Fed up with africa

[Hawkwind]

quod erat demonstrandum

tantum ut gauisus iuvo

Not touched latin for over 20 years so cheated web is a wonderful thing.

 

[Zede]

/sigh

How many of your grandmothers brothers and sisters could not even have a drink of water without getting aids how many could not eat for weeks on end? Different situation entirely.

Someone with healthy children can have as many as they like but when you see your first child can not eat or drink not doing anything to stop having another is stupid and in that environment cruel. Lets not pretend the people of Africa are to stupid to know dick goes in kid comes out.

Did you do what I said ? obviously not. Jean Luc said it better than i ever could. Do I REALLY have list all the diseases/infections/viruses that existed in the UK prior to WW2 ? People in the UK had lots and lots of children because a lot of them DIED. Its totally the same you nitwit, people had lots of children because they knew some would die.

 

[Zede]

Yet, it didnt stop you from categorizing sum1 from just a reply, and you couldnt be more wrong here. Assuming that my reply was a kindly non aggresive one, and your main counterargument here was calling me a "young poster with no clue" I'm think im done arguing with you after this one.
As for the no clue at all... well i prolly know more about Chavez and latinamerican countries economies than you do, who, reading your comments, i bet is just another "wannabe anti-system" (see? i can patronize too ).
Not going further into the whole Chavez argument with you cuz it could be like arguing with a wall.

PS: when i said the only source of wealth, i was talking about corporations in general, not just the well known oil giant. And as for Venezuela having its wealth on their soil, well that doesnt make them anything different from the black africa countries. The problem remains, funds into the wrong hands.

Have a good one

wrong, wrong and wrong.

Its the oil, and only the oil that makes them so utterly different to ANY african country. Cluepons at the exit m8.

 

[Dukat]

Why did it take so long to react to Kosovo?
Why was it a Nato force?
What happened after? Were things better, well aside from the near genocide probably yes if u take the George Bush slant on things..

I dont know why it took so long to react to kosovo. I would imagine it was a NATO force due to the fact that Nato are a force consisting of many countries including most of the european powers and Kosovo is, infact, in europe.

What happened after? I believe things got slightly better.

Million and yes i use the word millions died, starved, emigrated, deported & throw off their land under the authority of "the empire" and you wonder why things are so fucked up in these countries now? And yeah u can include the Dutch, French, Portoguese & Spanish as well but if u put them all in a table and list the countires underneath each that has had problems its embarrasing tbh

I do wonder why things are 'so fucked up' in Africa at the moment. I wonder this because I would have hoped that the long disputes over territory, religion, nationality and money would've died down due to the sheer weight of the amount of deaths involved.

I do wonder why it is still on going, and why someone - be it the UK, US, Europe or, god forbid, the Africans themselves havent rallied together to find a solution to the many widespread and varied problems. I do not believe that "the empire"(s) were solely responsible. I have said this so many times now its almost silly.

Yes, we had a part to play.

However we are not the only reason for these problems. There are deep-seated problems in Africa that were around long before we ever arrived. The wars between the african tribes over territory are more akin to what is happening over there now than anything we taught them.

Do you really believe that they would all be living peacefully together right now if we had never gotten involved? Do you really believe that?

 

[soze]

Did you do what I said ? obviously not. Jean Luc said it better than i ever could. Do I REALLY have list all the diseases/infections/viruses that existed in the UK prior to WW2 ? People in the UK had lots and lots of children because a lot of them DIED. Its totally the same you nitwit, people had lots of children because they knew some would die.

Yes i did and i can't believe you called me a nitwit for thinking it is cruel to keep having children just for them to DIE of Starvation or Aids. When you know your kid will not survive but you keep having kids its stupid and cruel. And like i said before i do not care if thats England or Affrica. If a stupid chav girl gets pregnant to get a council flat and spend all her money on fags and drink not food for the kid its just as bad. Do you get my point now or do you want me to write it for a 5th time so you can ignore it again?

 

[Zede]

Agreed. My parents were both from very large families. The thing is, my parents were both brought up in households that could feed everyone, they lived comfortably.

Just because my parents came from big families means that I think that what soze is saying is against big families in general, as its obvious hes talking about having too many mouths to feed, and how it is selfish for parents in africa to have children that they have no way of feeding.

Are you deliberately missing the point here Zede?

For thousands of years, people across the world had big families, as as the statistics 100% agree with me, many children died. Please, I beseech you look it up ! People in Africa have lots of kids because the know a lot will die. Quoting a recent topic, "survival of the fittest" also applies to the human race. If you have 8 kids, and 6 die - result you won. If you only have 2 kids and both die, doh, you lost.

The idea of NOT having large families gradually decreased over the last 50 years, as as you know quality of living went up, so mortaility rates in children decreased, you see the corelation !

 

[Zede]

Yes i did and i can't believe you called me a nitwit for thinking it is cruel to keep having children just for them to DIE of Starvation or Aids. When you know your kid will not survive but you keep having kids its stupid and cruel. And like i said before i do not care if thats England or Affrica. If a stupid chav girl gets pregnant to get a council flat and spend all her money on fags and drink not food for the kid its just as bad. Do you get my point now or do you want me to write it for a 5th time so you can ignore it again?

Sorry, but history shows I am 100% right. Yes, people in history had children, knowing many would die, thats why they had so many.....so a few would live....genius !

The wisdom of the Captain is infinite.

 

[Dukat]

For thousands of years, people across the world had big families, as as the statistics 100% agree with me, many children died. Please, I beseech you look it up ! People in Africa have lots of kids because the know a lot will die. Quoting a recent topic, "survival of the fittest" also applies to the human race. If you have 8 kids, and 6 die - result you won. If you only have 2 kids and both die, doh, you lost.

The idea of NOT having large families gradually decreased over the last 50 years, as as you know quality of living went up, so mortaility rates in children decreased, you see the corelation !

I understand what you are saying, and I agree this is possibly the reason, but I agree with soze that it is also a part of the problem.

 

[soze]

Sorry, but history shows I am 100% right. Yes, people in history had children, knowing many would die, thats why they had so many.....so a few would live....genius !

The wisdom of the Captain is infinite.

Yeah thats fine just say to your son as he is dieing "Sorry you have never had a full belly or clean water but do you know what i have 9 other children one of you might make it"

I do not care what history shows im saying it is a creul thing to have a child that is doomed to death just because you want one.

 

[Aiteal]

I for one am sick of seeing this Kenya stuff on TV
Especially when it means the news reports have less time to focus on what's happening between Cheryl and Ashley Cole.

 

[Zede]

Yeah thats fine just say to your son as he is dieing "Sorry you have never had a full belly or clean water but do you know what i have 9 other children one of you might make it"

I do not care what history shows im saying it is a creul thing to have a child that is doomed to death just because you want one.

Your right, it is cruel & absolutely should not be the case in this day and age. The corps dont give a shit about africa, why market a drug that can save millions if you cannot make any money out if it ?

People in Europe realised after the 40s that the kids who once died young were not dying anymore, mainly becuase medicine was available. Just a shred of Altruism from the likes Astra/Zeneca/ Bristol Myers would be one good piece in the african jigsaw.

 

[Jupiter]

Sorry, but history shows I am 100% right. Yes, people in history had children, knowing many would die, thats why they had so many.....so a few would live....genius !

The wisdom of the Captain is infinite.

Besides that fact that they cant afford contraception as well as it being shunned by the catholic church. Do you (not directed at you but people in general) have unprotected sex (if u are not family planning that is)?

 

[Jupiter]

Just a shred of Altruism from the likes Astra/Zeneca/ Bristol Myers would be one good piece in the african jigsaw.

Exactly, which is why i made the comment about western civilsation taking their collective boot off their heads. Aids drugs, contraceptives etc can be all provided nealry free of charge but they wont do it because there is nothing in it for them!

The chinese did it in a different and sick way by not allowing people have more than 2 kids and most female new borns were abandoned

 

[Sharma]

The chinese did it in a different and sick way by not allowing people have more than 2 kids and most female new borns were abandoned

Might be sick but it's bloody effective.

Would never happen over here unfortunately since we're way too far up our own arses over morals.

 

[Jupiter]

Might be sick but it's bloody effective.

Would never happen over here unfortunately since we're way too far up our own arses over morals.

Thank god for democracy huh. Can just see it now in a monthyphython way.. knock knock sorry mrs sharma but u've had over ur quota of kids*bang* plus we've come for ur kidneys

 

[soze]

If i was in charge first thing i would do is steralise all males or females from 14 up. Would have to be reversable. And then i would make people apply for kids and when you can prove you can afford a kids and have a safe enviroment it could be reversed that will fuck up the life plan of lots of essex girls whos whole plan is get pregnant get flat live on social

 

[Roalith]

It'd also completely destroy our population balance. As things stand at the moment the British population is in decline, and the average age of the population is getting older.

Now, not saying the decline is a bad thing, but makes you stop for a second and think.

 

[Jupiter]

It'd also completely destroy our population balance. As things stand at the moment the British population is in decline, and the average age of the population is getting older.

Now, not saying the decline is a bad thing, but makes you stop for a second and think.

yep and when u get to retirement age there will be no tax payers to pay ur pension

 

[soze]

It'd also completely destroy our population balance. As things stand at the moment the British population is in decline, and the average age of the population is getting older.

Now, not saying the decline is a bad thing, but makes you stop for a second and think.

And that is why i will never be in power Did not say it was the smartest move

 

[Raven]

Why did it take so long to react to Kosovo?
Why was it a Nato force?
What happened after? Were things better, well aside from the near genocide probably yes if u take the George Bush slant on things..

Million and yes i use the word millions died, starved, emigrated, deported & throw off their land under the authority of "the empire" and you wonder why things are so fucked up in these countries now? And yeah u can include the Dutch, French, Portoguese & Spanish as well but if u put them all in a table and list the countires underneath each that has had problems its embarrasing tbh

Feel free to demonstrate where your country has intervened to try and bring order back to a region. Why does everyone wait for the UK and America to get involved before they do anything? Then if it does go tits up whine their little hearts out. When your country puts its balls on the line come back and complain about other countries reputations.
I am not saying what we do is right, I even partly agree with you, there are many messed up places around that don't get help from the west, Zimbabwe for instance but they are not actively targeting the west and have next to nothing to offer in return so i guess they go to the bottom of the pile.
We had to be very careful with the Balkans, we were probably to careful but there was potentially a lot of political flak in getting involved.

Its rather amusing that when we Brits are rightfully proud of our history (saving your ungrateful arses in WW2 etc) we get told to shut up, it was ages ago, but you still whine about the empire

 

[Jupiter]

Its rather amusing that when we Brits are rightfully proud of our history (saving your ungrateful arses in WW2 etc) we get told to shut up, it was ages ago, but you still whine about the empire

Hahahah and here's me thinkin the yanks bailed yea out in both World Wars hahahhahah

 

[Gorbachioo]

Personally i dont blame the UK for having colonies. If it were up to me they would still be a part of the UK. (For reasons that i will list if anyone cares).

Its the way the indepence process was handled. And the things we (the west) do to them now that pisses me off. We are responsible for the situation in Africa.

 

[Raven]

No they didn't, Germany wouldn't have been able to invade the UK, we had already dominated them in the air and were winning at sea. Yes they made it possible to push into France and eventually Germany but the didn't bail us out.

 

[Castus]

No they didn't, Germany wouldn't have been able to invade the UK, we had already dominated them in the air and were winning at sea. Yes they made it possible to push into France and eventually Germany but the didn't bail us out.

I bet they still have a may pole in your village

 

[Raven]

No, we have a flag though, which probably offends you right?

 

[Jupiter]

No they didn't, Germany wouldn't have been able to invade the UK, we had already dominated them in the air and were winning at sea. Yes they made it possible to push into France and eventually Germany but the didn't bail us out.

ROFL, do you actually believe that, because most historians have written and believe that the UK was on its knees at the end of the blitz (even government records show that). It was a pure fluke that they stopped the blitz when they did but hey u is r0x0r

 

[Raven]

No, it wasn't a pure fluke that they stopped the blitz, its was crappy leadership in Germany, it was the RAF that was on its knees, the blitz was what lost Germany the air war. Germany stopped bombing airfields and started on cities, the RAF recovered and won the airwar, with the introduction of radar, the capture of enigma and better planes the bombing raids became less and less effective, it got to the point that we (along with the Americans) had free access of the German skys demolishing entire cities over night. The bombs that landed on the east end of London only made people stronger.

Please, tell me again what your country did in world war 2?

 

[Jupiter]

Please, tell me again what your country did in world war 2?

In WW1 450,000 of my country men served in the British army of which 50K died, in WW2 about 150k.......

 

[Raven]

which country would that be then?

 

[Jupiter]

which country would that be then?

I'm Irish, and the historical irony of the irish would be lost on u