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Dorin
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yea its haxor 5% debuff me thinks.
yea its haxor 5% debuff me thinks.
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thats still 2 low (but then again i am a greedy caster) i get hit for that by tanks every day, easily .. skald even hit me for 58x something the other day
(RR4Lx) if im wearing cloth, i want a clear difference in my damage to that of a tank
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phule_gubben
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This is how it should work, well said!
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ilaya
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there is a side issue to this too..
according to Tl report.. champions have ability to interrupt using 2 means.. dd and snare, and thats what make them ,erm, viable for rvr... now if these where taken into consideration, like they should be.. champ would have nothing left really. i think someone is avoiding the issue of interrupts simply because its the easy option. these would have to be adressed if interrupts were to be changed.. therefore total overhaul of champ abilities. and since nobody has clue what a champ is really supposed to do.. *sigh*
atm u can get interrupted my a moth landing on your nose as a caster.. leave it to PROPER interrupts. i.e. taking REAL damage.
according to Tl report.. champions have ability to interrupt using 2 means.. dd and snare, and thats what make them ,erm, viable for rvr... now if these where taken into consideration, like they should be.. champ would have nothing left really. i think someone is avoiding the issue of interrupts simply because its the easy option. these would have to be adressed if interrupts were to be changed.. therefore total overhaul of champ abilities. and since nobody has clue what a champ is really supposed to do.. *sigh*
atm u can get interrupted my a moth landing on your nose as a caster.. leave it to PROPER interrupts. i.e. taking REAL damage.
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Hopefully they will fix or at least review it sometime in the future..
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Kallio
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Yeah well, thanes have one insta DD, and one Pbae DD(you hit for 4(-30)damage, so I guess then we would be pretty even.
MYTHIC LOVES HYBRIDS!!! :great:
Yeah, and almost forgot. Very nice to try to run a RM group after the changes to debuffs, it was hard allready and very few people believed that it could work. I dont even believe so myself when the changes come in
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sorusi
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you love to whine 100% of the time dont you?
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sorusi
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it doesnt atm.. but with that interrupt system you got there a pbaoe box will be unbeatable... well atleast a hibb one, since if your not standing in the box attacking, you will be outside the box getting heatdebuff nuked to death
but yes, they should remove alot of interrupts
mezz/disease/blalba should only interrupt 1st time you get it on you, dmg from melee/casters should interrupt for 2sec when it lands
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arrakeen
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Resists/interupts are fucked up....
Me as a darkcarver do nice dmg, cause i got the best debuff and a lvl 50 baseline DD, But if i chosed to be a fulldark rm which i have been for the majority of my RP, i do shit dmg and ONLY got DD's nothing elses...
Atm only nukers that do ok/good dmg is the once witch spec for debuff. But as a darkcarver i got a new problem, my powerussage is insane, i am probaly one of they few casters that like to solo and if i meet a solo enemy like a infil, after killing him ill have >50power, and imo a infil is a weak target takes 3-4 dd's that dont get resisted to kill.
If im in a group and meet a semi decent other group ill 100% have to use mcl2 and in most cases allso raging power and power pots
Thats ofc with mana regen5
Now had i been a tank i had 2000+HP hit like a freaking truck, and have no fear of running out of end. and ontop of that ill be nearly imune to all CC
If we compare the different realms casters there are no match for the Enchanter. but imo all casters should be more like enchanters if resists/interupts dont get changede.
But still i love my RM but gets a bit frustrated some times...
Me as a darkcarver do nice dmg, cause i got the best debuff and a lvl 50 baseline DD, But if i chosed to be a fulldark rm which i have been for the majority of my RP, i do shit dmg and ONLY got DD's nothing elses...
Atm only nukers that do ok/good dmg is the once witch spec for debuff. But as a darkcarver i got a new problem, my powerussage is insane, i am probaly one of they few casters that like to solo and if i meet a solo enemy like a infil, after killing him ill have >50power, and imo a infil is a weak target takes 3-4 dd's that dont get resisted to kill.
If im in a group and meet a semi decent other group ill 100% have to use mcl2 and in most cases allso raging power and power pots
Thats ofc with mana regen5
Now had i been a tank i had 2000+HP hit like a freaking truck, and have no fear of running out of end. and ontop of that ill be nearly imune to all CC
If we compare the different realms casters there are no match for the Enchanter. but imo all casters should be more like enchanters if resists/interupts dont get changede.
But still i love my RM but gets a bit frustrated some times...
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arrakeen
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You have way longer range then casters so you should have him pretty low on hp when he gets in range for his first spell, and ontop of that even if a caster gets a QC in on archer who uses Rapid fire often gets off 2 arrows that hit after the qc are made... Which ofc interupts the poor casters even when missed, and gives the archer a change to keep firing because he is rdy before the casters...
+ you can defend your self in mele distance...
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Whisperess
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Unless ofcourse they got amnesia spammed, or say - damaged from range. *gasp*
But no, we can't have that now can we?
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sorusi
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oh nvm, thought he said damage from range would not interruptOriginally posted by Whisperess
Unless ofcourse they got amnesia spammed, or say - damaged from range. *gasp*
But no, we can't have that now can we?
then yes it wouldnt be that overpowred
but with baod it would still be very powerfull baod + heat debuff nukes :x
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old.Thanatlos
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muhaha, regrowth warden duels for teh win!! enemy hits pbt, warden heals himself for 600 hp!! FUN!
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Whisperess
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We're discussing pure casters here, as in cloth casters.Originally posted by old.Thanatlos
muhaha, regrowth warden duels for teh win!! enemy hits pbt, warden heals himself for 600 hp!! FUN!
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The interrupt code effects archery precisely how it effects magic. Multiple interrupts, misses, blah, blah, blah. Perhaps I accept it as something that isn't going to be fixed by making a mindless post on a forum Mythic (yes, Mythic, not GOA) will never read and thus you are completely wasting your time.
I think I've phrased some things poorly in this thread, but it was only because the thread starter pissed me off by completely overreacting and making a, "I can be killed in a certain way and I don't like it," post. In time resists and interrupts will be adjusted, but interrupts will always be casters weakness and people will always have resists to increase their effectivness.
I pride myself on never having made ah, "waaah! Fix archers or ill leave the game and then you'll only have 40676 paying customers left!" thread. I was abnormal, it seems, in realising that overpowered/underpowered things do get adressed so I just waited for the day.
Nothing pisses me off more than casters whining about Dark Age of Tankalot when a few months ago the direct opposite was the case. Wait your fucking turn.
I think I've phrased some things poorly in this thread, but it was only because the thread starter pissed me off by completely overreacting and making a, "I can be killed in a certain way and I don't like it," post. In time resists and interrupts will be adjusted, but interrupts will always be casters weakness and people will always have resists to increase their effectivness.
I pride myself on never having made ah, "waaah! Fix archers or ill leave the game and then you'll only have 40676 paying customers left!" thread. I was abnormal, it seems, in realising that overpowered/underpowered things do get adressed so I just waited for the day.
Nothing pisses me off more than casters whining about Dark Age of Tankalot when a few months ago the direct opposite was the case. Wait your fucking turn.
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Belomar
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We were promised a "sweeping change to the resistance system". Well, 1.65 ain't it, I'm afraid, and how will it take for them to come back and look at resistances again?
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old.Thanatlos
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Originally posted by Whisperess
We're discussing pure casters here, as in cloth casters.
Hey, I'm a pure caster.. honest!
Ask anyone, I ran around with a staff for a long time trying to pbaoe, didn't quite work.. and also didn't fool people because they weren't used to firby casters yet
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Arnor
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no you got it ALL wrong.
Casters were good/viable before, they have NEVER pwned the way tanks do now, so dont even fucking try to hint at it.
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Whisperess
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Hehe, kinda like those ghastly focus-leveling sessionsOriginally posted by old.Thanatlos
Hey, I'm a pure caster.. honest!
Ask anyone, I ran around with a staff for a long time trying to pbaoe, didn't quite work.. and also didn't fool people because they weren't used to firby casters yet
After 4-5 hours I, atleast once, try to run up and pbae with the druid instead. Never get the result I wanted
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Glottis_Xanadu
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I'm not sure what your issue(s) is(are) but a scout is supposed to be a compromise between a caster and a melee class. They used to do less damage than casters from range, and less damage than tanks in melee... As a compromise they have better armor and more hp. Just like a tank started out doing less damage than a caster, but had way more hp... Things are scewed right now, but you crying like a little shit retard won't help much.
Sadly enough, I cannot find the url to it anymore. Read that they plan on making you have your own base resists (ie, the capped 26% on the armor/items) and then take the resists you can get from buffs to be deducted from the spell once it hits. So instead of getting 200hp being halved to 100hp by 50% resists, you will get 150hp hit and then 25% buff resists going off. Resulting in a hit of 112.5hp (so I guess a 12.5 increase in damage, and not 25%)
Lol... a tank could not even look at a mage before...
So yes, I will hint at that.
Would be saying that an assasin one shotting a mage should still stay stealthed... or that bt should never have been introduced for casters.
Regards, Glottis
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old.Thanatlos
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Originally posted by Whisperess
Hehe, kinda like those ghastly focus-leveling sessions
After 4-5 hours I, atleast once, try to run up and pbae with the druid instead. Never get the result I wanted
errrm.. yeeees .. totally something like that!!!
I plead temporary insanity your honour!
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loxleyhood
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A cabalist who quit the game a year ago came back last week. When being told the game was now called Dark Age of Tankalot his words were, "So, tanks actually have a chance in RvR now?"
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Arnor
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scout has it much better then caster atm, you do more dmg, you have better hps/armor and defense, and hey, you aint worthless in melee (well you are, but most archers arent)
oh how convenient you cant find the url ey?
They are making the resists multiplicative, which in effect mean that instead of having 60% resist which you can have now, after 1.65 you will have 50% or sumt, Yeh, I can REALLY see how this is gonna help, its like the dmg-proc on aurora borealis, insult to injury.
rofl, you TRULY are fucking retarded, with a spec-nuke your MAX FUCKING DAMAGE is 657 dmg @ 1.5ish sec, thats on 0% resists and with pie buff/aug ac. I played a tank constantly till 1.52, and with the exeption of dot's I never had a problem with casters, they were glass cannons, just like they should be.
now come here and tell me what damage a tank does now, hps, armor, interrupts, end-regen, cc etc.
Yes mages had range, but we still had speed5, instas/interrupts etc, the only thing EVER i found overpowered with mages were dots, since pre-resistbuffs etc, a good dot would bring me down to 20% hps or sumt.
yes loxley, aoe-dot was VERY strong on crappy resists, but casters were NEVER dominating like tanks are now.
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pbae before used to generate alot of rps for hibs so you might say that was op, and dont look at the fact you could probably interrupted already then with ae amensia same way as healers do now no?
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Originally posted by rg-zorena
pbae before used to generate alot of rps for hibs so you might say that was op, and dont look at the fact you could probably interrupted already then with ae amensia same way as healers do now no?
pbaoe>noobs
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old.Zoyster
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GET RID OF THE GHEY INTERUPT SLAM. FIX IT GOA. YOUR GAME IS THE SUX. AND IM PLAYING HORIZONS FROM NOW ON !!!!
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old.Zoyster
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I MEAN SPAMM not SLAM
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old.Zoyster
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I wanna try put it into perspective without banging on too much....
Resists were the caster Nerf. In a fight a tank Vs a caster..... tank can hit hard, you can't hit back, the tank has the clear advantage. Mages have been nerfed so much, that you can not realisticly take them on, with resists, slams, mezzes, roots, amnesia, pets etc, you can't do anything.
When you are roaming for RvR gankage , you are most likely to bump into enemy face to face. Therefore, casters will lose.
BUT, to make the game totally unplayable, Casters can't cast at all !!! So the cards are against them, and at the same time you can not Cast either !!!! So not only has Winning been ruled out, but having Any amount of FUN has been ruled out.
If you have 2 tanks on you, Forget it !!!
I'm playing horizons tonight, Can't be bothered to spend another night on the pad.
Resists were the caster Nerf. In a fight a tank Vs a caster..... tank can hit hard, you can't hit back, the tank has the clear advantage. Mages have been nerfed so much, that you can not realisticly take them on, with resists, slams, mezzes, roots, amnesia, pets etc, you can't do anything.
When you are roaming for RvR gankage , you are most likely to bump into enemy face to face. Therefore, casters will lose.
BUT, to make the game totally unplayable, Casters can't cast at all !!! So the cards are against them, and at the same time you can not Cast either !!!! So not only has Winning been ruled out, but having Any amount of FUN has been ruled out.
If you have 2 tanks on you, Forget it !!!
I'm playing horizons tonight, Can't be bothered to spend another night on the pad.