fao shorti

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Crashtje

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armsman need a big nerf imo , hitting the bard for 750 and hitting me 3 times for 500 , im 50bow and had base buffs and i shot you for 250 :S
 
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Puppetmistress

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On what speed did that armsman swing? Had he a crush-weapon ?

Oh yeah, meet a 2h hammer-savage and look again :p
 
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old.Sohawen

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Fear Shorti with fully buffed and no quick/dex :clap:
 
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Puppetmistress

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Originally posted by old.Sohawen
Fear Shorti with fully buffed and no quick/dex :clap:
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Ah so he swinged slow and hard ;)

Got no problem with that ;)

I mean, its an armsman, he's a plate tank, he should hit hard !
 
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old.Dimitris

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afaik blunt > Reinforced....

soo

not many you could actually do if solo unless if u had time to line up a crit and some more shots with blunt (blunt > plate) arrows.

but the agai shorti is uber .. so

:p



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old.Jeriraa

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I think I got struck by something alike once too... could have been an armsman... could aswell have been a meteor. There's not much difference I think.
Dont think they need a nerf thou! Armsmen are main tanks. They are meant either to be very offensive or defensive.

/em wonders why there aint offensive spec'd warriors.
 
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old.Atrox

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Originally posted by old.Jeriraa
I think I got struck by something alike once too... could have been an armsman... could aswell have been a meteor. There's not much difference I think.
Dont think they need a nerf thou! Armsmen are main tanks. They are meant either to be very offensive or defensive.

/em wonders why there aint offensive spec'd warriors.
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There is... 50 weapon/shield rest Parry
Just switch to 2h when ever you like to do more dmg.

Arms have to spec 50pole 39dmg type 42shield rest parry.
and they miss out alot ws on 1h, and cant use the shield as good.
 
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old.Jeriraa

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Originally posted by old.Atrox
There is... 50 weapon/shield rest Parry
Just switch to 2h when ever you like to do more dmg.

Arms have to spec 50pole 39dmg type 42shield rest parry.
and they miss out alot ws on 1h, and cant use the shield as good.
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Silly answer... think a bit more about it.

2h just gives lower swing speed for the same styles. There is no 2h style set for any Midgard weapon - weird enough since Midgard is meant to be the "melee realm".
Theres one definite disadvantage for a warrior using a 2h compared to the 2h spec'd tanks of the other realms: He can't stun! (Well actually there is a 1sec stun chaining from a parry in Axe but beside it being pretty useless try getting of a parry chain with a 2h weapon.) Both, albion 2h and hibernian lw have stuns chaining from an anytimer!
 
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old.mattshanes

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Of all the warriors i seen in emain i don't think i seen any slam and use 2h, think only vanaya does and luri the dwarf warrior.It can hurt too :/ luri was doing 400 a hit fairly fast that's good damage.
 
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Sagba

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Originally posted by old.Jeriraa
Theres one definite disadvantage for a warrior using a 2h compared to the 2h spec'd tanks of the other realms: He can't stun!
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Just use slam to stun? :p
 
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old.Jeriraa

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Originally posted by Sagba
Just use slam to stun? :p
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Yah sure... thats an option, the only one infact but a silly one. If I want to be an offensive Warrior, why do I have to spend more than 900 skill points into shield to utilize an ability that the other offensive tanks get from their weapon line? I surely could use these points to up my parry skill.
This would actually somewhat balance the Warrior vs the other tanks since he ranks lower than Heros and Armsmen in damage dealing matters. Higher parry skill would somewhat increase his lifespan in RvR and hence his ability do deal damage.

But he, this was about nerfing Armsmen. :) And seriously: Mythic has to display crit hits in the victims combat spam! Every now and then someone gets hit for critical damage and he's like "WTF that guy did xxx damage to me! Why cant I deal that much???" and he starts to cry out loud for a nerf.
 
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old.Jeriraa

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Originally posted by old.mattshanes
Why does jawz on excal hit hard then?oO
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Damage augmenting RA's? Buffbot? Special weapon? (There are some slower than crafted I think but I'm not sure.) 2h optimized charand gear? (E.g. no quickness boni.)
 
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Sagba

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Originally posted by old.Jeriraa
If I want to be an offensive Warrior, why do I have to spend more than 900 skill points into shield to utilize an ability that the other offensive tanks get from their weapon line?
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If I want to be Hybrid Armsman why do I have to spend 1274 pts in Polearm spec? :p Also Pole stun style is very hard to use as it is now (imo, will be better in 1.65d :p) Only using slam to stun atm with my Hybrid Armsman, works great ;)
 
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shortarse

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Originally posted by old.Jeriraa
Yah sure... thats an option, the only one infact but a silly one. If I want to be an offensive Warrior, why do I have to spend more than 900 skill points into shield to utilize an ability that the other offensive tanks get from their weapon line? I surely could use these points to up my parry skill.
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ermm y do u think i specd shield to 42 ?? ;o cause pole stun style atm is currently after a style that u need to get styled before u can chain it ... in rvr .. how many times is the armsman the main target and gets styled at ? or better even .. how many healers/shamies u know that can style ??? ;o
 
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old.Jeriraa

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Originally posted by shortarse
ermm y do u think i specd shield to 42 ?? ;o cause pole stun style atm is currently after a style that u need to get styled before u can chain it ... in rvr .. how many times is the armsman the main target and gets styled at ? or better even .. how many healers/shamies u know that can style ??? ;o
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Thats not the point. The point is Warriors have no alternative to shield. You have.
 
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ilienwyn

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Originally posted by old.Jeriraa
Thats not the point. The point is Warriors have no alternative to shield. You have.
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Why mate? You wanna specc 50weapon 50parry and keep the rest points to play around or something? If you use the 50/42/39 you are perfectly ok.
Try do that with an arms were you have to double specc for 2h/pole and you have more avariance for the same reason. As for style, you eat up quite more end cause if you see most of the styles in 2h/pole take loads of end and you miss your utility. If you want to compare with the 50/42/39 specc of a warrior and use the same you leave parry completely untrained thus losing defence and some of the styles.
Don't tell me the double specc is better cause it's crazy imho. Wanna exchange it? I bet any tank in albion would anytime...

Check this as well: http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=80881&highlight=arms
 
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atos

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Yuo can't be crush shorti you woulden't hit me for 700 then. Must be thrust :/
 
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Cush

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Originally posted by shortarse
ermm y do u think i specd shield to 42 ?? ;o cause pole stun style atm is currently after a style that u need to get styled before u can chain it ... in rvr .. how many times is the armsman the main target and gets styled at ? or better even .. how many healers/shamies u know that can style ??? ;o
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I got very much style, thank you very much mr!
 
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Puppetmistress

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Originally posted by old.Jeriraa
Thats not the point. The point is Warriors have no alternative to shield. You have.
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How you can twist an advantage into a disadvantage.

The only 2 viable specs for a warrior are 50 weapon 50 shield 28 parry or 50 weapon 42 shield 39 parry.

Whatever rocks your boat. You can do MASSIVE damage with 2hander if you take low quickness and slow weapon into account.

And you can play defensive roll.
 
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old.Atrox

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Warrior with 50weapon 50shield 28Parry:
Good melee dmg, both 1h and 2h, can play both defensive and offensive.
Same WS with 1h and 2h got either 9sec anytime Stun or 10sec low end cost Stun of Block.

Armsman with 50Pole 50weapon 28parry:
Good Frontload damage.
Can go 1h but lack Shield spec so no 9sec anytime stun or 10sec stun of Block.
Got a 9sec Style Stun of "Target Styles" so cant stun Support/casters.

Armsman with 50Pole 39Weapon 42Shield 6Parry:
Good Frontload damage.
Got 9sec anytime Stun and 9sec Style Stun of "Target Styles". Can go 1h/Shield with a loss of WS due to 39basespec 1hweapon.

So Warriors gimpness is that they got Higher WS both 1h and 2h with high shield spec but dont get a 9sec style stun of "Target Style" that cant be used vs Support/Casters.

btw what spec would you go if there was a 9sec style stun of "target styles" for Warriors in say sword ?
50sword 50parry 28Throw Weapons ?


Have to agree with Nicolas, Parry is so much better for RvR!!!!11
Parry > Shield no need for engage and Guard.
Also Hybrid Armsmans tend to run with S/S more then Pole.
 
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Crashtje

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btw this aint no flame aimed at shorti, he kicked our arses fair and square :p i didnt know wether to run or sit down and get raped etc :)
 
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old.mattshanes

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Wait til bullveye hits you:)

Hit me 798 in a duel:eek:
 
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