fo midgard..

[Aussie]

where were you until the bug became common knowledge?

He thought he could play alb

 

[cougar]

All you can do is CRY or find another button then the instawin.

 

[Shangrila]

Funny how upset the mids become if someone blames about something. Ofc it's not the mids fault that they can become grapple immune, it's Mythic who implemented a hardcap for buff.
BUT: Albs and Hibs can't "use" that feature too, since you we simply can't get 28 buffs at once. Mids would also whine if hibs or albs were the only ones who could abuse a very annoying bug. I've had a lot of fights that we lost, just because the savages couldn't be CCed.

@Mids: Call us whines, but you would do exactly the same if you were in our (hib/alb) situation.

Funny fact:
- Some bug affects only hibs/albs = everyone cries for a BUGfix, bloody hibs/albs are wtf abusing it, how lame is that.
- Some bug affects mids only = using a feature, dont blame mids it was mythic's fault, we are innocent.

 

[Lethul]

Funny how upset the mids become if someone blames about something. Ofc it's not the mids fault that they can become grapple immune, it's Mythic who implemented a hardcap for buff.
BUT: Albs and Hibs can't "use" that feature too, since you we simply can't get 28 buffs at once. Mids would also whine if hibs or albs were the only ones who could abuse a very annoying bug. I've had a lot of fights that we lost, just because the savages couldn't be CCed.

@Mids: Call us whines, but you would do exactly the same if you were in our (hib/alb) situation.

Funny fact:
- Some bug affects only hibs/albs = everyone cries for a BUGfix, bloody hibs/albs are wtf abusing it, how lame is that.
- Some bug affects mids only = using a feature, dont blame mids it was mythic's fault, we are innocent.

yes you can, even our zerks can become grapple immune. i have been grapple immune on BM. its very much possible. Hotrats even said he cant moc sometimes

 

[Medde]

Funny fact:
- Some bug affects only hibs/albs = everyone cries for a BUGfix, bloody hibs/albs are wtf abusing it, how lame is that.
- Some bug affects mids only = using a feature, dont blame mids it was mythic's fault, we are innocent.

did mr enchanter forget about dps debuff? :<

 

[Chronictank]

ye, but we are not haxx0rs and dont abuse bugs like u, liddul kids ;x

and im sure no other realm members abuse the bug.....
i have seen alb/hib grps do the same thing on more than one occasion.

personally i dont, but thats just me and prolly 90% the realm.

same way strafing to fail styles, running through targets to result in failed casts etc etc...
and heaven forbid you didnt use the majestic will bug when it was there

bunch of hypocrits

 

[Stallion]

did mr enchanter forget about dps debuff? :<

dps debuff is nowhere near 28 buffs bug...
28 buffs bug cant be justified with dps debuff.
id like you to give me the names of abusing enchanters and ill give u of savages ive meet with it.. and you can compare numbers. and actuall effect on the game. dps debuff dosent make the enchanter do uninterruptable dmg like savas. its interrupts a singel target. can stil be interrupted or whatever, so it has no major effect.

 

[Stallion]

did mr enchanter forget about dps debuff? :<

and its funny as hell you use both 28 buffs and dps debuff and justiy both by countering them... watched your pryd movie and guess f00king who used dps debuff? Mr chantson! :kissit:

 

[cougar]

dps debuff is nowhere near 28 buffs bug...
28 buffs bug cant be justified with dps debuff.
id like you to give me the names of abusing enchanters and ill give u of savages ive meet with it.. and you can compare numbers. and actuall effect on the game. dps debuff dosent make the enchanter do uninterruptable dmg like savas. its interrupts a singel target. can stil be interrupted or whatever, so it has no major effect.

28 buffs cant be avoided, dps debuff is done on purpose so it's alot more abusive.. and it affects alot, u make one enemie caster useless.

 

[Stallion]

28 buffs cant be avoided, dps debuff is done on purpose so it's alot more abusive.. and it affects alot, u make one enemie caster useless.

with only a few chanters having the blue dps debuff which has resist rate of 29% .. it can be quite useless. and its not like u spam same char over and over.

and lol you just happen to get 28 buffs? you really need that waterbreathing/pom/acuity majty!

 

[Z^^]

Why do you keep repeating that? Grapple was working 99% of times on savages before they found out about this "feature". I wish there was a way to be immune to zephyr for hibs and albs, that would balance it.

aye that minstrel with zephyr is strong vs 3 grapple spamming noobs..

 

[Shangrila]

I'll respond to that dps thingy in the same ways as mids do about the grapple thingy:

version1: I'm innocent, it's Mythic's fault that the dps debuff interrupts. Don't blame me for using a feature.

version2: haha, cry more n00b (it's not my personal opinion, but thats a very common reaction on FH boards

 

[Clipse]

2 ungrapple-able savages can hack thru 10 mages in under 1 minute. No exaggeration, with 3 savages, forget it.

Don't discuss it, do what you think is right.

 

[Medde]

and its funny as hell you use both 28 buffs and dps debuff and justiy both by countering them... watched your pryd movie and guess f00king who used dps debuff? Mr chantson! :kissit:

You got it all wrong m8, im not whining about ppl using bugs, its apart of the game, everyone will use em until they're fixed. I just find it funny how hibs thinks its ok to use dps debuff for a year but as soon as another bug appears he gets flamed like hell xD

Oh and i cant give u the names of chanters using it, but pretty much every r7+ chanter has dps debuffed me the last week when ive interrupted him. Im not gonna flame them since its no use, its just a part of the game until fixed.

 

[Belomar]

with only a few chanters having the blue dps debuff which has resist rate of 29% .. it can be quite useless. and its not like u spam same char over and over.

Resists on the debuff won't matter, it will still interrupt. That's how the old insta ASD debuff worked, anyway, and I am sure the DPS debuff does not work differently (I don't have a chanter myself, though). Remember all the healers with grey ASD debuffs back in the day?

 

[Stallion]

You got it all wrong m8, im not whining about ppl using bugs, its apart of the game, everyone will use em until they're fixed. I just find it funny how hibs thinks its ok to use dps debuff for a year but as soon as another bug appears he gets flamed like hell xD

Oh and i cant give u the names of chanters using it, but pretty much every r7+ chanter has dps debuffed me the last week when ive interrupted him. Im not gonna flame them since its no use, its just a part of the game until fixed.

oki look at it this way, is insta pb diease a part of the game? what makes it diffrerent from dps debuff. disease debuffs str & movement. dps debuff debuffs someone's melee damage. Both are on a verry short timer and disease is even point blank. Now dont give me the crap you debuff a target that dosent melee which means dps debuff is just for pure interrupts.. AS you as a pac should know u spam mezz even if target is mezz immune to interrupt.

 

[vintervargen]

rofl irl

hib assisttrains doesnt have SoS m8..

oh wait.. you never used it offensive..

 

[Clipse]

anyways, I got a new way to deal with savages. just ask Podgebelly

 

[cougar]

someone should write a book about what buttons you aint allowed to press in daoc. poor those who gets banned because they didnt read on FH that they cant use the specced abilitys

 

[Sabu]

clueless

and , every realm can be grapple immune xD

yeah and everyone can get radar and we dont do neither, sucking bug abbusers ....

 

[Sabu]

someone should write a book about what buttons you aint allowed to press in daoc. poor those who gets banned because they didnt read on FH that they cant use the specced abilitys

Goa bans Cougar

Cougar already has too many active effects
ban fails

 

[Aussie]

hib assisttrains doesnt have SoS m8..

oh wait.. you never used it offensive..

if you didnt know yet, a mincer doesn't belong into the best albion groupsetup. AD mincer is already sold afaik

 

[Ghaladriel]

Goa bans Cougar

Cougar already has too many active effects
ban fails

xDDD

 

[Aussie]

with only a few chanters having the blue dps debuff which has resist rate of 29% ..

thats funny , you actually checked how many times dps debuff gets resisted while the outcome is always 100% interrupt

 

[Z^^]

yeah and everyone can get radar and we dont do neither, sucking bug abbusers ....

lol, thats not entirely the same thing tho?

 

[Belomar]

As for the main issue in regards to ungrappleable savages, the theory (from what I've managed to find out) is this: Each player has a limit of 32 active effects at any one time. 4 of those slots are reserved for negative effects, and the remaining 28 for positive effects. This is to avoid people becoming immune to mezz, roots, and debuffs, etc (although this was probably not an issue up until the arrival of ToA). Grapple is a positive effect, so if you have managed to fill your 28 effect slots prior to an enemy using the ability on you, you will not be able to be grappled. The reason Grapple is positive (sounds strange, doesn't it?) is probably that it should not be possible to purge, and thus Mythic did this as a simple hack.

Of course, if Grapple was a real positive effect, you would be able to drop it by shift-rightclicking on it, and I am pretty sure you can't do that. Hopefully, Mythic will realize the problem and fix it ASAP.

In the meantime, note that the Savages purposefully abusing this bug (and, let's face it, some people most assuredly are, even if it is next to impossible to prove) have carefully calculated the amount of buffs they need for them to be able to fit their most important self-buffs (haste and dps buff, most probably, and possibly some more to fill any remaining slots). Add a competent buff shearer in the upcoming patch and this problem will most likely go away (use the ML10 Battlemaster ability in the meantime as a poor man's buff shear).

 

[Stallion]

someone should write a book about what buttons you aint allowed to press in daoc. poor those who gets banned because they didnt read on FH that they cant use the specced abilitys

I r specced to give acuity/pom 4 savage. I r specced for waterbreathing landswimming. uke:

 

[Stallion]

thats funny , you actually checked how many times dps debuff gets resisted while the outcome is always 100% interrupt

its not interrupting if resisted. that was asd debuff.

 

[Belomar]

oki look at it this way, is insta pb diease a part of the game? what makes it diffrerent from dps debuff. disease debuffs str & movement. dps debuff debuffs someone's melee damage. Both are on a verry short timer and disease is even point blank. Now dont give me the crap you debuff a target that dosent melee which means dps debuff is just for pure interrupts.. AS you as a pac should know u spam mezz even if target is mezz immune to interrupt.

Shamans are hybrid/support classes, and thus play under a different set of rules than cloth casters. Enchanters, on the other hand, have been spoiled by having an insta interrupt for far too long. It is time for you to adapt and become a proper cloth caster where you have no instants that interrupt.

 

[Stallion]

Shamans are hybrid/support classes, and thus play under a different set of rules than cloth casters. Enchanters, on the other hand, have been spoiled by having an insta interrupt for far too long. It is time for you to adapt and become a proper cloth caster where you have no instants that interrupt.

im not saying dps debuff is here to stay. I wish it would as enchanters only task atm is frontload dmg and interrupts. P.E.R.I.O.D!

leaves us with even less buttons to push, give utility to a dying class!!!!!!!!!!!

/puts on heat resistant suit
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