Football - Offside Rule

[soze]

So in a day where united are given an offside goal and Arsenal were denied a good goal (not bitter ) the ref told Wenger this.

Yes, the referee explained to me that the intention of our player was to play the ball to one of our players, who was offside, so the deflection of the ball doesn't count anymore. I didn't know that but, at least I learned something today

So basically if one of your players plans to pass the ball forward thats enough for off side even if your player does not pass it. This new rule is fucking crazy all of the passive offsite bollocks was one thing but this is insane.

 

[Bujsgioshdgijoaeriop]

Go back to the old rule: If you're offside, you're offside, no if's no but's. (Unless the ball is played off an opposition player).

 

[Blackjack]

The ref is not wrong. If the intention was to pass the player in the offside position, whether an opponent hits it or not is besides the point. However, if the intention was to pass to the offside positioned player, but the pass is deflected and picked up by a player NOT in the offside position when the ball was passed. That should not be an offside.

The official word says that he is offside IF he gains advantage from his position; Playing a ball, that rebounds to him off an opponent, having previously been in an offside position.

 

[soze]

The ref is not wrong. If the intention was to pass the player in the offside position, whether an opponent hits it or not is besides the point. However, if the intention was to pass to the offside positioned player, but the pass is deflected and picked up by a player NOT in the offside position when the ball was passed. That should not be an offside.

Basically Adeb was off side the ball was going to Van Persie but Botang from the other team passed the ball through to the Arsenal player. So an arsenal player never played the ball through but because Van Persie would have played the ball thats offside, I am sorry but makes no sence to me.

 

[Blackjack]

Basically Adeb was off side the ball was going to Van Persie but Botang from the other team passed the ball through to the Arsenal player. So an arsenal player never played the ball through but because Van Persie would have played the ball thats offside, I am sorry but makes no sence to me.

Wish it was up on youtube, so i could have a look at it ^^ would make it a lot easier.

 

[soze]

Wish it was up on youtube, so i could have a look at it ^^ would make it a lot easier.

Lol yeah its hard to make it sound as simple as it looks but ill try again.

Arsenal Player 1 is offside. Arsenal Player 2 is not offside. The ball is passed to Arsenal Player 2 but before it reaches him Middlesbrough Player 1 kicks the ball and it falls to Arsenal Player 1 who scores.

So where the rule used to be your only offside if a member of your own team passes you the ball, It seems now because Arsenal Player 2 would have passed it if Middlesbrough Player 1 had not intercepted it that now counts as offside.

 

[cHodAX]

Nevermind Soze, you scored a goal from a corner you should never have had. Eboue fouled Boateng forcing him to play the ball out and you scored from that corner. It all evens itself out in the end.

 

[soze]

Nevermind Soze, you scored a goal from a corner you should never have had. Eboue fouled Boateng forcing him to play the ball out and you scored from that corner. It all evens itself out in the end.

Dont forget there goal came from a foul on our player that got them a free kick.

This is more about the bs rule than us getting screwed though

 

[Calaen]

United's goal was never offside!!!!

I felt sorry for Mido though.

 

[soze]

United's goal was never offside!!!!

I felt sorry for Mido though.

I have not seen Man U goal but they said right away it was off side on Soccer Saturday. But yeah mido did not mean it he did not look at clichey at all foot that high is dangerous play though but there was no intent. Just hope the FA do not turn it to a 4 game ban again when they get the apeal

 

[Unleashed]

I have not seen Man U goal but they said right away it was off side on Soccer Saturday. But yeah mido did not mean it he did not look at clichey at all foot that high is dangerous play though but there was no intent. Just hope the FA do not turn it to a 4 game ban again when they get the apeal

Phil Thompson was doing the Utd game yesterday on soccer saturday, the idiot would say anything to get one over on us.

But the goal was not offside, Todd kept him on, which was clearly shown on MOTD.

 

[Calaen]

Agreed Thompson is a spangle.

Terry should have been sent off yesterday as well the cheating fooker.

 

[kiliarien]

As noted by others, Man U's goal was not offside. And Phil Thompson is indeed a tit :kissit:

As chodax says, it all evened itself out - disallowed one end, corner you shouldn't have had other end - I reckon it would be quite interesting to see a table had all decisions (from a objective point of view) been fair with TV playback etc. I believe there's one mens' mag that did it and surprisingly there wasn't much change in positions or goal difference.

I feel for the referees who are being pressurised more and more each week, yet I also agree decisions need to be right - it's a tough balancing act.

On the offside rule, I'm afraid the rule does state that if you gain unfair advantage from your position then you're offside, but it would be interesting to actually delineate what 'unfair advantage' means - it's all too bloody complicated now!

 

[soze]

What i do not understand is the ball was not played by a Arsenal player so how can it be offside. Like i said this was not meant as a we were robbed thread more a what a stupid rule thread.

 

[cHodAX]

It is a stupid rule no doubt about it. All of our clubs have suffered from it at one time or another but also we have all gained from it on occasion as well. Personally I would like to see it go back to the way it was but this rule was introduced for a reason and that was to boost the number of goals and it has done that. The TV companies want more goals and they drive the direction that football is headed these days so I don't see that rule changing.

 

[Corran]

What i do not understand is the ball was not played by a Arsenal player so how can it be offside. Like i said this was not meant as a we were robbed thread more a what a stupid rule thread.

Cant remember one issue with the goal that was disallowed which would make my decision on if offside or not.

When the ball was first played across towards Van Persie (I think that who was about to receive it). Was ade offside when that initial ball was played?

If yes, then I would come to decision he offside, as though the ball werent directed at him, he was in an offside position at that time and during the same phase of play became active when it was played by the defending player.

If no, then he was on an onside position when the ball was played, and due to it being the defending played that put the ball through to him then he was not offside.

The ref's comments as stated by Arsene seemed strange, but I can only think that he believe the "yes" scenerio above was the situation. The talk about "intention" etc is strange, if indeed he refering that van persie intended to play the ball through (hmm, how does he know there wasnt gone be a shot, ok it is arsenal but van persie is often exception to the rule of walking it in) and even though the defender played it and not van persie the offside stands... is .... a very poor definition of the offside rule.

Mind you, the offside rule as it stands is stupid. Alliedere (sp?) was a strange one as offside on first ball, but not active... however he gained an advantage as it gave him an extra yard on the defender when the ball eventually came in, even if onside on that final ball he gained from the initial offside. grrrr... i hate the new ruling at times And the fact the refs all have different opinions makes it much more difficult... i stand with the "if you on the pitch you are actively effecting the play" group!

 

[soze]

Your right he was offside at first on the first phase but like you said if offside was given because of that the other goal was just as bad.