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Interesting article. I'm glad someone finally published what most people have been thinking for years!

 

[Ezteq]

lol children innocent??

when did this happen? kid are right evil little buggers, they bully and set out to make other kids (and occasionally teachers) cry, kick animals around the playground, stomp on bugs for fun, play i'll show you mine if you show me yours behind shrubbary or in the stationary cupboard.

They have (or rather very rarely do they have) any sense of empathy or sympathy for others because they have not experienced anything or thought about experiencing anything whch leads them to think "I feel so sorry for them, i can fully imagine/understand how they feel" and its not until they grow up and have experienced bullying that they start to realise wow maybe i should treat other people how i want to be treated or hmm i really didnt like it when dave kicked me in the head last night, maybe i shouldn't kick this hedgehog, or something.

It is horrible that people have to have horrible experiences but without them a person cant really sympathise and ammend the way they treat others and children need to learn about cause and effect as much if not more as anyone, in fact, the sooner the better because then maybe the little sods would learn to be nice.

 

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lol children innocent??

when did this happen? kid are right evil little buggers, they bully and set out to make other kids (and occasionally teachers) cry, kick animals around the playground, stomp on bugs for fun, play i'll show you mine if you show me yours behind shrubbary or in the stationary cupboard.

They have (or rather very rarely do they have) any sense of empathy or sympathy for others because they have not experienced anything or thought about experiencing anything whch leads them to think "I feel so sorry for them, i can fully imagine/understand how they feel" and its not until they grow up and have experienced bullying that they start to realise wow maybe i should treat other people how i want to be treated or hmm i really didnt like it when dave kicked me in the head last night, maybe i shouldn't kick this hedgehog, or something.

It is horrible that people have to have horrible experiences but without them a person cant really sympathise and ammend the way they treat others and children need to learn about cause and effect as much if not more as anyone, in fact, the sooner the better because then maybe the little sods would learn to be nice.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

 

[megadave]

cant wait til ezteq gets knocked up!

 

[Ezteq]

lol you will have a very very long wait then mister lol


its not that i dont like kids btw i do, i just dont have any false illusions about them.

 

[Raven]

Most kids need punting against the nearest wall. Though its not their fault its shitty/lazy parenting

 

[Zenith.UK]

It's nice to hear I'm not the only one that thinks like that then.


Just because I fell 10' out of a tree onto my head when I was 5 doesn't make any difference. I would LOVE my little ones to go climbing trees. The council nixxed that idea by sawing off all the lower branches of the better climbing trees around here.

I took the family to the local adventure park on Bank Holiday Monday.
GreenWood Forest Park : Family Attraction Snowdonia North Wales
Think of it as Alton Towers in miniture for kids, with an eco-theme.

The whole family went along and while my eldest (9yo) was running off to go on the rollercoaster or fire longbows, my middle one (3yo) was playing on an adventure playground obviously designed for older children. The piece de resistance was when she saw a climbing wall and decided she wanted to go up it. So she set off, foot in, hand in, foot up etc etc and got up half way before thinking twice. I was stood 3 steps away and could easily catch her if she fell off. She loved it and carried on up.

My opinion is that is is ridiculous to try and remove all risks from children as we doing them a disservice for their future. If you aren't exposed to risks, how do you learn to cope with them? At least by participating in activities with a certain risk of injury, children learn what they can and can't do. If they fall off and hurt themselves a bit, 9 times out of 10 they'll have a little cry, dust themselves off and try again.

It's called managing risk and it makes better people in the end.

 

[pez]

lol children innocent??

when did this happen? kid are right evil little buggers, they bully and set out to make other kids (and occasionally teachers) cry, kick animals around the playground, stomp on bugs for fun, play i'll show you mine if you show me yours behind shrubbary or in the stationary cupboard.

They have (or rather very rarely do they have) any sense of empathy or sympathy for others because they have not experienced anything or thought about experiencing anything whch leads them to think "I feel so sorry for them, i can fully imagine/understand how they feel" and its not until they grow up and have experienced bullying that they start to realise wow maybe i should treat other people how i want to be treated or hmm i really didnt like it when dave kicked me in the head last night, maybe i shouldn't kick this hedgehog, or something.

It is horrible that people have to have horrible experiences but without them a person cant really sympathise and ammend the way they treat others and children need to learn about cause and effect as much if not more as anyone, in fact, the sooner the better because then maybe the little sods would learn to be nice.

I think you may have missed the point of the article.

 

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I think you may have missed the point of the article.

I think Ez got it spot on actually. Parents these days coddle their kids and heaven forbid we should blame or punish them when they misbehave. No we blame the parents. If a kid is a little shit the parents haven't bought them up right or they've neglected them. Here's the thing though, if a kid is a little shit, it's a kid being a little shit. It's what they do and we as a society are being force fed the idea that a childs behavior has nothing to do with the child themself but with how the parents have bought them up. It's stupid. So yes, full marks to Ez for that.

 

[Shagrat]

It's nice to hear I'm not the only one that thinks like that then.


Just because I fell 10' out of a tree onto my head when I was 5 doesn't make any difference. I would LOVE my little ones to go climbing trees. The council nixxed that idea by sawing off all the lower branches of the better climbing trees around here.

I took the family to the local adventure park on Bank Holiday Monday.
GreenWood Forest Park : Family Attraction Snowdonia North Wales
Think of it as Alton Towers in miniture for kids, with an eco-theme.

The whole family went along and while my eldest (9yo) was running off to go on the rollercoaster or fire longbows, my middle one (3yo) was playing on an adventure playground obviously designed for older children. The piece de resistance was when she saw a climbing wall and decided she wanted to go up it. So she set off, foot in, hand in, foot up etc etc and got up half way before thinking twice. I was stood 3 steps away and could easily catch her if she fell off. She loved it and carried on up.

My opinion is that is is ridiculous to try and remove all risks from children as we doing them a disservice for their future. If you aren't exposed to risks, how do you learn to cope with them? At least by participating in activities with a certain risk of injury, children learn what they can and can't do. If they fall off and hurt themselves a bit, 9 times out of 10 they'll have a little cry, dust themselves off and try again.

It's called managing risk and it makes better people in the end.

couldnt agree more, rep for you. I have exactly the same attitude with my pair. They might get bruised up etc clamering about in trees or bombing around on their bikes, they learn from it, they get up and they try again. Isnt that what growing up is supposed to be, a learning experience?

How can children learn from their mistakes if they arent allowed to make any?

 

[Lightfighter]

"A characteristic of the normal child is he doesn't act that way very often".

(Agrees with Ez, they're all evil)

What I miss in that article is a counter-point. The author makes a very motivational speach, however does not argue but strives to strenghten his point. A risk with this is that the subject gets exaggerated. This means I can neither (rightfully) support or reject his arguments without hearing the other sides' view/s since I don't have much prior insight in this matter.

It's an interesting read though, nice find.

 

[Ezteq]

I'm pissed right off atm because for my job (library assistant) I have to go on a child protection training course... I have to go and learn about spotting the signs of abuse and listed to some drippy cardigan wearer go on about exactly what happens when a child is abused and how I go about reporting it.

Sorry matey, know it sounds harsh but, not my job. We get kids coming inthe library all the time w ith teeth knocked out, broken arms, bruises whatever and I always say to them "crikey, what've you been up to?" which gets a laugh and then the kids love telling me about how they fell off something "This High!!!" and look at this cool scab I got...

I don't want to have to do thsi training because then I'll be looking at all these innocent cuts and bashes and thinking "hmm wonder if that was done by colliding with her fathers erection?" I don't want to think that and I don't see why I should tbh.

Yes there are those who say "it is all of our responsibility to protect the children!" well I do my bit by not having any. Just because the social workers seem to be failing spectacularly at doing their job I really don't see why I should have to do it. I think it's dangerous to send people out 'looking for' abuse when all they've had is a half day training session, I mean jeeze, social workers train for years and they miss it most of the time.


Oh and kids being innocent yes some are and when they are they it can be very funny, for example i was issuing some books to a little girl and one of them was called "Whose in the loo" and the front cover has a picture of an elephant sat on the loo reading the paper. The little girl looks at it, looks at her mum then looks at me and says (very loudly) "Sometimes my mummy takes a magazine in to the loo with her and she's in there aaaaaages"


hehehhe bles 'em!