FAO: Photon

[Melachi-]

You get it do you? Here it is in easier words.

Midgard is not overpowered as a realm, it has a few overpowered classes, that when put together can make overpowered groups, but they arent overpowered versus a keep door, or against Monsters, or against Relic raids, or against a huge enemy zerg, they are only overpowered against another full group. And that is like 1%? of this game

 

[stunned]

Thing is alot of ppl prefer 1 FG runs since your effort makes a difference. In zergs if your afk the outcome wont change.

Currently a fotm savage group if played well can beat any other group. If hibs/albs have all ra's up they are still most likely to lose. With ra's down its almost useless to fight. Mids have less usefull ra's and are not dependet on them. Try face 3 healers+shammy aoeing and rely on pbaoe box. Try play a meele group with interruptable end regen ( hib ), no disease ( alb+hib) and mediocre dmg out put ( alb+hib ).

If you dont belive me try play another realm in rvr and then come back and argue.

 

[Qte Eth]

i think aoe stun is crap for this game, its like a 10 second GOD MODE for sms

u must be a genius

 

[Melachi-]

im not argueing that the 3 Savage 3 Healer, shammy skald groups arent overpowered, i know they are. But they are only overpowered against other full groups. Get it?


This does not make Midgard overpowered, it makes one full group of savages, healers, shammy and skald overpowered against a hib full group, or an alb full group.

 

[vortimer]

i completely agree with stunned...the problem is, as u said, that if u put together all that classes a fg can be overpowered. and what happens?that everyone does that. now the flavour of the month is 3 healers 4 savages 1 skald. and at least in my server there r loads of fights 1 fg vs 1 fg. just keep in mind that midgard has the uber classes record. 4 or maybe 5 with the runemaster debuffing their own damage. sms, healers, savages, bones and runemasters. if u dont think runes r uber, just compare it to the super void eldritch...poor nuke without debuff. aniways RMs are fine, except for the nukes, if mythic gives debuffs to that class, why not to the other casters?why mythic nerfed zerkers and released fotm savages?cause that way they will win more money, oh my zerker is nerfed, now i buy si i make a savage and no problem. the most important issue now is fix insane resists, raise caster survivality, nerf savages nerf bones nerf pacification line nerf pet intercepting, or just put all clases equal:i.e. cabalist pet intercepting, cold debuff to void elds, etc. mythic is really smoking something, they said: a class with good defense cant have good offense(an excuse to not raise casters damage)oh wait...tanks have both, and casters dont have nothing of that, except 2 or 3. aniways this is everything IMO. have fun peeps ^^

 

[vortimer]

i think aoe stun is crap for this game, its like a 10 second GOD MODE for sms

u must be a healer or a idiot i guess

 

[stunned]

I dont mind aoe stun that much since hibs have baod and albs have sos and bof to "counter it".

What is suq is that spells should not interrupt if they do not damage the target. Ie aoe debuffs, amnesia or spells currently immune to due to 1 min timer, should not interrupt the target.

Say no to 15 secs/30 mins or freedom.

 

[Melachi-]

Yes fair play, you can point out all the overpoweredness of Midgard, now can you point out all the "on parness" and underpoweredness? What you havent got enough space?

Basically, if you still havent copped it, Midgard is not overpowered, these Savage Groups are overpowered, when faced with an enemy full group on open ground, thats it! They dont defend keeps better, they dont do relic raids better, they dont do PvE better. So in conclusion, Midgard can field a force of 4 Classes out of a total 12, and put them in the open field RvR situation, and now they are overpowered, and therefore the whole realm is overpowered and the other realms are undpowered, yes thank you, you are a genius.

 

[stunned]

Mids can bring their Sms/gtaoe runies to keep defence. Surely there are enough of them to do their job.

Daily rvr wich is 99 % open field battle is fucked up atm. Thus the whinage.

 

[Melachi-]

What?!

Why would mids bring Runies and spiritmaster to keep defense when they can have these godly overpowered Savage groups in the godly overpowered realm?

Ohh wait, you arent saying that maybe these godly overpowered Savage groups are not overpowered in this situation?!

Are you?

Face it, midgard aint overpowered, last time ill say it, these savage groups are overpowered against other full groups on open field, thats fucking it. Thats where midgards overpoweredness ends.

 

[stunned]

Wont argue about it. Just an advice ... play another realm and then come back and see if your point of view has changed. I know mine did.

 

[Melachi-]

Ive only ever played another realm to lvl 30 thats it, so i cant comment on that part, so dont bother asking.

Now do me a favour, reply to what i asked, why wouldnt mids bring these uber fotm wtfpwning full groups of savages healers shammy and skald to defend a keep?

Or are you just that blantently ignorant that you will ignore what im saying yet again?

 

[stunned]

Since the answer is obvious to anyone I reckon I didnt bother. Sms have the highest dvelve value pbaoe in game and runies have high dmg gtaoe when RC speced plus a decent RA for the situation.

Just as meele in alb/hib sucks in keep situation so does mid meele groups.

 

[vortimer]

ive come here to discuss something, but it seems that its quite hard without being called genius in a sarcastic mode(which means retarded) you guys just cant share ur oppinions without agressive mode on.

 

[Melachi-]

Aye i shouldnt have gotten so aggressive, but i did it because both you and stunned have ignored the point im making continuesly, why is that?

This realm balance, class balance talk is pure rubish, everyone has a serious case of "grass is allways greener..." and some people seem to be deliberately lacking in perspective.

 

[vortimer]

well everyone has different oppinions, and we all are smart enough to share it without fights. but im not saying midgard is overpowered and the other realms underpowered. im saying that there are some things unfair, and aoe stun imo, is overpowered in a chain class. but please, if ppl does not agree with this, reply in a good mode with education...sorry for callin qteeth idiot but that "u are a genius" sounds like u r retarded, and i am not -_-.
well maybe i look retarded coz of my spelling but im not english u know

 

[Melachi-]

Yes, aoe stun is overpowered on a chain wearing class, but so is a 9 second based Melee stun on a class with evade 7!

Where are you going with this?

 

[vortimer]

well ive played in hibernia and the most i phear is a healer stun, cause almost always everyone gets pbaoed to oblivion without being able to move (purge is not always up) and yes i agree with u that dragonfang needs some adjustements too. and insta aoe stun :/. the point is: insta aoe stun+sm 331 delve pbaoe=lots of dead ppl for sure. i love thanes and they r crap in rvr, this needs love!

 

[vortimer]

hmmmm wasnt this a photon post?lol

 

[Melachi-]

Originally posted by vortimer
well ive played in hibernia and the most i phear is a healer stun, cause almost always everyone gets pbaoed to oblivion without being able to move (purge is not always up) and yes i agree with u that dragonfang needs some adjustements too. and insta aoe stun :/. the point is: insta aoe stun+sm 331 delve pbaoe=lots of dead ppl for sure. i love thanes and they r crap in rvr, this needs love!

yes aoe stun + pbaoe can cause alot of damage, but not when enemies are inside a keep and your outside, not against higher level enemies, not against relic guards (ae stun rarely sticks on them ;x) not against high Det tanks.

You see? your arguements allthough true, are situational, they are true for some cases, and untrue for others, this is whats wrong. Midgard can dominate the fg-v-fg fights, but this isnt the whole game! The game consists of alot more, and im tired of being branded overpowered, just because I can be in certain situations.

If i didnt bother with RvR which some people do, I could say that Albion is overpowered and easy mode, because they have pve gods such as Necros and palladins, but again this is where the class shines.

AE stun is overpowered for you, maybe not for the roleplayer in your guild who does not RvR competetivly, not for the PvE junkie who has never been out in the frontiers, not for the stealther who avoids fighting with enemey full groups all together, not for the crafter.

 

[exe]

Originally posted by Edlina
MM don't use tactics \o/

Sadly but its our enemies who dont even try to use any tactics rather than us tbh>.< And why would we use any exclusive tactic vs enemies who dont even bother to think about what they are doing?

 

[vortimer]

i know is situational, but the problem is that that same situation happens quite a lot on my server. 1 fg vs 1 fg is very common, and as a sorc in a rvr guild i think the other realms should have aoe stun too, if not insta at least casted. this spell makes a great difference, but maybe its just my experiences have been different from the others players experiences, and this is why most of the people disagree. for example, if u are a runemaster who knows how to play the class, u will come here and say runemasters own. but if another player that does not have idea of playing a runemasters and always gets killed will come here and talk crap about rvr. my experience is that i get stunned quite a lot in rvr, and for those that dont have determination is deadly, specially for casters and hybrids. if u play hib pryd u will be surprised how powerful can be a group with 2 or 3 healers and 2-3 sms. seeing things from the other side can help to change ur mind, aniways player skill>class, and uber class+skilled player=almost unkillable(savages, bones etc) yeah there r overpowered classes in other realms, but midgard has the advantage here in my oppinion. for example, i dont found fair climb walls for minstrels, ablative chant, debuffing ur own damage, uber resists for tanks, determination (this negates mezz to almost 10 seconds if u are dual spec) ip(imagine how many nukes takes to kill a tank with ip, moose, and 60% resists easily to take with avoidance of magic, resists buffs and sc) etc etc etc. and theres no point to fight when all is mythics fault...they r doing a good job, but still too many things to fix.

 

[vortimer]

well im sure MM uses tactics, but u can kill more and do better groups that in another realm...

 

[exe]

Originally posted by vortimer
well im sure MM uses tactics, but u can kill more and do better groups that in another realm...

Ever played mid pbaoe grp vs baod+gp? Try it, it will clear your mind for sure.

 

[vortimer]

then use savages and u will still win -_-

 

[exe]

Originally posted by vortimer
then use savages and u will still win -_-

Then we wouldnt be what we are if we would use savages And we still win vs baod, but ofc its coz of overpowered insta aoe stun...

 

[vortimer]

nah seeing ur spams (valle miracle)dont makes me think aoe stun is overpowered, just like 10 ppl in less than 5 seconds/sarcasm off.
baod is a very good ra, but sadly there arent too many hibs on ur server. aniways if u still play ur zerker after the nerf i /bow you.

 

[stunned]

Originally posted by Melachi[Mid]
Aye i shouldnt have gotten so aggressive, but i did it because both you and stunned have ignored the point im making continuesly, why is that?

This realm balance, class balance talk is pure rubish, everyone has a serious case of "grass is allways greener..." and some people seem to be deliberately lacking in perspective.

I play 2 level 50s on mid excal so I kinda know how things work, whereas You only played mid and is very biased in this matter.

 

[exe]

Originally posted by vortimer
nah seeing ur spams (valle miracle)dont makes me think aoe stun is overpowered, just like 10 ppl in less than 5 seconds/sarcasm off.

I see your point but its from support char's pov, now imagine the det4+ tank's pov Hope you got it now

 

[Melachi-]

no im not biased

Im saying mid maybe able to make uber fotm savage wtfpwning groups, that own every other fg they come accross but thats it, thats all they can do better than anyone else, they are useless in keep takes/defense, geddit? they are good at one part of the game, which imo does not make midgard overpowered, they themselves are overpowered which is what im saying and you are ignoring