I can assure you that wasn't my intent. However where I live I'm sick to death of the constant bigotry... Lazarus know's what I mean living in Scotland. Just seems to me that many (not necessarily the majority) ppl use a match as an excuse to go for a pint. Nothing wrong with that I agree but it's when ppl start abusing it, that's when it becomes a problem. PPL just get tanked up and lash out. Yeah you see it down town on a Saturday night but I would have thought a football match was about the sport and not the drinking which seems to go along with it these days.

For many, although not for me as I seldom drink, going to see your football team involves going for a few prematch pints, watching the football and singing to support your team and then repeat this next Saturday afternoon. It's not just about the sport, it's not just about the occasion - that is football and there's nothing wrong with that. You are always going to get people who can't handle their drink and cause trouble as a result, but then they probably do exactly the same when they go out on a Friday/Saturday night, same with thousands of people who don't go to football. Not everyone gets violent when they are drunk.

I feel very strongly about this, everytime there is a big England game and there are a few incidents people who have no interest or understanding of football come out and take the high morale ground and call us all hooligans. I hate to be associated with those mindless violent thugs and they truly are the minority, anyone with an interest in the game will tell you that and no statistics or media bullshit will prove otherwise.

Unfortunately, football and especially England have had a rather unhealthy relationship with violence and racism. Although I've never seen violence at a football game I've seen racism. Usually, it'll be one idiot who calls one of the black players a ****** and everyone screams at him to shut up and they usually get a nice escort out of the ground by the old bill, but for some reason the racism aspect is blown out of proportion when England play. Perhaps this is due to the nationalist slant and the increasing rise of the BNP, either way, it really is in the minority now. If you think it's bad now, you should have gone to football in the 70's and 80's. Obviously, I didn't but I've heard plenty of stories from my Dad to get a decent picture of it.

Anyway, it really really fucks me off when people label me a football hooligan whether they intend it or not. I love football and it upsets me when people who know only what the media hype has told them label the game as a disgrace and all fans as hooligans. It's not true.

 

[Athena]

mank will you be told I didn't intend to imply you were a bloody thug! You don’t have to keep justifying yourself.

I accept (and especially here) football is just a way of life for some ppl. It’s beer, cheer, rinse and repeat etc…

Almost a dumb question this…. How do ppl like you (normal football fans) disassociate from actual ppl who are there to cause problems?

I remember seeing a documentary some time ago about ‘organised gangs’ who attended football matches just purely to cause aggravation. That’s the sort of thing I’m kind of at a loss about.

 

[Athena]

Meant to add mank... yeah I guess because I'm in no way involved in the support of football, like many others I have rely on the media which gives me the impression that's not a good thing

 

[Bullitt]

Is that in England (Britain) or just in Portugal.

I heard the same but assumed it was only in Portugal.

afaik it's just Portugal .

 

[mank!]

mank will you be told I didn't intend to imply you were a bloody thug! You don’t have to keep justifying yourself.

It doesn't matter if you intended it or not, it's not just you, it's the whole of the media and the general populace who insist on being ignorant to it all to live in their "safe" world.

I accept (and especially here) football is just a way of life for some ppl. It’s beer, cheer, rinse and repeat etc…

Almost a dumb question this…. How do ppl like you (normal football fans) disassociate from actual ppl who are there to cause problems?

I remember seeing a documentary some time ago about ‘organised gangs’ who attended football matches just purely to cause aggravation. That’s the sort of thing I’m kind of at a loss about.

If you're talking how to tell who is there to cause trouble and who isn't, it's fairly easy. In England you have football casuals, so-called because they go to football wearing casual clothes - Stone Island being a particular favourite - and don't wear any team colours at all. These are the people who instigate the banter and can be cocks, however, quite a lot of them are pretty decent but choose to watch football differently. It's usually people in replica shirts and team colours who are the friendly fans. People like me, the majority.

I disassociate myself quite easily because I know I'm there for the football and to see my team, get angry and the referee, swear a lot, and hopefully go home happy. You have to be a particular type of person to want to go and stand and watch your team away at Chesterfield on a freezing cold January afternoon and get beaten 3-0. They are the true football fans.

 

[Driwen]

did anyone actually did a research on why those fans actually fight and if there was no football, would they cause trouble with some other excuse? Which would be the case I guess.
Basically its just holigans who wants to fight and rivalry between clubs gives them a reason to do that, but even without sport they will probably find some reason to fight.

 

[Doh_boy]

The thing is in portugal it's not illegal to posses canabis but it is to use it. What the portugese have said is that they won't charge anyone for using it. Not that much of a jump really.

 

[Athena]

mank I don’t even set foot out of the door in Jan/Feb hehe
What a shame some have to spoil it for others.
Question tho. Do the ppl who actually go to matches and cause trouble deliberately get tanked up prior to the game? I mean is beer induced behavior the reason behind football violence or is it more of a deep rooted issue?

 

[Munkey]

bloody tennis hooligans. I remember the riots when Henry lost at wimbledon! I'll just say i'm glad all the strawberry and cream makes them too fat to get out of their seats and properly fight

 

[mank!]

Question tho. Do the ppl who actually go to matches and cause trouble deliberately get tanked up prior to the game? I mean is beer induced behavior the reason behind football violence or is it more of a deep rooted issue?

I think you've missed the point. The trouble usually happens away from football grounds and on the rare occasions it does happen inside the ground, it's nothing to do with football or pre-match rituals. It's just a bunch of fucking idiots wanting to start a fight. These people probably do have deep rooted issues though, such as being utter knobs.

 

[Athena]

Oh
So the violence isn't usually at the ground itself. Still lost as to why they do it.

 

[mank!]

Same reason people fight on Saturday nights when they're out on the lash. They enjoy it.

 

[Athena]

Same reason people fight on Saturday nights when they're out on the lash. They enjoy it.

LOL the lash??

 

[jaba]

There was almost a riot in the pub I was in last night, I dont normally get into the whole hype of football but last night was just kinda different, I got into the spirit, sang, cheered, jeered and was devastated when we lost...however I could deal with it all, as was everyone else until some stupid french bint thought it would be a great idea to open up her trap and start chanting at the top of her lungs intentionaly trying to piss off the few hundred england supporters around her and her mates... I mean how fucking stupid and arrogant can you be? In a foreign country, your team has just won in a pathetic manner, and you gloat, in front of hundreds of upset possibly drunk fans. I swear the only thing that stopped 20 blokes piling on her and beating seven shades of shit out of her was the fact that she was a woman..even then the abuse some of the fans were shouting was enough to make me think they were gonna do it anyway.

I dont condone violence at all but I felt proper shit last night, dunno about you lot. We were robbed.