fat bitch

[Lightfighter]

You're basing your argument on the same thing that everyone else does; This won't solve anything because of X problems in it.

And you're not, when you critisize the support-system? To find flaws in the opponents arguments is merely the basics of argumentation...

IT's part of the solution, swap extra cash for a trainer is the simplest. I'm nto going to plan the whole system as i don't know how your government works, but it would be better then simply going "take money you fatties". My solution also isn't "just give them education m8s", you seeing it as such says more about you.

This istn't about my government (the Swedish one), I'm talking about the one you're talking about... And what do you mean it "says more about me?" I'm not being personal in this thread, merely expressing myself lazily due to that post being posted late .

I'm not talking about a fat camp wheere men in leather tights scream "Eat thiz and run hear!!" i'm talking about personal help. It's not as expensive and the benefits would work.

Good, personal help would indeed be the best, but to hire personal trainers for everyone would be a f*ckload more expensive then the fat-camp. It's not reasonable to asume the government should go for this when it's probably cheaper and easier to give people support (this point is arguable yes, just some speculation, don't go ape-shit on me if you don't agree xD).

Saying it's "the best it gets" is the simple minded apathy people have, that has basically lead the UK from the mighty empire it was, to the chav fatty generation it is now. Hell, you lot can't even speak english anymore.(not all)

True, but I don't expect to change the system in a FH-thread either, so I'm trying to look at the bright side and accept it for the way it is, and try to find good things about it, since this thread needs a counter-point from your system-flaming.

Those who've made the system haven't, most likely like with all government systems, thought about the best solutiopn, but A: their own hide and B: money.

Maybe they have, maybe they haven't... Even if they did just care about themselves, it's still not necesserily true that any other system would be better.

Or am i missing something? Was the UK popupous happy with their government systems on last check?

the popopous are never happy with anything ;P

You need to educate the people, in schools, at home and stop throwing money at problems that will only make it worse.

Educate more people in schools is good, but once again, you can't stop giving people who need help money, even if it does make the weightlosing harder for people when they get easy cash, those who can't loose wieght will need it. This creates an evil circle as long as the support-system is around in it's current shape, and you can't just remove it, nor can you "force-educate" people. I'm not saying this system r0xors, I'm merely saying it istn't to bad when facing other alternatives, since the one you suggest simply won't work.

Weight-gaining is unavoidable in any society in the world and usually comes hand-in-hand with wellfare and prosperity, giving people the opportunity to treat themselves better. In the end, each person has the responsibility for their own body. While the government has responsibilites the watch over the health of their citizens, you can't blame it because people eat to much, nor because they give support to people who can't work due to their overweight.

If the will to loose wieght is present, the individual will be able to loose his weight on his/her own. However, if there is no will, then it doesn't matter how much you educate someone, as I've previously stated. An educational system would help this process yes, as would probably many things, but it shouldn't be essential.

It might be merely a part of the solution that you're suggesting, and I'll agree to the extent to simply educate people when they're in school about eating healthy, but when they've graduated, education doesn't cut it anymore. If they didn't listen in school, they might not listen afterwards either.

So just update the school-educational-system a bit, and it'll be a step along the way

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well on a few points;

Giving money for simply being overweight, to ANY overweight, isn't working as money doesn't motivate you to lose weight, on the contrary, it gives the impression that it's ok to be overweight.

If someone has a legit reason for it, granted, support is needed. Need simply to do it case by case, or even automated medical reason etc.

I'm not tryign to fix the system, i'm giving an option for it. Opinion if you will.

It's not necessary true other systems are better, but at same point, they might.

You don't necessarily need one on one trainers, but groups of smaller, where the trainer can see enough individual points. 5 people, 600 bonus to a trainer, that's a 3k/month for a trainer to work with 5 people. Simply put. But it doesn't mean that a fatcamp would be a solution either. BAlance in everything.

In my opinion it's just in need of a change, perhaps not exactly what i say, but something still, especially when i think we both can agree that kids learn from their parents and these habits then enter the cycle.

Popupous is dumb

 

[kiliarien]

Saying it's "the best it gets" is the simple minded apathy people have, that has basically lead the UK from the mighty empire it was, to the chav fatty generation it is now. Hell, you lot can't even speak english anymore.(not all)

Don't make a shitty generalisation and then put (not all) after it. I understand english isn't your mother tongue but you make enough mistakes using it, so kindly stfu about others that get it wrong.

 

[Aoami]

Saying it's "the best it gets" is the simple minded apathy people have, that has basically lead the UK from the mighty empire it was, to the chav fatty generation it is now. Hell, you lot can't even speak english anymore.(not all)

by (not all) do you mean the 99% of the country that do not fit into the category that you described?

watch less tv.

 

[fettoken]

Tohtori, you might as well say "i am right and you are wrong" in every post. It would save people time if they decide to read. ....you suck!

 

[Ctuchik]

While it's granted that she might simply be a lazy fat b*tch(would have to know her to call on that), it's equally possible that part of the blame can be shifted towards the weight watchers bull and towards the lack of knowledge on healthy eating.

Look at British school foods for example(only example i know that is a problem). It's not like the schooling system advocates healthy eating.

The weight watchers a lovely system though, from moneymaking point of view, get people thinner by selling them more expensive brands of WW poo and make them believe that's the only way.

toht, stop reading freud books, its not working

 

[old.Tohtori]

Don't make a shitty generalisation and then put (not all) after it. I understand english isn't your mother tongue but you make enough mistakes using it, so kindly stfu about others that get it wrong.

Due apologies if it offended you, it was poorly written.

All i'm going to say about it.

Tohtori, you might as well say "i am right and you are wrong" in every post. It would save people time if they decide to read. ....you suck!

Just one line i believe.

 

[Bugz]

A lot of ignorance in this thread...

 

[Lethul]

Wouldn't it be easier to send them to death row once they reach a certain BMI?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Wouldn't it be easier to send them to death row once they reach a certain BMI?

Wait until humanity reaches a point where cows aren't around anymore.

McUSA-burger sir?

 

[Zita]

Wait until humanity reaches a point where cows aren't around anymore.

McUSA-burger sir?

2 please