[Football] United v Liverpool

[cHodAX]

So far so good. Masher lost the plot, 4-5 times he approached the ref after Liverpool commited fouls and he had to go.

 

[Calaen]

He deserved to go, talk about giving the ref an easy decision.

United have had a couple of good half chances and deserve the lead.

 

[cHodAX]

It is a shame for Liverpool as he had been thier best player so far today, Talkpsport have just confirmed it though as 5 times he questioned the referee in the first half and on two of the occasions he was swearing. He had to go and hopefully it sets an example to the remaining 21 players on the pitch.

 

[Calaen]

fucking andy pisshead grey defending the player.

He had been giving him shit all half.

 

[soze]

Listen to Andy Gray what a tosser listen to him Mache had to reason to go over there and this gray pricks making it out that you stop players throwing a strop and you remove passion from the game. I think Mache may have deserved one more warning a you approach me when you not involved again and your off. But he had no business over there.

And i have said a fair few times even though it will hurt Arsenal i think only captins and the play involved should go near the ref.

 

[Corran]

As said in the other thread:

Not been the most exciting game as of yet but been some great play and been enjoyable anyways.

Lovely ball in by Rooney but Reina seems like he was on the lash last night as he made so many mistakes. Think it time to stick Brown as centre forward. With luck like that allowing you to score with your back who needs skillful forwards

As for the sending off... predictable and credit to the ref for having the guts to do it. After the first booking I said he wouldnt last the match, after the first time he swore at the ref after the booking I said he would probably get booked for dissent... and he did.

Lets see if united can make the most of this opportunity and smash Liverpool in the second half... however that is not gonna be easy for us to do as they are a compact unit as is, and they will be even tighter

And typical Gray wanting to defend the Masch... it probably the fact it was constant through the first half that made him send him off in the end

 

[cHodAX]

Andy Gray is making a right twat of himself, priceless!

 

[Calaen]

Andersons passing has been superb.

 

[cHodAX]

Andersons passing has been superb.

His bloody shooting hasn't

 

[Calaen]

oh yes double salvo

 

[cHodAX]

Party time, scatter!

 

[soze]

3-0 up and Ronaldo still falls over as easy as anything God i hate him

 

[Calaen]

well rooney stayed on his feet in the first half and if he had of fell over we would have had a penalty. Until the refs start giving them the players feel like they have to fall over.

 

[Corran]

Solid result in the end. Cracking goal by Nani, on his day that lad hits some unstoppable balls. Once more Nani has also shown what he brings to the game with his balls into the box. Lost count of the amount of goals he been involved in through his crossing ability, especially from a dead ball.

 

[Ormorof]

great goals, how stupid was mascherano?!? he argued with the ref even when it was in their favour him and torres both muppets

would love to know why and what he said though

 

[Vladamir]

great goals, how stupid was mascherano?!? he argued with the ref even when it was in their favour him and torres both muppets

would love to know why and what he said though

Ay, ay, calm down calm down

 

[Golena]

Think the ref should probably of taken him to one side and let him know very clearly that once more and he'd get a second yellow before actually producing it.

That said i'm not a fan of players constantly bickering over descisions so it's nice to see something happen about it. Just a shame that it seems it has to be either nothing or completely over the top. Somewhere in the middle of today and normal would make sense to me and I think the ref could certainly of handled it better.. Think it was based more on what's happened over the rest of the week than simply on what happened today which is a shame.

 

[Corran]

Think the ref should probably of taken him to one side and let him know very clearly that once more and he'd get a second yellow before actually producing it.

That said i'm not a fan of players constantly bickering over descisions so it's nice to see something happen about it. Just a shame that it seems it has to be either nothing or completely over the top. Somewhere in the middle of today and normal would make sense to me and I think the ref could certainly of handled it better.. Think it was based more on what's happened over the rest of the week than simply on what happened today which is a shame.

Apparently Bennett got slammed by his bosses for not walking on the pitch and sending Cashley off mid-week when he was forth official (seems strange comment as it upto the actual ref imo).

That probably had something to do with it, but at least 5 times Masch was arguing with the ref, a few of them included swearing at him. Including the constant f*** off's when he was booked first time.

Any player with sense knows what gonna happen after the stated clamp down that was to begin, and the only player that should have spoke to the ref in that instance was Gerrard, Masch had no reason to run half the width of the pitch to get in ref's face. No need to give any further warnings, especially after his own player tried to stop him and calm him down and he refused, things were always gonna get out of hand from that point.

Anyways, time to go watch the 2nd match. Lets see if it be as fun

 

[Tasslehoff]

Anyone who's able to produce a link with the goals?

 

[Golena]

Apparently Bennett got slammed by his bosses for not walking on the pitch and sending Cashley off mid-week when he was forth official (seems strange comment as it upto the actual ref imo).

That probably had something to do with it, but at least 5 times Masch was arguing with the ref, a few of them included swearing at him. Including the constant f*** off's when he was booked first time.

Yeah like I said I can't really argue too much about it.

I just think a better ref would of pulled him aside during one of the earlier incidents and given him a warning (next time your off) instead of just ignoring him during the other 5 which might of made him think twice. It's the see-sawing between never handing out yellows for descent for 8 months followed by waving a yellow at every word said overnight that i'm not fond of.
It's not like every other footballer i've watched in the last year hasn't been seen mouthing F words at every descision that's been handed out. There's been warnings from the press all week so he was stupid sure, but what he did hundreds of players this season have done and had nothing happen. If your going to change the rules suddenly, at least give the players some signs it's coming on the day.

 

[Golly]

well rooney stayed on his feet in the first half and if he had of fell over we would have had a penalty. Until the refs start giving them the players feel like they have to fall over.

Would have had to see caragher go as well tbh, he was the last man.

Anderson got fouled, pretty sure the ref was being kind giving that as a free kick

On at least 3 occasions ron wasnt given free kicks that could have been given

Wasnt all against liverpool by any stretch of the imagination

United 1/4 on to win now:england:

Just a side note though, comparing the football over the 2 matches today, Man U do play much better football than the other 2 sides, they keep the ball with deft passing until an oppertunity arises, both teams in the other big game rely on either very fast moving football thats fairly direct and involves the one front man moving off the back line or simple down the wings counter attacking, United hit from every angle, anyone else see that?

 

[Corran]

Yeah like I said I can't really argue too much about it.

I just think a better ref would of pulled him aside during one of the earlier incidents and given him a warning (next time your off) instead of just ignoring him during the other 5 which might of made him think twice. It's the see-sawing between never handing out yellows for descent for 8 months followed by waving a yellow at every word said overnight that i'm not fond of.
It's not like every other footballer i've watched in the last year hasn't been seen mouthing F words at every descision that's been handed out. There's been warnings from the press all week so he was stupid sure, but what he did hundreds of players this season have done and had nothing happen. If your going to change the rules suddenly, at least give the players some signs it's coming on the day.

The ref actually did give him a warning when he sent him off it looks. First time Masch spoke to him after charging up it looks like he pointed to the tunnel and warned him go away or your walking. He opened his mouth again and so I guess the ref had enough.

Was watching the highlights keeping in mind what Benetiz had said about Babel hearing every word... trying to work out how because I didnt see Babel anywhere near it. Alonso and Aurelio I believe were the 2 players closest and didnt even see Babel which is .... odd. But expected nothing but him to defend the player.

 

[Vladamir]

Lets not forget Mascherano went up to the ref 6 times to have a go at him before being sent off - he was hardly given unfair warning

 

[Achilles]

To an extent Mash was made an example of after what Wankly Cole did on Wed. Both deserved to be sent off, Cole for the challenge and for his stupid little tantrum. Was absolutely devasted last night, i deliberately didnt look at teletext all day, turned my phone off etc so i could watch it on motd later. Hard to tell what Liverpool players played well or badly because in the highlights i think the only peice of Liverpool play shown was Aurelio's shank across goal. Score line should have read Spain 2 United 1 tbh. Reina speaks for himself, but Alonso needs to get some strength. Both in Ronaldo's goal and in his feeble attempts to hold Mash back. Dont want to watch or read anything about football for the next 5 days .

 

[Corran]

To an extent Mash was made an example of after what Wankly Cole did on Wed. Both deserved to be sent off, Cole for the challenge and for his stupid little tantrum. Was absolutely devasted last night, i deliberately didnt look at teletext all day, turned my phone off etc so i could watch it on motd later. Hard to tell what Liverpool players played well or badly because in the highlights i think the only peice of Liverpool play shown was Aurelio's shank across goal. Score line should have read Spain 2 United 1 tbh. Reina speaks for himself, but Alonso needs to get some strength. Both in Ronaldo's goal and in his feeble attempts to hold Mash back. Dont want to watch or read anything about football for the next 5 days .

Liverpool literally done nothing the whole game, that be why there was nothing to show. Gerrard did not turn up at all for the match, Torres was just out the game totally. He made one skillful run into the box then got smashed by about 3 united players tackling him at the same time. Other then that and the Aurelio shot nothing happened.

To be quite frank, even with the major blunders (ie 2 flaps and a funny throw out to Anderson amoungst them) Reina was by far your best player. Without him it would have been 6 or 7 goals.
Defence? They were poor and let in United to often. Hardly a good tackle to speak about. And the tracking of runs was non existant.
Midfield? Didnt get near the ball. United simply passed around them all day long and they never looked like getting close. Anderson and Scholes were supreme though in their distribution.
Attack? Babel made I think 2 good runs all match but either put a poor cross in or ran into trouble. Torres put a single good run in, other then that he rarely go near ball. And Kuyt... well I wont say what I think of him, but he was nowhere to be seen the whole match.

Liverpool were so poor, at times I forgot that Gerrard Kuyt and Torres were playing. The match was only made exciting to watch due to some slick football by united and Reina being Grobler mode!

 

[cHodAX]

Thought Reina did well apart from the 2 crosses and at least he kept the score respectable because it looked like it could have been a rout at one point. I have to disagree with Corran though, he was not Liverpool's best player. That was Mascherano before he was sent off, he had been doing a brilliant job of closing Scholes and Anderson down when they were running with the ball plus he had swept things up at the back a couple of times as well. He didn't put any passes astray and his energy levels were excellent. That is why it was such a shame for Liverpool to have lost him because frankly you could have sent Gerrard or Kyut off and no one would have noticed but from the moment Mascherano walked Liverpool were dire.

 

[Corran]

Thought Reina did well apart from the 2 crosses and at least he kept the score respectable because it looked like it could have been a rout at one point. I have to disagree with Corran though, he was not Liverpool's best player. That was Mascherano before he was sent off, he had been doing a brilliant job of closing Scholes and Anderson down when they were running with the ball plus he had swept things up at the back a couple of times as well. He didn't put any passes astray and his energy levels were excellent. That is why it was such a shame for Liverpool to have lost him because frankly you could have sent Gerrard or Kyut off and no one would have noticed but from the moment Mascherano walked Liverpool were dire.

Was gonna mention masch pre-sent off... but the way he acted when got sent of made me disregard all the good work he done beforehand. Simply acting like he did after he got the card was always going to throw the rest of the team even further into chaos then they were before.

 

[Achilles]

Liverpool literally done nothing the whole game, that be why there was nothing to show. Gerrard did not turn up at all for the match, Torres was just out the game totally. He made one skillful run into the box then got smashed by about 3 united players tackling him at the same time. Other then that and the Aurelio shot nothing happened.

To be quite frank, even with the major blunders (ie 2 flaps and a funny throw out to Anderson amoungst them) Reina was by far your best player. Without him it would have been 6 or 7 goals.
Defence? They were poor and let in United to often. Hardly a good tackle to speak about. And the tracking of runs was non existant.
Midfield? Didnt get near the ball. United simply passed around them all day long and they never looked like getting close. Anderson and Scholes were supreme though in their distribution.
Attack? Babel made I think 2 good runs all match but either put a poor cross in or ran into trouble. Torres put a single good run in, other then that he rarely go near ball. And Kuyt... well I wont say what I think of him, but he was nowhere to be seen the whole match.

Liverpool were so poor, at times I forgot that Gerrard Kuyt and Torres were playing. The match was only made exciting to watch due to some slick football by united and Reina being Grobler mode!

Agree with almost all of what you have said. I think even with 11 we would have lost by atleast 2. Ferdinand was all over Torres all game and was made easier for him by Gerrard, Babel and Kuyt not supporting him at all. I didnt hear Gerrard or Kuyt mentioned once and the only time i saw Gerrard was when he made the noob error of being drawn to the ball so Rooney could play in Nani. Thats why it was so disapointing, i dont feel like we were robbed of a result because of the red card, Man U were robbed of embaressing us beyond what i thought was possible.

Dont know who Gerrard is kidding, we are never going to win the title in his playing career. He is 27 now, soon we are going to have to rebuild our defence (Carragher 30+ and Finnan 29+) Skretal is unproven, Agger is injury prone, Aurelio and Riise are average at best. We lack a decent right winger, Babel is good but not consistent and we also lack supporting strikers and back up for if Torres is injured. So in total lacking about 6 players that would be comparable in standard to the top 3's equivalent in those positions. So we are talking Gallas, Ferdinand, Clichy, Tevez, Anelka, J. Cole. Those standard of player and we need to get hold of them in the next 4 years.......... not going to happen.

 

[Gibbo]

Whilst Mascherano has no defence and deserved to be sent off, a better referee would have avoided the situation altogether by talking to the player and/or his captain before it came to sending him off.

Also, anyone else feel that Mascherano and Liverpool have paid for what Cole and Chelsea did last Wednesday (something they do every game and should have been punished for long ago)

 

[cHodAX]

Whilst Mascherano has no defence and deserved to be sent off, a better referee would have avoided the situation altogether by talking to the player and/or his captain before it came to sending him off.

Also, anyone else feel that Mascherano and Liverpool have paid for what Cole and Chelsea did last Wednesday (something they do every game and should have been punished for long ago)

Rubbish.

The guy was constantly badgering the referee the entire first half. On 6 occasions he questioned the referees judgement, 3 of those times he actually approached the referee and he was caught multiple times on camera swearing at the man in black as well. He had to go, no excuses. To make excuses is to condone his behaviour and that is completely unacceptable.