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The last couple of weeks I have noticed some degradation in the Hibernian rvr. It is true that since the beginning of NF we’ve been pounded quite a lot and on a regular basis (Mids had their share too tho). Albs have the numbers to fight two wars at the same time, there is no argument against that, and the teleportation system makes things even easier for them. At the same time, lacking numbers = lacking claimants. Every so often we take some towers and there’s noone who can claim, as every guild nowadays already has something.

This situation has been coupled with the departure of many players for various reasons, too much change, loss of in-game friends, boredom (happens after some time). Others despair and are not willing to keep on fighting, as reports of 100 albs on nged while a /who 50 gives a number of 150 online tents to bring you down.

Most blame mythic for fucking up the game. I on the other hand, thank mythic for finally introducing some strategy into daoc.

So what you had in OF? Lets see the different options available out there.
Form a group in DL or one of the portal keeps and start some mindless roaming. Kill everything on sight, enjoy some good fights of course, but mostly nothing more than some mindless running around. Sometimes, one could bother enough to take a keep or two to open up df, or even take some people to ff so mids would come out and play, but that was only on some rare occasions and mostly organised on guild bases.

Casual players were mostly screwed as getting toa-d is a pain in the ass, however is a requirement in order to compete effectively out there, hence a prerec to join a proper group. Casually formed groups were formed within 1 hour and split within 1 minute after encountering a formidable adversary.

Anyway, you get the picture. I wont expand more as I don’t know much about group play myself.

In NF you have a landscape that really matters. You have supply chain, teleportation, endless possibilities to enjoy rvr in many different ways. True, those ways might not bring as many rps as in the old style emain, but is everyone playing the game just to farm as many rps as possible? Forgive me if I get this wrong, but it is a game, hence something that we should enjoy, have fun. The status of your character (rp wise, ml wise, etc) is not reflecting your real life status. If you think that it does… well that’s plain sad.

I am definite that most of you have played and enjoyed strategy games in the past. Of course in that situation you’re able to control everything alone, not needing to persuade people to do what you want to do. Still this is the extra enjoyment one can derive from daoc, strategy in a mmorpg environment.

I’m trying to inspire some out of the box thinking here. Let’s see what’ll come out.
 

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Gear

This is the first well constructed Post NF thread i have read on these boards.

I agree with everything you have stated here m8 and look forward to saving your ass from bannachs again soon :clap:
 
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Got alot of points gear, and yes OF was boring, and repeatative - even more then NF can be...
That hib have low nummbers can be explained by alot of things, we have had low nummbers from time to time b4... but it changed. Myself aint active atm and that is b/c of TOA and that my artis lvl really slow and i really cba to logg in atm to PvE :p...

All in all i like NF, a few things needs to be tweaked, and still alot of classes needs to be adressed. (Mythic is a worthless company for not blanced out the game within 3 years, its REALLY bad...)
 

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Well imo i guess NF did bring some good things to the table, aswell the fact that ppl are willing to group more often ... even with lower lvls or ppl with not a tuned toa or arti gear..i think its a good imo ....for the rest i agree with Gear we just will have to wait and see what happens ...I think NF did bring changes into the mindless zerging and roaming and all other ppl screaming in DL LFG for hours , okies true all RR7+ roam groups prolly think its the worse thing ever made but imo now the game is more interesting for more ppl ...just need to use your brain a little ....and i think many ppl dont llike NF cause the rlp dont get in as fast as they used to do :) but who cares at the end its all about having fun no ? you pay to play and have fun not to have Race 50 Race MLs Race Artifacts race RR12 repeat :)...and then say woooow iam so uber i got so many of this and that :) frankly no1 cares if you have 1 lvl 50 on RR1 ML1 or 16 lvl 50 on ML10 RR12 its all about how fun you are in game how you act to other ppl and how loved you make yourself into the realm you play

Well my 2 cents hope its some help i love playing hib/excal may not be the biggest realm but it sure got the biggest heart
Mythic did a Great Job Tnx hugs
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I'd say that we're still adjusting to NF, while OF was running it was a (relatively) simple thing to get a group together and go out ganking various other people around emain. A keep take could be done with 2 - 3 fgs depending on resistance from the other realms.

Now we're faced with the fact we need to work together to get things done, instead of a few guilds co-operating to get DF/relics/keeps back we need to co-operate on a larger scale. Us Hibernians aren't used to doing this and it's going to take a while for us to get organised.

Just my thoughts ofc ;)
 

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Huntingtons said:
i just think its wrong to say OF was mindless roaming...

I feared that wording will come back. No offence intended, by mindless roaming I meant roaming without an objective in mind further that farming rps and having a couple of nice fights.
 

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great thread! Cant contribute anything usefull anymore its all there. just wanted to say its a very good thread. and nice and fun to read.
 
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Gear said:
farming rps and having a couple of nice fights.

Never understood the fun part in "farming rps"... I thought and still think daoc is the most fun when u get those rps and head out solo. Farming rps in emain is as fun as getting TOAed~~ Tho ppl say iam wierd :D
 

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Gear said:
I feared that wording will come back. No offence intended, by mindless roaming I meant roaming without an objective in mind further that farming rps and having a couple of nice fights.


Aye mindless RP farming sucks, AoP took a tower to stop albs porting to hib last night and then we camped the boat drop off point to prevent any albs who released from Nged returning, missed a few stealthers but otherwise killed a few people and our NS at NGed reported the number of albs decreasing.

We didn't get any nice fights there really, in fact it felt a bit lame to be doing it but we felt it was a neccessary job to help the defenders at Nged.

I think we have to be prepared to make tactical decisions in our realm defense, beyond just all rushing into a tower and crossing our fingers.
 

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Culanan said:
AoP took a tower to stop albs porting to hib last night

Aye, one of the best decisions of the evening by you guys. /salute

I tried to run a group in alblandia for some tower grapping, we managed to get one, on the second one we got slightly zerged but brought the door down at least. Vengeance picked it up after us. Mind you, we were a 4-man group and none of us could claim.

I think some conclusions can be drawn from such attempts.

Let’s reflect on how most fights against albs go on these days. Of course you’ll have some high RR groups going around, that’s normal, we should be having some as well, I don’t think they’re actually interested into joining the zerg anyway so we can exclude them from the big picture. Our main problem as a realm is the numbers that albs can summon with such a great ease. However we mostly dismiss them as complete zerglings (incompetent toons, needing to /stick zerg-leader and spam buttons), while on the other hand we’re doing exactly the same thing. Now, don’t tell me there are no ways we can go around the zerg, cause there are.

3 nights ago, I’ve set up 2 trebs on the eastern bridge of bold island. My group consisted of me (ranger) and 2 NSs. We started hitting the wall and drew the attention of around 3 fgs. Compare the numbers here, 3 people keeping 3 fgs occupied for around 15 minutes (and bringing down a section of the wall to 90%). I’m pretty sure that a fop+PB/shroom group with trebs, cannot only keep albs occupied, can give em a heavy run for their money. At the same time with some proper co-ordination, that distraction can help out an invading force into taking some key towers to prevent teleportation.

Other lessons to be learned. Invest into siege equipment. Heal ram users. Stay close to the walls to avoid snipers (well that can be negated but I won’t say how as scouts haven’t figured that out yet). If a group with a ranger, champion, warden and a 45 vw, can take 1 tower and bring down the door of a second one before getting wipped, I’m pretty sure there are many things we can do once we realise our full potential and get over that pathetic loser-like attitude that’s dominating nowadays.
 

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Now bring back some more old hibbies and get that realm rolling again :)
 

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Gear said:
I feared that wording will come back. No offence intended, by mindless roaming I meant roaming without an objective in mind further that farming rps and having a couple of nice fights.

well ;p i enjoyed OF i didn't enjoy NF at all... so it wasn't just a coupple of nice fights... there were alot more to it
 

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Good post and a good attitude :clap:

just wanted to say a quick thanks to all the hibbies who stayed strong and helped defend/repair nged - and those who stopped albs porting and ofc those who took back our keeps/twrs.

I miss OF but i also like a lot about NF :)

dont be hard on hibbies who are getting annoyed - as there no denying we have serious problems with our current numbers and from time to time its bound to piss off even the calmest person.
 

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it wasnt about farming realm points, most of us couldnt care less about farming realm points, fact is we liked the fights.. whats fun about chargeing into 5 fg albs and 5fg hibs theres no skill involved.. its basically whoever presses a button first.. and fg on fg fight its all about who can out skill the other and ofc its a bit about luck. You say u like 1 on 1.. well to other classes fg v fg is the same thing it requires skill to win, u all have to work together to make the group work.. alot harder than soloing since you have to actually trust and depend on others. Before u start with soloing many older stealthers will know me from odins gate when i solo'd often, infact most of the way to rr6. (i grouped some also but i solod most of the time or duo'd with Tali)

Do you see how boreing hitting a keep door is, u spend all that time lvlin an artiact just to go hit a door with it.. yay.. or u get this kick ass template made thats cost u like 80plat and u go door bashing.. wot fun! NF is boreing as hell, not just cos of the zergs but what u need to do to play it, its all about keep takeing and defence. I dont pay subs to hit doors all day then camp a keep in the hope someone comes by i can get some fun from.

Let me ask you something if u played a tank for 3 years, haveing fun in emain in fg fights, trying to avoid keep takes cos they where boreing, would u play a version of the game where u have to take keeps constantly to compete?
 

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Well, let me clear a thing or two. I'm not in favour of bashing doors, use rams instead. Also taking towers means that essentially you invite people to come out and play, and thanks to that map you also give em a visual indicator on where the fight takes place. I understand that you derive pleasure from open field battles, very reasonable, and I'm not telling you that you should abandon that.

Example. Hitting random tower (a spire preferably). Even if the enemy has the ability to teleport to that keep, they still have a considerable distance to travel in order to reach the besieged tower. I'd be very glad to know that an OF emain group was roaming between the tower and the keep to hold the incoming force in bay.

Don't get me wrong people. All I want to say is that if we all play together, we can all enjoy our prefered way of playing and enhance our gaming experience.
 

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if you put a gank grp in charge of killing incomming the random champs ;p would stop bashing the doors and run with 'em because he wants rvr... he would attack the first target that he saw (which probably would be messed) and ruin it for the fg :/ normally, people experienced with rvr hit what they can so they get most rp's... newbies are more "rp horney" than the averge ganker
 

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Very good thread m8 and i agree with you 100% although my tank does not have as much a role in NF as a lot or range is needed at times he still can rvr unlike old OF where he cldnt get grps even after 1 hour of trying or even trying to arrange grps and peeps got fed up of waiting around and left before it started.

Also tactics are needed a lot more and im sure us hibs with tactics and the new 1.71 patch coming out can give the albs a run for there money
 

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Gear said:
Don't get me wrong people. All I want to say is that if we all play together, we can all enjoy our prefered way of playing and enhance our gaming experience.

But many of the people leavings prefered way to play was not to take keeps and to play fg v fg.. thats why they are leaving. I myself have 1 day i am coming on to say bye to everyone and play with afew friends.. as i promised them i would.. also i have some unfinished buisness, and gotta pass my plats and stuff to a friend or 2. It will probably be my first time playing NF properly (cos the peeps i play with will take me RvR) and i have no intention of staying even if its really good and i make alot of rps.. simply cos i know it wont be as good as WoW, and i just dont wanna play DAoC anymore.
I see your point completely, but the problem is even an OF group wouldnt be able to do diddly against 10fg albs.. and thats what the games become, zerg or be zerged.. and if u zerg prepare to be zerged harder, not fun to me, but to those it is fun to.. good, somethings apeal to others more than they do to thier peers.
 

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Vantros of the Delerium said:
But many of the people leavings prefered way to play was not to take keeps and to play fg v fg.. thats why they are leaving. I myself have 1 day i am coming on to say bye to everyone and play with afew friends.. as i promised them i would.. also i have some unfinished buisness, and gotta pass my plats and stuff to a friend or 2. It will probably be my first time playing NF properly (cos the peeps i play with will take me RvR) and i have no intention of staying even if its really good and i make alot of rps.. simply cos i know it wont be as good as WoW, and i just dont wanna play DAoC anymore.
I see your point completely, but the problem is even an OF group wouldnt be able to do diddly against 10fg albs.. and thats what the games become, zerg or be zerged.. and if u zerg prepare to be zerged harder, not fun to me, but to those it is fun to.. good, somethings apeal to others more than they do to thier peers.
This is why things are going down hill, some people simply refuse to adjust. It's their choice to do this but it seem a bit hypocritcal them QQ about how hib can't stand against the alb hordes. We can stand against them we just need to organise ourselves.
The people make the game, if we all decide we're not going to have fun, not even going to bother fighting back then the game really will get dull.

<Note: This isn't aimed at Vantros specifically but the attitude displayed in his post>
 

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Zerg or be zerged? hardly there is still plenty of fg action to be found, If you roam it is easy to avoid the zerg and there is so many people in frontiers it is easy to find action. People who think otherwise just cant adjust to not being able to rely on emain for the fg vs fg action.

Gear, these are good thoughts I hope people take note.
 

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Merrilow said:
This is why things are going down hill, some people simply refuse to adjust. It's their choice to do this but it seem a bit hypocritcal them QQ about how hib can't stand against the alb hordes. We can stand against them we just need to organise ourselves.
The people make the game, if we all decide we're not going to have fun, not even going to bother fighting back then the game really will get dull.

<Note: This isn't aimed at Vantros specifically but the attitude displayed in his post>

I honestly dont see why i should justify myself but its this simple, but before you open your mouth about hypocracy think about this, if we dont want to play the game cos we dont like it, why should we? no one has said we cant compete when they hav left, but lots of people still playing keep saying it. Fact is Hib could compete with some of the higher RR stayed, but they all want to leave cos the games shite and now with a good alternate everyone whos only played cos it was all there was at the time can now go somewhere else.
Anyway wish you luck on those ideas Gear but from what i have learned in Hib over the time played trying to organise many of them is like trying to stop a rhino getting to water.
 

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Well if you wanne stop playing plz do so if you think the game isnt to your flavor no more .
Peeps will understand and there are plenty of other good games around to play


but dont stand around posting stuff like NF is crap ToA even bigger crap Whine whine whine just leave the rest of us in peace that do love the game :)

peeps that wanne stay wanne adapt to the new way and like i told it before i love it theres so mutch more Strategie then before.
Sitting in DL waiting for a spot in a group and if you get a group after 1 or 2 run it splits was very common , cause some join MLs some GG and some Fotm group now for many peeps we all have our part to do we heal better rezz beter suppport peeps from other groups faster , and it might sound wierd but i think the peeps that truely like NF actualy play better aswell
more realm based and not so group based like iam camping here this is our RVR zone DONT leetch like in OF


NF rocks imo what all rest says i dont realy care :)
i think miythic did a hell of a job there :) and will giv us fun for many years to come

Iam Staying .... and nothing will change my mind :)
 

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Just a note, great defence of behn tonight, way to go everyone!!
 

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Gear said:
I tried to run a group in alblandia for some tower grapping, we managed to get one, on the second one we got slightly zerged but brought the door down at least. Vengeance picked it up after us. Mind you, we were a 4-man group and none of us could claim.


we had a good time 1 healer 3 tanks took 1 tower almost had the second when the albs come will have to do with fg can be fun
 

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You all seem to be split into keep take - not keep take groups (a bit general i know)

Why dont you realise that you need both to stand a chance ? You need the guys taking the tower/keeps while the FG ppl roam around that tower keep helping to defend the takers ?

NF is so diverse that it caters for all, yes all, types of game play. You just need to organise a bit, not hard as long as people talk to each other. This will sound harsh but if you truly hate NF and wont participate then please leave these threads alone so the people who are actively RvR'ing / playing the game can get on with it and adjust to a new way of play so that they can effectively defend Hibernia.

I dont mean any offence to those who have left but offering your opinions that slate NF and QQ about it does not in anyway help the active players do what they need. In fact it just brings them down and robs the realm of any kind of defence thus helping the albs and mids dominate.

Either always have a BG or CG going for RvR or reduce the hibbie guilds to no more then 20 so you can all be in the same alliance.

Anyways, we'll see what comes of Hibernia.
 

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i agree with gear good thred m8. Id like to add, that unfotunetly we as hibs are totally out numberd VS albs an that our population gets smaller and smaller as each day pases more and more hibs ebaying there accounts 2 go an try WoW really puts up a question. What will the future be for hibernia or will there be any? Imo we as hibs need to band togeather as a strong society to defend our relm.Im also sure uve all had the lag at about 3pm when all the albs get home from school <wink wink> a mojority of us still new 2 the game trying to compete with zergs of albs TOAd to the teeath an us still waring epic, funny eh yet we still hold our own in a fight or defending our relm.

Its geting harder and harder every day an if any one has a solution to the problem of our underpopulated relm id like 2 hear it i for one, am fresh out of ideas.
 

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