FAO Xanthian

[Rollie]

Originally posted by ab_fluid
no, i left middie well over a year ago, well before i knew fotm's even existed?

Originally posted by ab_fluid
you are aware that the healer has been fotm for like ever?

So you know healers have always been FoTM, despite hardly anyone playing one back then which tbh contradicts the usual theory behind the term FoTM ie lots of ppl roll one because of its strengths.

And you moved to hibby at the height of its power but you didnt know what FoTM was and your moved wasnt influenced at all by the way hibernia was outperforming the other realms with ease, yet you knew that the healer has always been FoTM?

 

[zmurf]

Re: Re: FAO Xanthian

Originally posted by ab_fluid
your a dumb bastard, you just admitted u play shit, you beat us about 50% of the time, even with ur fotm grp, i am 100% sure i've seen more than zeeke in ur grps before who is above rr6 i just don't bother taking names in random fotm wannabe NP guild #764543. Don't come on these boards pretending ur good players in that guild, ur just another random bunch of geeks who will roll the next fotm classes/realm when the time comes for savages to be nerfed. You even ran 2fg around emain tonight i mean, damn is it so bad that you can't win enough in 1fg fotm that u need to join up with others?

Could u pick 1 of em plz ? Either they think their shit, or they think their good, can't really be both ... or can it ?

 

[ab_fluid]

Re: Re: Re: FAO Xanthian

Originally posted by zmurf
Could u pick 1 of em plz ? Either they think their shit, or they think their good, can't really be both ... or can it ?

where did i say they think they are shit? i said regarding the original post saying how they don't need to assist vs us is them playing shit i.e not using any form of /assist etc etc, doesn't mean that THEY think they are shit they could think that playing with no assist is the leetest most skilled form of play in the world, however the impression they give on these boards in general is that they do think they are good players.

 

[Wot-do]

.

Healer got it all

44/30

asd
instanst singel stun
instant ae stun
castable singel/ae(2nd best)
instant singel mezz
instant ae mezz
Best castable mezz
first spreadheal
instant grp heal 50%
instant singel heal 50%
Castable Root
Chain
Con as 2ndary stat

Healing and CC on same char, besides
bards cc is a joke compared to healer, having only mezz
while healer got root, stun, root.

oh well enough said, ppl will stilll keep believing , its themself being uber and not the game being inbalanced.

Im not saying all mids are noobs or smth like that its just a fact its alot easier to win, I think some ppl are good they know their stuffs, But lika tyka said so much ppl who lost over and over, who suddenly became UBER over one night

I also agree hibs whine like shit when losing :>

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by Rollie
So you know healers have always been FoTM, despite hardly anyone playing one back then which tbh contradicts the usual theory behind the term FoTM ie lots of ppl roll one because of its strengths.

And you moved to hibby at the height of its power but you didnt know what FoTM was and your moved wasnt influenced at all by the way hibernia was outperforming the other realms with ease, yet you knew that the healer has always been FoTM?

Midgard has always been fotm, hibs however only have skilled players who happened to pick the best classes without having a clue about them being good, didnt you know?

 

[ab_fluid]

Originally posted by Rollie
So you know healers have always been FoTM, despite hardly anyone playing one back then which tbh contradicts the usual theory behind the term FoTM ie lots of ppl roll one because of its strengths.

And you moved to hibby at the height of its power but you didnt know what FoTM was and your moved wasnt influenced at all by the way hibernia was outperforming the other realms with ease, yet you knew that the healer has always been FoTM?

afaik like hibbiy wasn't at the height of its power when i moved there, they had even lower population than they had now, not that i really need to explain my reasons for switching realms to you, but i moved to hib because 5/6 people i played my last online game with all decided to come to daoc and they rolled hib, so i went and joined them there, if u wanna see that as me hopping to the overpowered realm then so be it, fact remains i still play here now on my complete polar opposite of fotm warden, take it as you like.

As for the lots of people rolling it because of its stregnth part, that is true in some situatuions such as the savages nowadays as you can fit 3 in a grp no probs, but back when the groups had 1 or 2 healers wasn't because healers where shit and nobody would roll them, but because the game was played differently then, same way in which hib groups used to use 1 druid, 1 bard, 1 warden, 4 chanters, hero, whatever, the games evolved and more healers are needed to make the current "perfect group". There are a lot more healers around now than there was when you rolled yours... Why? not because they have got more powerful, but because the current perfect group needs more of them.

 

[Rollie]

Re: .

Originally posted by Wot-do
Healer got it all

44/30

asd
instanst singel stun
instant ae stun
castable singel/ae(2nd best)
instant singel mezz
instant ae mezz
Best castable mezz
first spreadheal
instant grp heal 50%
instant singel heal 50%
Castable Root
Chain
Con as 2ndary stat

Healing and CC on same char, besides
bards cc is a joke compared to healer, having only mezz
while healer got root, stun, root.

oh well enough said, ppl will stilll keep believing , its themself being uber and not the game being inbalanced.

Im not saying all mids are noobs or smth like that its just a fact its alot easier to win, I think some ppl are good they know their stuffs, But lika tyka said so much ppl who lost over and over, who suddenly became UBER over one night

i wont dispute the fact a healer is a strong class and imho its the best support class in game, but like i pointed out earlier regarding the "ppl who lost over and over who now rock etc" same can be said for hibs when they were most powerful and chanters ruled and each hib mage had a 9 sec stun. I know all realms have good players etc, just pointing out that actual sentence is flawed in a game where the power shifts depending on patches.

As for the 44/30 template, that wasnt a viable option when i rolled my healer, we didnt have spread heals

 

[ab_fluid]

Originally posted by noaim
Midgard has always been fotm, hibs however only have skilled players who happened to pick the best classes without having a clue about them being good, didnt you know?

yeh, i musta had fuck all clue, cos i chose to play a warden :/

 

[Stallion-]

omg why do you try to convice some ppl...

Xan = bad loser...period

but who isnt... to a degree

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Can i ask something...

Why is ASD so important all of a sudden?

ASD has been in the game since the begginging, and its not as if its only healers that have it...hardly the bread an butter of our class.

Been inthe game so long, an ppl only just started whining about it...is that because zerks have already been nerfed, a savage nerf is looming in the distance an you guys are running outta reasons for losing?

I mean, post 1.65, what will you guys do when you lose to a bunch of mids?


...That patch really will prove who is shit, not mids, but the fags who claim they only lose cossa ASD+Savages.

So...1.65 if you lose to any group from Midgard, your officially shit.

 

[Carlos Bananos]

an fyi the 40/30 spreadhealer isnt that uber, nor group making.

The healing of the template is purly backup, its job is CC, which...without the insta AE spells (shitty radius doesnt count.) isnt that imprsseive.

The real Healer that makes a difference is 40mend, 36 pac.

Ghetto-PR + with MoC > All.

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by ab_fluid
yeh, i musta had fuck all clue, cos i chose to play a warden :/

Believe it or not, not every middie has a savage, just like not every hib had a caster when casters were overpowered.

And every mid who has a savage, didnt roll it cause they are uber, just like every hib who rolled a caster back when they rocked, didnt roll it cause they were uber.

I might be wrong, but I seem to remember most people saying "h2h savages are fine, its the 2h that swings at cap speed that needs a nerf" when most savages were low RR. Yet lots of people played h2h. But as I said, I might be wrong, my memory isnt the best.

But whats the use arguing, except getting +1 for every post, its not like someone will say something that will make people see it from the perspective of the other realms anyways.

 

[Stallion-]

the ASD means u can interrupt who ever you want when u want... thats like having 2 more tanks hitting a target with heals... insta interrupts on 5 sec timer is by far the best...

vs NP we could see if they used it or not... usaly they dont... to have a better fights, when they do... its ALOT harder... n

now xanthian is prolly gonna say omg you s00k... well....

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by ab_fluid
now on my complete polar opposite of fotm warden, take it as you like.

Much like me on my skald, yet you quoted my post when i mentioned my skald and posted about my healer, if you looked i dont actually play my healer anymore

Originally posted by ab_fluid
As for the lots of people rolling it because of its stregnth part, that is true in some situatuions such as the savages nowadays as you can fit 3 in a grp no probs, but back when the groups had 1 or 2 healers wasn't because healers where shit and nobody would roll them, but because the game was played differently then, same way in which hib groups used to use 1 druid, 1 bard, 1 warden, 4 chanters, hero, whatever, the games evolved and more healers are needed to make the current "perfect group". There are a lot more healers around now than there was when you rolled yours... Why? not because they have got more powerful, but because the current perfect group needs more of them. [/B]

I disagree with this tbh, when i xp'd my healer finding groups was easy due to the shortage of healers, when i dinged 50 i was regularly the only healer in rvr groups and at this time middy rvr was at a very low, rarely saw more than 30 ppl in emain. So imho i wouldnt call my healer FoTM back then, but now that can be questioned with more "rvr" guild appearing everyday the demand for healers has increased. Also the "view" on healers seems to have changed in the last 6 months from a boring support class to one of much fun. So really the healer hasnt ALWAYS been FoTM, but could be classed as FoTM now with the games progression

But on this subject i guess it might be a case of agree to disagree

 

[kirennia]

Originally posted by Carlos Bananos
Can i ask something...

Why is ASD so important all of a sudden?

ASD has been in the game since the begginging, and its not as if its only healers that have it...hardly the bread an butter of our class.

Been inthe game so long, an ppl only just started whining about it...is that because zerks have already been nerfed, a savage nerf is looming in the distance an you guys are running outta reasons for losing?

I mean, post 1.65, what will you guys do when you lose to a bunch of mids?


...That patch really will prove who is shit, not mids, but the fags who claim they only lose cossa ASD+Savages.

So...1.65 if you lose to any group from Midgard, your officially shit.

tbh, it'll carry on until they properly fix the classes.

By your comments, do you mean that zerkers didnt need a nerf? Savages dont need a nerf? healers arent the best support class in game? Even SBs didnt need a nerf (although they went too far)?

Sort out the balance and the whines will stop.

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by kirennia
tbh, it'll carry on until they properly fix the classes.

By your comments, do you mean that zerkers didnt need a nerf? Savages dont need a nerf? healers arent the best support class in game? Even SBs didnt need a nerf (although they went too far)?

Sort out the balance and the whines will stop.

I knew for a fact that zerkers where overpowered, i know savages are overpowered, but you think everyone else doesnt already? its fucking obvious.

my point is, ASD has been here forever, yet the whines only started recently, perhaps coincidence that the last real overpowered mid class was getting nerfed...ppl need an excuse to lose post patch.

Also, its only hibs + albs whining about ASD on healers, yet Chanters have the exact same spell

And people really need to play healer before they say so much...you either chose 1 or the other....Good CC, or Good healing, the 44/30 temp balances both, but its as 'uber' as a mincer is a 'good all round tank'.

for the most part, a healer is simply a bard+druid in 1 class, but due to speccing, you need more than 1 to match thier CC and healing output.

3 healers= 1bard + 2 druids. Without Pets. Without End chant. (but omg they have insta speed break instead of insta root.)


Stun sux, any mincer or chanter will tell you that.

 

[Garbannoch Nox]

please don't nerf midgard

i really enjoy the fights when the savages brainlessly hammer f8 and stick the nearest target and keep standing within PB spam even if all their healers got pets on them
really - tank groups are the easiest to beat for us (except NP ofc) - it's so hilarious to see 2-3 tanks hitting on a target trying to get it down before they get wiped by PBAOE spam; there is no group except NP that realises when someone MOCs and it is time to leave the target for 15 secs (hard innit)

to the people thinking every hib caster is a chanter: you are very wrong; in the meantime i would say there are more elds than chanters in RvR - and eld can hardly be considered overpowered although it is a very good class
as for VGN: the people i know there are still playing the same classes they used to play a year or more ago - ie not rerolled fotm BMs or whatever like every second mid did when zerkers got nerfed and they were not able to one shoot cloth wearers anymore

really mids, keep coming with your fotms but don't team up when you get owned and owned again like yesterday

 

[Stallion-]

Originally posted by Garbannoch Nox
really mids, keep coming with your fotms but don't team up when you get owned and owned again like yesterday

you hear. dont team up... :bore:

 

[Carlos Bananos]

My point is, once savages get nerfed..


Will it finally be accepted that when hibs/mids lose to a group, its simply because the mids played better than them?

or will us being able to play Frostalf Shamen have such an effect they're the only reason we win?



And Garba, yea, you guys own most mid groups, but apparently, according to whine, your lieing...Since any rr1 fotm savage group can kill ANY skilled rr9+ hib group.



I think we're onto something here guys...

Garbas group rapes some savage group.
Xanths group loses to the same savage group!



Someone sucks, and i dont think its the savages

 

[Tyka]

Carlos my dear friend, did u read my first post in this thread ?

See of it this way, when you played ur dwarf caster you were alot better player than me because of obvious reasons, but 1-2 patches later after that i suddenly become the better player?

If you remember my hero you know what im talking about.

This is what some ppl are claiming on these forums and that is the reason why xan wrote what he did on irc (wich btw if u did'nt like you should just have replied to him there). Ppl roll different classes to be able to beat us and now suddenly they're better players?

Come on you know better than that.

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by Garbannoch Nox

really mids, keep coming with your fotms but don't team up when you get owned and owned again like yesterday

tbh your group is by far the hardest hib group we have encountered and i hope you run 1fg more since your all mainly rr8/9/10/11 its incredibly hard to beat you and beating you would indeed be rewarding, btw lets be honest garb, its quite often we see you in the thick of a zerg

 

[Garbannoch Nox]

Originally posted by Carlos Bananos
Also, its only hibs + albs whining about ASD on healers, yet Chanters have the exact same spell

the difference is that you have 3 healers in each group where there is 0-2 chanters in each group. No tank groups has chanters in it and therefore if there are chanters in the group it is a mage group and relies on the damage of the mages => it is difficult enough to do damage with a mage if your opponents are not complete idiots and using asd simultaneously is not that easy

 

[Garbannoch Nox]

Originally posted by Carlos Bananos
My point is, once savages get nerfed..


Will it finally be accepted that when hibs/mids lose to a group, its simply because the mids played better than them?

or will us being able to play Frostalf Shamen have such an effect they're the only reason we win?



And Garba, yea, you guys own most mid groups, but apparently, according to whine, your lieing...Since any rr1 fotm savage group can kill ANY skilled rr9+ hib group.



I think we're onto something here guys...

Garbas group rapes some savage group.
Xanths group loses to the same savage group!



Someone sucks, and i dont think its the savages

you forget that our group is pretty high RR and getting hit by a rr2 savage for 700+ damage takes the piss - i think this is what it comes down to in the end

 

[Slu]

Originally posted by ab_fluid
If you look who started the thread/whine it was your GM, this thread would not have existed and been better for all if he/she/it had kept their mouth closed. However as long as i see a thread on these forums flaming my guild or members of it i will be there backing them up, maybe you should speak tou your guild before they make any more threads like this and make themselves look even more stupid than they currently do.

Why should I? I don't mind this thread being here at all. Helps to clear up certain things, good or bad depends on the eye looking.

Originally posted by ab_fluid
About the fotm chanter groups, tbh, the best casters in vgn have always been the elds, tyka, memeerf etc etc, the "fotm" chanter grps consisted of 3/4 enchanters - land mezz - run in and insta kill with pbaoe, however the typical vgn setup consisted on 1 enchanter debuffing cold for the light elds and killing from range... But i guess maybe you weren't around back then to know such things and instead just jump on the bandwagon and talk about that which you know very little?

I know VGN ran with mostly elds back in the old days. I know Tyka was light specced and I also remember him "whining" about elds not being the real damage dealers in Hib as they were supposed to be. I have an eld myself so I know what they were like.
Never the less, vgn has also ran with fotm set up, so my point still stands. And everyone knows you're retarded if you say no to a mana eld if you already have a mana chanter or two.

I'm a bandwagoner? lol yeah, you're funny. Just because most people don't know me on irc or forums or even in game, doesn't mean I haven't been around. You see, I'm not in need of attention and I have no need to scream the highest just so people notice me. I've played daoc since beta and I've always played in hib and mid, but please, do call me a bandwagoner. Talk about things you know little of, you just gave us a class example, so maybe you should listen to yourself a bit as well?


I'm fine with all the flaming and whining, but my soft spot is the lies some people tell. But it's almost pointless to try to discuss things on a forum. I'm sure everyone remebers one of Arnor's good ol' "internet discussion pics"

 

[Garbannoch Nox]

Originally posted by Rollie
tbh your group is by far the hardest hib group we have encountered and i hope you run 1fg more since your all mainly rr8/9/10/11 its incredibly hard to beat you and beating you would indeed be rewarding, btw lets be honest garb, its quite often we see you in the thick of a zerg

say what you want - i make 60k rps in 4 hours each evening - if you think i get that from zergs you are right: from mid and alb zergs

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by Tyka
Carlos my dear friend, did u read my first post in this thread ?

See of it this way, when you played ur dwarf caster you were alot better player than me because of obvious reasons, but 1-2 patches later after that i suddenly become the better player?

If you remember my hero you know what im talking about.

This is what some ppl are claiming on these forums and that is the reason why xan wrote what he did on irc (wich btw if u did'nt like you should just have replied to him there). Ppl roll different classes to be able to beat us and now suddenly they're better players?

Come on you know better than that.

i know exactly that, but if you look at everything in perspective, its really not that imbalancing..especially when savages are nerfed

The hardest hib group atm is Garba+Domains hib grp, a caster grp. And not the melee groups...strangly enough.



I know your completly right, tanks are a hell of a lot more played than casters, and its harder to play a caster in darkage of tankalot...

but my point is, what will be the excuse for losing to mids in 1.65?
ASD will be gone, and savages+zerkers wont be grossly overpowered..nor will chanters.

So while the DH pbae grp will continue to steamrole the fotm groups, what about those hibgroups, that claim they _only_ lost due to savages

...if that was the case, shouldn't they have a 100% winrate in 1.65?

Meaning, anyone who loses to a mid grp other than NP 1.65, is shit at daoc, and a skillless newb etc.

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by Garbannoch Nox
you forget that our group is pretty high RR and getting hit by a rr2 savage for 700+ damage takes the piss - i think this is what it comes down to in the end

They're hitting you a lot harder than they're hitting those other groups who claim they only lose because of savages.

In actual fact, you guys are doing gr8, but a LoT of hib/alb groups, use savages as an excuse to hide thier mistakes...

Fatalys and "I dont like to use /stick" is a prime example. They lost to JH in that video simply because JH had savages...and not cossa the fact they didnt use /stick or /assist.

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by Garbannoch Nox
say what you want - i make 60k rps in 4 hours each evening - if you think i get that from zergs you are right: from mid and alb zergs

not saying you zerg all the time as i know you dont, but you mentioned coming back with adds, and i pointed out you do/did take part in zergs also

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by Rollie
not saying you zerg all the time as i know you dont, but you mentioned coming back with adds, and i pointed out you do/did take part in zergs also

Its hardly the same tho, ppl mistake zergs..

meeting at amg, and running from bolg>emain is a lot of it...which is simply the only route in rvr..so its always gonna be crowded
just like atk-amg, mtk-mmg etc

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by Carlos Bananos
Its hardly the same tho, ppl mistake zergs..

meeting at amg, and running from bolg>emain is a lot of it...which is simply the only route in rvr..so its always gonna be crowded
just like atk-amg, mtk-mmg etc

aye im referring to 2 particular zergs from a while back, like i said i know he dont zerg all the time, just pointing out he does/did "at times"