FFS at lucky god damn assassins!

[old.Tzeentch]

I got an idea - why dont you ask Alpha how he plays in the gorge?

Here, I'll tell you

Stun, DD - at this point it's just dawned on me someone is attacking me, face is all i can do at the moment.

Alpha relaxes some, I stand and wait for my death.

Stun, DD - I try in vain quickcasting, but I'm stunned.. now I'm hacked to death and getting off a quickcast stun, or even a mezz is useless, I'm crawling at this rate, and alpha will be on me in a second.

50% heat resist = 9 over 2 = 4.5seconds stun
50% body resist = 6 over 2 = 3sec stun

1.5 seconds difference.

Range?
Sure, we got range, but in a zerg, how many people are you going to kill with stun, followed by DD?

Maybe 3 if you are lucky, before you are out of mana.

Will you win in a solo situation if you have the range?
Against a bolt caster, probably not, against an ordinary caster, probably yes.

Is it possible for someone to have 50% heat resists, some levels of determination, and break out alive, quickcasting a snare?
Yes.

Light ments I know say they hit on average from 400-500 without crits, and this is factoring in relics - this is about 340-420 without relics, factoring in resists, this can be dropped to 170 - 260.

Again, what do you propose?
Simple removal?
Having good resists and maybe some RAs can almost completly nullify a hib caster, it CAN be countered, with or without an RA..

Insta cannot be countered, it will always hit you before you can let off a spell.

 

[old.Zanaa]

Originally posted by Verena
Can't believe you people are trying to dissagree here.

9sec basestun IS overpowered. Get on the other end of the stick and you'll see what everyone means. Offcourse there's plenty of other overpowered things in this game no doubt about that.

9sec last very long, especially since those DD's are on a 2sec cast time, without taking dex buffs into concideration. No chance to IP, FA or insta. You're dead before the stun ends.

Put a heat rebuff into it and you're down in 2-3 DD's. If it happens at 1000 range, EVERY tank will go down.

On my chanter I LOVE it though. It's our only form of CC so it's needed, but facing an hib caster as an alb you start to realise how powerfull it is. The amount of tanks I see dropping just like that around me while facing hibs is amazing.

1.Yeah sure our 9sec baseline stun is so much more overpowered than your 6 sec instant stun that u can cast from stealth and that is in the spec 100% minstrels go for. 2.Its not 2 seconds DD idiot, get your facts straight. 3. How often do you get heat debuffed by a caster specced in heat nukes? 4. The amount of mages I see mezed/dropping around me to minstrels is just amazing 5. Even if youre so stupid u run around unstealthed and fight mages, your speed lets u get into instastun range way before any mage has time to pull of their stun, belive me. 6. Clerics got same stun as we and they nuke for over 420damage, with all the other abilities they have. And they can dex+dex&qui buff themselves. FYI I never come close to surviving a smitecleric stun either.

Get facts

 

[Aussie-]

Originally posted by Novamir


if you want 9sec stuns, make friends with a cleric or a slammer.

rofl close combat stuns vs range stuns
gg

Range
hibscaster : 1500
minstrel : 700
cleric: 300-350 ?
slammer..... lol

I think a bard with a bit range insight has the minstrel mezzed before he can stun the bard.

 

[katt!]

Originally posted by old.Niljindil


Missed that one, well, all the ones ive faced have tried to mez again and instastunned me if i tried anything.

You might have some other obscure way of dealing with resists, but i dunno...

if that caster saw you unstealthing and trying to mez, he will begin quickcasting before mez cast/song has finished.

and gobarnachta has resisted both mez+stun at least 3 times :/

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by Aussie-



rofl close combat stuns vs range stuns
gg

Range
hibscaster : 1500
minstrel : 700
cleric: 300-350 ?
slammer..... lol

I think a bard with a bit range insight has the minstrel mezzed before he can stun the bard.

cleric stun (castable) is 1000 range

that pbaoe thing is a mezz (yeah it looks like a stun since it lasts no time at all... but it's a mezz )

 

[old.Niljindil]

Originally posted by old.kedal


if that caster saw you unstealthing and trying to mez, he will begin quickcasting before mez cast/song has finished.

and gobarnachta has resisted both mez+stun at least 3 times :/

Ok then, heres some rocket science for ya.

If you stand BEHIND your target when you play your song, you are not in VIEW.

Maybe you haven studied physics as much as i have, but its true!

 

[belth]

Originally posted by old.Niljindil

He also totally anc conveniently forgot that albion has 2 other mage classes called Sorcerer and Cabalist, but since he doesnt play one he claims that his realm got so few of them that they doesnt count.

Actually, I didn't forget Sorc/Caba nor Enchanter (don't mention their nuking pets, ever) or Eldies. You talked about pet-spam, etc, so I compared Elementalists aginst your Mentalist Theurgists don't even get pets from base-line

Alb-casters have one single thing they excel in, where as hibbie ones get a teeny weeny bit less damage in exchange for a few neat utility spells.

 

[Novamir]

Originally posted by Aussie-



rofl close combat stuns vs range stuns
gg

Range
hibscaster : 1500
minstrel : 700
cleric: 300-350 ?
slammer..... lol

I think a bard with a bit range insight has the minstrel mezzed before he can stun the bard.

for someone with so many RPs you know surprisingly little about the game.

a cleric stun is not a 'close combat' stun. 1000+ range there. bard has <3 sec> casting time on aoe mez. modifiers down to 2.5 or whatever. insta stun is <instant>. how can i make the difference clearer? yes slamming is hard in fast general combat, but slamming someone from mez who is standing still is easy.

the cleric stun is in every way like hib caster except maybe a little less range. blame your clerics+minstrel for not using their stuns properly, not our casters for using theirs.

i really can't see why I'm arguing with you about group RvR, you probably haven't clicked Accept since you hit 50. next time u want to make a condescending post, get your facts straight otherwise you look stupid.

 

[Aussie-]

who cares if its mez or stun?
it goes about range...

 

[belth]

Originally posted by Novamir

the cleric stun is in every way like hib caster except maybe a little less range. blame your clerics+minstrel for not using their stuns properly, not our casters for using theirs.

No QC makes it quite hard to use the stun like your casters... Maybe on a mezzed target

 

[old.Tzeentch]

hi, please read my previous post, discussing resists, I've not see any arguments yet, do I assume I am right?

If so, then get some resists okthxbye

<and have a nice warm glass of stfu>

 

[Vireb]

problem lies as i said your DMG DEALING class gets the stun so you dant have to be
/gr hey stunning the kobbie sw rdy to nuke
/gr which kobbie?
*kobbie is stunned*
/gr which kobie
*kobie stun now wears off*

you stupid hibs getting the point now?

1 class can stun and 90% kill the target at least, for an alb to do the same it requires at least 2 classes and damn good co-operation .
now flame about albs co-opertaing etc but thats just crap tbh
as i said take stun away from the casters and give it to a druid lets see how cool hibs are at it since the sunshines out of their poop chute

 

[Verena]

Originally posted by old.Zanaa



1.Yeah sure our 9sec baseline stun is so much more overpowered than your 6 sec instant stun that u can cast from stealth and that is in the spec 100% minstrels go for. 2.Its not 2 seconds DD idiot, get your facts straight. 3. How often do you get heat debuffed by a caster specced in heat nukes? 4. The amount of mages I see mezed/dropping around me to minstrels is just amazing 5. Even if youre so stupid u run around unstealthed and fight mages, your speed lets u get into instastun range way before any mage has time to pull of their stun, belive me. 6. Clerics got same stun as we and they nuke for over 420damage, with all the other abilities they have. And they can dex+dex&qui buff themselves. FYI I never come close to surviving a smitecleric stun either.

Get facts

Thanks for calling me an idot.

Great way to end any possible form of discussion. I'm sooo soooo sorry that I stated the 2sec delve info instead of the 2.6sec it actually is. Please forgive me, I see now that those 0.6sec make my arguments worthless. I was wrong, it takes ages to get a DD off and noone uses the high lvl stun cause it uses too much power.


Cleric stun > 3sec cast
Cleric DD > 4sec cast

NO QC!!!

(reply in Novamir style) If you've let a cleric come into 1000 range to get off a 3sec stun and you just stood there then you must suck as a player. ( and I allready thought it was agreed a very long time ago that clerics are overpowered, Mythic agreed and have allready nerfed them)

 

[old.Tzeentch]

<waits for a reply about resists, a huge part of high level RvR>

fyi vireb, I do this in groups I am in for RvR.. since I don't do as much nuking damage, I just stun, my nuker buddy watches for who it is, and kills him, with me helping, then i get the next target etc..
if you can't co-ordinate that, then rofl etc.

 

[old.Niljindil]

Originally posted by Verena
Cleric stun > 3sec cast

And here we go, Verena posting false information.. again.. sigh.

Cleric stun = 2,5 sec cast
Hib caster stun = 2,5 sec cast

Cleric Baseline DD = 3 sec cast
Hibernia Spec DD(all the DD speced chars use this, with the exception of mana chanters) = 2,8 seconds

Cleric Spec DD = 4 sec cast.

The thing with cleric spec DD is that its *THE* most damaging DD IN THE GAME!!!(until it gets nerfed).

Theres a reason it gets nerfed you know, self dex and dex/qui(althought not the best) buffs + Highest damage DD in the game +insta pb mez + castable stun + insta heals = overpowered, plain and simple.

DDs + stun and nothing else but the ability to quickcast them, is NOT overpowered COMPARED to that.

Compared to everything else but stealth and instas, yeah, horribly overpowered, but someone wanted to compare clerics, so here you go.

 

[Danya]

if you are stupid enough to let a caster quick cast stun you in a 1v1 situation, and you have no determination or purge, then you damn well deserve to die. you have stealth and speed, pick your fights. if you want 9sec stuns, make friends with a cleric or a slammer

Hmm determination eh? Can you nip into camelot and tell the minstrel trainer to let rogues spec that Nova? Go on you know you want to. Unfortunately for us, determination is for fighters not rogues, we don't get it. As for purge, sure it's all well if you have it (and frankly there's plenty of other things to get first, SoS, IP, MCL, etc.) and it's ready for use, but what about the other 90% of the time?

The thing with cleric spec DD is that its *THE* most damaging DD IN THE GAME!!!(until it gets nerfed).

Utter bullshit. It's no different base damage to wizards and runemasters top spec DD, and theirs is a 2.8s cast not 4.0s. Not to mention cleric smites have shorter range than caster nukes.

 

[Novamir]

arg, fucked up with the determination thing, im glad rogues can't get it though

yes you should get purge =)

 

[Novamir]

Originally posted by Verena

(reply in Novamir style) If you've let a cleric come into 1000 range to get off a 3sec stun and you just stood there then you must suck as a player.

so how am i supposed to hit a cleric with my spear from 1000 paces einstein? and how do i get out of the way of a cleric stun when i'm mezzed? 90% of the cases that a hib caster stuns, a cleric could be doing exactly the same. this is wihtout even factoring minstrel insta stuns which you deem to be so useless that you might as well not have them (lols).

Originally posted by Vireb

1 class can stun and 90% kill the target at least, for an alb to do the same it requires at least 2 classes and damn good co-operation .

erm, sorry? i would say 30% of my group rvr is without a caster. yes this means I stun with shield! and you know what, the people actually attack the target i stun! not exactly rocket science

 

[old.Niljindil]

Originally posted by Dannyn
Utter bullshit. It's no different base damage to wizards and runemasters top spec DD, and theirs is a 2.8s cast not 4.0s. Not to mention cleric smites have shorter range than caster nukes.

Maybe my memory is bad but i seem to recall the cleric top spec smite being 227 damage. I cant check it up so im not sure, but im fairly sure it was higher than 220.

And that 4.0 second cast time is easily lowere to the low 3.x areas with self buffing. Casters require ANOTHER character to buff them.

 

[Salazar]

I just have to put this here.. talking of lucky/overpowered/buffbots..

Couple of days ago Alpha was hunting in gorge like usual... so... we made this clever plan with Tdaer that i move along and he follows stealthed cause ofcourse Alpha will attack me... Tdaer being a lvl 50 Ranger and me being a lvl 50 Enchanter we should have somekinda chance right?

Ok.. proceeded until beetlelog be4 i got mezzed.. blaa blaa usual story.. ok.. Tdaer shoots Alpha.. my pet(whos damage has been put up i hear) shoots Alpha too.. me standing mezzed.. well.. no problem.. Alpha finishes Tdaer off without any trouble.. while my poor zealot keeps nuking.. hes some hp down.. he uses couple of RA´s to get mana back or something.. Zealot keeps firing.. no real effect.. proceeds to me- insta-insta and when i start quickcasting.. stun.. yee yee.. finally i get QC stun off and it lands.. wheeeee.. ok.. i move couple of steps and wait battleround to be over and start nuking.. i get 1 nuke off be4 he moves.. 9 sec stun.. 2 sec nukes.. but ok.. hes on 5% health.. i still get nuke off.. and guess what- he resists then he uses ignore pain.. kills me and buggers off..

Ok.. bit long story but still.. if minstrels arent bit overpowered then who is? And obviously Alpha uses lvl 50 buffbot... which is just lame. Yes i got owned... and this is a whine- problems with that?

 

[Rg.Roller]

Next time get 2 bards

 

[gwari]

lmao at salazar

You and tdaer got killed by a RR7 minstrel with a buffbot and off course your intelligent conclusion is that minstrels are overpowered. LOL.

Gwari

 

[pitspawn]

The fact that he had to use MCL and (especially) IP means you did acomplish something. (After that point he prolly died 5 minutes later to another class that still had their IP left when he didnt)

 

[Hatjitjai]

.

Alpha is a well skilled player
cut the crap about him having a lvl 50 buffbot
he has a lvl 50 smitebot,9enhance isnt excatly nice buffs