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old.Tdaer
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for once .. Aussie has a valid point .. this wasn't all in one go ..
The same albs we killed in the first section .. ported back after a while .. and died again.
for once .. Aussie has a valid point .. this wasn't all in one go ..
The same albs we killed in the first section .. ported back after a while .. and died again.
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Lessurl
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Surprise an alb grp and the minst casts sos.......your point?
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old.Tdaer
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old.Filip
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hehe well Tdae it must have been after Osrim/sst and i left odinz ..
cause we wasted loads there (including you)
had some nice 3v3 against a bard/NS/ranger (cant remember if the ranger was you though)
we won both of em with no deaths and no1 in our group dropping below 80% HP.
cause we wasted loads there (including you)
had some nice 3v3 against a bard/NS/ranger (cant remember if the ranger was you though)
we won both of em with no deaths and no1 in our group dropping below 80% HP.
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old.Tdaer
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yeh.. nice going .. this was on Saturday tho..
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old.Odysseus
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Thats just what I would say if I had that button.
Me? I have siege bolt.
Compare that!
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old.CrazyMuppet
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ooo wow another 'we own' thread.
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old.Nol
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Ok, so you get owned everytime instamezz and GP is used? Wow, you must be part of the crap outfit, because alot of albs don't.
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Read my post again. Nothing wrong with more Hibs in Hibernia, would be nothing wrong with more Hibs in HW either.
Not sure what the issue is. Emain is used for guaranteed constant rvr. If you want tactical go to Odins or HW and pray you walk into a group.
Regards, Glottis
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old.Odysseus
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No, nol, what Im saying is this: GP and instamezz combo is overpowered. It takes the initiative out of any plan, even well planned, perfectly executes ambushes.
Get rid of all insta CC in the game (or give me some
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how about exchanging the siege bolt RA for a ranged aoe insta mezz on 15 min timer for theurgs?
wonder how hibs would react to that
Get rid of all insta CC in the game (or give me some
)how about exchanging the siege bolt RA for a ranged aoe insta mezz on 15 min timer for theurgs?
wonder how hibs would react to that
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old.Nol
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Originally posted by old.Odysseus
No, nol, what Im saying is this: GP and instamezz combo is overpowered. It takes the initiative out of any plan, even well planned, perfectly executes ambushes.
Get rid of all insta CC in the game (or give me some
how about exchanging the siege bolt RA for a ranged aoe insta mezz on 15 min timer for theurgs?
wonder how hibs would react to that
So are BoF and SoS mate, overpowered to the max.
I agree that Insta CC should be removed from the game. It should be taken off a quickcast timer too and no PB CC, Mezz should be castable and that's all.
Swapping a spell for a realm ability is a bit unfair, but I would gladly swap the Insta for some damage output or decent defense, say Skin of Diamond or Blasting Maelstrom, in an ideal scenario, Arctic Blast. Insta mezz is what Mythic gave bards to protect themselves, sadly it is no defense.
Honestly I would be so much happier with a snare, ecstatic with a self BT buff.
My point is however, that there is no such thing as an Instawin button.
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Flimgoblin
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like to see him cast SoS whilst mezzed..
or are all our minstrels RR5?
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Er.... this whole post was about what happened in odin's gate, not emain.
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More defense than any sorc has though, i think most sorc would trade their baseline matter DoT for a insta mezz
in fact i bet they would trade their entire matter line (except armor buff, bt, absorb buff) for a insta mezz Hibs being magical, mids being melee, albs being a bit of both is a no win argument
Your magic is as powerful as all the other realms, just you have 3 power relics atm (and have had for a long time ) so everyone thinks you nuke harder.More and more bards that know how to play are coming through (maybe they learning from Miss
) and its making life tough for albs as more good sorcies retire their gimped chars.
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old.Nol
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Purge and SoS require 10 point's each, no where near rr5. SoS bypasses all negative effects, so what is your point?Originally posted by Fingoniel
like to see him cast SoS whilst mezzed..
or are all our minstrels RR5?
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purge is last main ra mincers get they tend to go for sos 1st . then fi and ip . then purge last, which is rr5+
sos is mainly used as an escape tool , u can still be dmged by spells/melee whilst sos.
IF a alb sorc mezz a fg of hibs . druid would pruge then grup purge. yes it cot a lot ofrps for those both . but then when he has grp purged he has just saved the bother of 7 other people spending buying purge.. hence 70 ra's points extra in that particuler group to spend o ra's ....
insta mezz is overpowered everybody knows it . and anybody who says it aint is biased cos they prolly use it themselves and try consider themselves uber with a insta win button
as for bof how long do the longest duration ae mezz's last? 45+ seconds? less with ra's and resists . but if a cleric bofs ae mezz and wait for them to run out .ad as somebody said above bof protects from melee not magic so we can still get nuked to fugg .
sos is mainly used as an escape tool , u can still be dmged by spells/melee whilst sos.
IF a alb sorc mezz a fg of hibs . druid would pruge then grup purge. yes it cot a lot ofrps for those both . but then when he has grp purged he has just saved the bother of 7 other people spending buying purge.. hence 70 ra's points extra in that particuler group to spend o ra's ....
insta mezz is overpowered everybody knows it . and anybody who says it aint is biased cos they prolly use it themselves and try consider themselves uber with a insta win button
as for bof how long do the longest duration ae mezz's last? 45+ seconds? less with ra's and resists . but if a cleric bofs ae mezz and wait for them to run out .ad as somebody said above bof protects from melee not magic so we can still get nuked to fugg .
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old.lewstherin
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I consider my determination to be uber =)
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old.Nol
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The keyword is "except".
Buying puge last as a minstrel is stupid, if your realm is so bothered by mezz and you are the one with access to cure mezz, purge is a basic necesity. I also have access to IP, but I have not even considered it as a viable RA for a support class when I am required to cast cure mezz.
Practically every hib that can has bought purge, mostly because there are not enough druids to go around, I have stated it repeatedly but you do not seem to listen. Druids are scarce, like sorceror's.
Instamezz = INSTAWIN
SoS = INSTAGETOFJAILFREEANDCOMEBACKANDWINSOMEMORE!
If you read my examples, not once did I mention using BoF when mezzed, that would be immensely dense. I said you could use SoS to run away and come back when negative effects are over, then use BoF, which basically ensures victory.
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Flimgoblin
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group purge is 14 points... thats 6 less... and it lets you fight back
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Flimgoblin
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Ahh so you're comparing two realm abilities to one _class_ ability now?
As for 'Skin of Diamond' - that's a theurgist pulsing bladeturn spell... try finding a Warden (it's nothing to do with a sorceror)
You might have been meaning "Nullify Offense" the worst caster AF shield in the game... which your armour more than makes up for...
Insta aoe crowd control should be max range of 1000, heck make it 700 ... being able to cast it on the move from speed is by far the most overpowring part of it. I'd rather not see Sorcerors get instants - but if they're not that powerful how about they just remove them?
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kameh
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A minstel said that.. insta mez over powering..
ok your stealthed, target someone and start your mez... I bet they see you for 0.5 -1 sec max before they're mezzed. Sounds pretty insta to me
Simple fact is that Hibernia is getting better at crowd control, even without insta mez (which is on a long timer and is usually saved for emergencies) we're vastly better than we were. You're also going up against far more bards in emain everyday, most groups wont leave for a fight unless they have at least 1 and sometimes 2 bards in a group... that's a lot of mezzing.
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Oh dear another .. Insta-mez.. GP.. BoF thread..
It's this simply..
I've group purge..
I r teh win
I r teh leet
MMmmk?
It's this simply..
I've group purge..
I r teh win
I r teh leet
MMmmk?
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old.Nol
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I said most bards would glady swap the insta's for a BT or a damage spell, I used the theugist spells as an example. If you read my posts, I agree that insta CC should be removed from the game, the same as stun, which should be shield/slam special move only. (btw, I do not have insta AOE)
SoS is 4 points less then group purge, and allows you to get away...no fuss.
Basically I am sick of the same circle, I indicated that Albion has the same ability to infuriate with RA's as hibernia does. I don't believe we hold the copyright on the "pissed off" factor. The constant whinging is enough to piss anyone off.
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:d
Can't believe you guys are still discussing this! How do you have any time to play with discussing it so much?
GP= good
BoF= good
SoS= good
What's the point in discussing it again? It's not going to change anything...
I think it's kinda funny that ppl are whining about GP when there wasn't even a druid ^^
Insta-mez? I like it! It is short for me, shorter for a tank with det... what's not to like? You are then mez immune almost til the end of the fight (certainly til the end of the bard, unless it's Miss ) Good bards don't use it unless they have to imo. It's much less of a problem than I thought it would be.
I just wish clerics could get det
Can't believe you guys are still discussing this! How do you have any time to play with discussing it so much?
GP= good
BoF= good
SoS= good
What's the point in discussing it again? It's not going to change anything...
I think it's kinda funny that ppl are whining about GP when there wasn't even a druid ^^
Insta-mez? I like it! It is short for me, shorter for a tank with det... what's not to like? You are then mez immune almost til the end of the fight (certainly til the end of the bard, unless it's Miss
) Good bards don't use it unless they have to imo. It's much less of a problem than I thought it would be.I just wish clerics could get det
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Fair enough
Group Purge compared to SoS is probably about right...
AoE Instamezz is the killer in my opinion
but I've yet to get determination 5 aoe instastun is even more of a pain
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Re: :d
well said!
you forgot that if your having insta cast on your by a blue con bard like me it usually fails anyway leaving him wide open for a kicking I think it's always used for defense, certainly the only time I try, I cant rely on it to stick
Originally posted by bf_kate
Can't believe you guys are still discussing this! How do you have any time to play with discussing it so much?
GP= good
BoF= good
SoS= good
What's the point in discussing it again? It's not going to change anything...
I think it's kinda funny that ppl are whining about GP when there wasn't even a druid ^^
Insta-mez? I like it! It is short for me, shorter for a tank with det... what's not to like? You are then mez immune almost til the end of the fight (certainly til the end of the bard, unless it's Miss
I just wish clerics could get det
well said!
you forgot that if your having insta cast on your by a blue con bard like me it usually fails anyway leaving him wide open for a kicking
I think it's always used for defense, certainly the only time I try, I cant rely on it to stick
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old.Nol
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Re: :d
guess that's why I am still blue con
guess that's why I am still blue con
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someone got owned T_T
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Its basically many things combined.
Insta ae mezz, GP, Killing cababilities of hib mages (stun), PBT,
Mooseheroes.
Many ways to balance it more but ...
Hibs should only have access to slower pbt since they are the magic realm (strongest mages), and albs and mids dont have a 'pulsing magic turn'.
Hibs and mids have better mezz, which means albs should have better demezz.
Insta ae mezz, GP, Killing cababilities of hib mages (stun), PBT,
Mooseheroes.
Many ways to balance it more but ...
Hibs should only have access to slower pbt since they are the magic realm (strongest mages), and albs and mids dont have a 'pulsing magic turn'.
Hibs and mids have better mezz, which means albs should have better demezz.