Fellow Champions a spec question

[yadleen]

Its driving me mad, but at the moment I'm a Shield Sword champion. I was thinking of going LW after the patch. I'd like to hear about some experiences with LW in RvR (hence a template of 50 valor, 50 LW 28 Parry).

I have to admit I do like my shield spec at the moment so I'd have to be certain that I'd favour the LW style if I was to respec.

Thanks in advance for your help!!

 

[Feldegast]

Well Annihalation is a great style, and in the upcoming patches you cant turn while mezzed so it will be much easier to get that style in =)

Also annihalation is good when you are chasing ppl =)

 

[Elric IA]

Everything has an advantage and disadvantage

LW high damage but slow speed. Being a champ helps as i can disrupt mages with a DD after my first swing usually gets absorbed by the bladeturn so keeping me alive (heros dont have this advantage). Usually 1-2 hits and a dead mage. Cannot guard your casters. With 50 LW and 28 parry, can take valour to 50 for top DD and debuffs and best str/con buff. High parry will help in RvR after it is fixed (i can even occasionally parry both a zerker's blades atm without the fix). Higher elf quickness and lower strength (not as significant at level 50) might reduce LW damage but does increase speed of attack slightly.

1h/S faster damage but will take more hits to kill someone. Can guard casters. Block and parry being fixed in RvR will improve block rate especially for an elf champ with higher dexterity. Due to speccing in 1h weapon and shield means less points for valour which may mean that DD/debuffs/self-buff are not as high as the 50/50/28 LW user. Limited to one damage type rather than 2 with LW. Supposedly, based on stats, a better template for elf champs.

Level 50LW style versus level 42 shield style

Advantages high damage and bonus to hit compared to slam and also two damage types rather than shield blunt damage. Disadvantages need to be behind enemy rather than close as with slam (the being fixed whilst mezzed will assist in that). Both have 9s stun. Both good for chasing fleeing dwarves (whilst being killed last night my his mates Hatchet Dwarf seemed never to stop running after I was after him) and casters

At the end of the day it is up to you. I used to be quite a rarity as an LW elf champ although now Helkhor has got there there is another and I know come respec Joxer and Demerzel will be respeccing.

For me I like to be able to dish out damage and seem to be doing ok in RvR when I go. I am very used to the LW styles, how they chain, etc which you would have to learn from scratch.

I don't know about you but I had an email today from GOA about respec which basically said think long and hard. I am fortunate i do not need to (apart from shall i respec 7 blunt to 7 pierce but that is only playing with left over points) but someone who has gone all the way with 1h/s may live to regret it.

I would suggest strongly trying Gorre out when Hib/Excal is on, asking someone to lend you an LW (or making sure you have one in your vault before the database copy) and trying it out. You will not alter your exisiting character and only you can decide which is best for you.

Hope that helps and message me in game if you wish to know any more.

 

[yadleen]

Thanks Elric,

It was the email from GOA that made me think hard about this. The thought of respeccing then not liking my character is a nightmare. I think I'll take your advice and test on Gorre when I have an opportunity.

 

[JoxerTheMighty]

I kinda had a struggle with myself a while ago. To respec or not to respec...that was the question.

Ahem..anyways...I made a post about that in the Hall of Valor. Go to http://www.hallofvalor.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=208&forum=6&7 to view it.

Might be interesting

Otherwise...as Elric already said. Test it out on Gorre first...If GOA ever comes around to patch it to this language

 

[lofff]

uhm... well, tempting sum antilofff fellow flames, here we go ^^

Till block/parry gets really fixed on rvr (wich is bit improved in incoming patches, but still not as good as it should) when who knows mb everybody will need a respec to shield (getting blocked or parried a lot with a 2H weapon will b a nightmare), till then, LW is the way to go so far, pick the slowest weapon u can get and get rdy me friend cos ur a homing missile

50valor
50LW
27parry
7shields (engage) <--- archer inmunity worths droping 1 point parry.
71h (spare points and taunt) <--- yes, sumtimes ud still do better with ur 7s/71h in pve than with ur capped LW. (pbaoe groups etc etc)


Also LW is prolly one of the best specs in game due to anihilation and since it opens 2 different dmg types, slash and crush, till 1.52 slash is more than useless but form 1.52+ every lwer will hang with those swords a lot.

There is also couple of hybrid specs:
40valor
42shields
44lw
21parry
81handed

That spec is meant for slam + lw, but i find this preety silly since anihilation is prolly the coolest lvl50style in game. same 9 sec stun than slam but higher chance to hit, really HIGHER dmg and half end cost, ofc from behind... requires sum skillz.
Also that spec loses the the last dd, the last str/con buff, and... well the rest of losses does not really count


Actually am missing couple of points for mop3 (well been missing them for a month since am not playing lofff ) but with mop2, 196str and 65lw... omf id post sum screenies with sum hits ^^ crit anihilation is almost cheat Ive oneshooted blue tanks, and critting for 800-900 on yellow cons plus DDs plus the 9sec stun...

 

[lofff]

Picked different weapons pics (its not that legion crushers makes that huge difference, buffs do)

Hibernian Wrath hammer ---> http://lofff.galeon.com/oldbloodyredone.jpg

Crafted sledge (thx ort) ---> http://lofff.galeon.com/crafted97qua.jpg

Legion Soul Crusher ---> http://lofff.galeon.com/nothertincan.jpg



Also crits aint always that good ---> http://lofff.galeon.com/suckycrit.jpg


H8 zeging ---> http://lofff.galeon.com/dorfzerged.jpg

Works better on blues ---> http://lofff.galeon.com/bluedorf.jpg

Always cool on stealthers ---> http://lofff.galeon.com/stealther.jpg

Buffed ones too ---> http://lofff.galeon.com/anarkiss.jpg

WTF ---> http://lofff.galeon.com/40shcorpseparry.jpg



off-topic ones ^^:

Taking cruachon ---> http://lofff.galeon.com/eekmetincan.jpg

And yes we failed defending it ---> http://lofff.galeon.com/prydzerg.jpg

Lews sweetness ---> http://lofff.galeon.com/lewslove.jpg




Well hope this helps but best is to test urself in gorre

 

[JoxerTheMighty]

Nice damage you did there, Lofff. Just a small question (or two): How much damage do you cause with another move? I think all the screens show you after a successful "Annihilation".

Oh...and what move do you recommend for a normal PvE-fight (or what chain)?

Thanks for your time

 

[old.Charonel]

well us casters have it easier , since i've specced pure void and nothing else, a single line respec is exactly the same as a full respec, so if when i fully respec to mana when we get patched, if i dont like it, i can just fully respec again ina few levels time when i hit lvl 40 .

that, coupled with gorre (which i'm beginning to think about using to test respec) gives me effectively three full respecs in which to decide which spec line i want to focus on since there are only three spec lines to chose from...well

but you tanks... oh well

 

[lofff]

Originally posted by JoxerTheMighty
Nice damage you did there, Lofff. Just a small question (or two): How much damage do you cause with another move? I think all the screens show you after a successful "Annihilation".

Oh...and what move do you recommend for a normal PvE-fight (or what chain)?

Thanks for your time

Mostly i use anihilation 80%rvr. Always Celtic fury as backup (yes, 6lw taunt - hits higher than domination and almost as good as frontal but half end cost, and penalty to defence ofc)

Actually Anarkiss.jpg one was frontal assault if i remember properly.

Celtic Fury is much more variable and lower dmg... usually 350-500 on 50sh but hitting 200-250 on fuggers like alpha (been me not buffed)

Buffs make THE difference. SELFBUFF is so gonna rock



On pve usually u got a bard so u can go frontal all the time landing the parry chain a lot. But still s/1h will b better on AE groups. Guard1 is so cool on pve ^^ blocking jugger 3-4times in a row and stuff (block and parry rates need fixing soooo bad )

 

[lofff]

Originally posted by old.Charonel
well us casters have it easier , since i've specced pure void and nothing else, a single line respec is exactly the same as a full respec, so if when i fully respec to mana when we get patched, if i dont like it, i can just fully respec again ina few levels time when i hit lvl 40 .

that, coupled with gorre (which i'm beginning to think about using to test respec) gives me effectively three full respecs in which to decide which spec line i want to focus on since there are only three spec lines to chose from...well

but you tanks... oh well

Theres really 1-2 good specs each class in daoc

 

[old.Laryssa]

Originally posted by lofff

50valor
50LW
27parry
7shields (engage) <--- archer inmunity worths droping 1 point parry.
71h (spare points and taunt) <--- yes, sumtimes ud still do better with ur 7s/71h in pve than with ur capped LW. (pbaoe groups etc etc)

Guess will respec my champ to this template - or drop even one additional parry to get shield to 10 for guard II.

 

[lofff]

that works too laryssa, mainly for pve ofc (intercept does preety well on rvr saving groupies now, no need to pull the shield out all the way as the oldtimes)

Anyways ud get 40+ parry easily with itamz and ras, am 40 - 42 parry atm (depends on sum gear i swap oftenly)

 

[Elric IA]

Blunts at level 7 have the detaunt rather than the taunt style (level 8 for taunt) that is why i am thinking of respecing. Blades and pierce get taunt at level 6.

Nice crits Lofff i think my record is over 700 on a troll shaman but i hit a blue con troll for 621 with annhialation the other day on just base damage. Bear in mind a str/con debuff (I have wild arcana 1 so i can crit them 5% of the time) , our str/con buff and MoPain plus a nice high quality weapon (mine is an Ort one too) and 1000 damage is not unreasonable and I suspect if the numbers came up a 1200 damage hit is possible (even for elves!!)

 

[JoxerTheMighty]

Originally posted by Celtic Dreams
I suspect if the numbers came up a 1200 damage hit is possible (even for elves!!)

Aye...picture this: a tiny little elf kicking a fat trollzerkers arse. God..I think I love this patch

 

[Cloak_]

Having gone the Slam -> LW route myself atm I have to agree with Lofff that the only move I mainly use in RvR is Celtic Fury. (since I dont have lvl50style )

Frontal Assualt is nice but after a Slam the end use is horrendous :/

Rage - Hib - Gigantic = 3 Parry Chain and is gr8 DMG also V.Low on end use.

 

[Elric IA]

The other advantage of Celtic Fury is that it is not a positional style whereas Frontal assault is.

 

[Kobold]

As champ I would go LW...and make LW to 50 (!!!!!)
I'm hybird hero (bit gimped) got LW 45, and I'm droooooling to get Annihilation after respec. In RvR I use frontal assault with domination as backup. Have thought about respeccing to CS but....hell now I luv LW, and Annihilation makes it even better

 

[lofff]

hehe, many times i wish i was a short luri kicking tall trolls... it must b so embarrasing.

1200dmg aint that hard --- Last time i played on a netcafe with sum RL mates, a fat troll from whiterose showed me sum nice flames in /gu bout a lvl43 skald who got DD-HIT shooted. (200sh +950hit) OH yes, i LUV LW.

And yes, the main reason to use taunt as backup is the "anytime" thing. Always use an anytime as backup or ull find urself hitting wo style many times.


ps: Eternal check urself Domination and Celtic Fury dmg on different mobs, ud finally see how Celtic Fury hits harder for half Domination end cost. Thats one of the bugs to fix reported by the Champion TL on the US. (long ago)

 

[Kobold]

ps: Eternal check urself Domination and Celtic Fury dmg on different mobs, ud finally see how Celtic Fury hits harder for half Domination end cost. Thats one of the bugs to fix reported by the Champion TL on the US. (long ago)

Hmmm thats a bit wierd, think I tested it out some time looooong ago, so I was sure domination gave more dam than celtic fury since thats a taunt style and domination allso is anytime-use, not taunt and higher up in the LW spec....so then the domination is kinda totaly useless style. Sounds a bit odd, but might be right though, I'll test it out when get time (it's prolly worth using c.fury though if it's that much less end usage)