FAO: Paladins

[gunner440]

hahahaha your team leader is a 2h


i feel sorry for you


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Los Ortiz
Paladin Team Leader

 

[regz]

Originally posted by gunner440
hahahaha your team leader is a 2h


i feel sorry for you


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Los Ortiz
Paladin Team Leader

i dont, at least the guy tries to get something done, hows your AM teamlead doing these days gunz?

regards,
your end bot,
reg

 

[gunner440]

he's a dickhead too but that's beside the point






giv back that sherf guy

 

[Arnor]

regtur: where is reuah? or is that your lastname mebbe?

 

[Stormm]

why u readin about palas gunz... jealous or smth

phear my taunt spell rah!

 

[gunner440]

Originally posted by Stormm
why u readin about palas gunz... jealous or smth

i was reading this and thought cool til i realised the guy who posted it was in fact the paladin team leader T.t

 

[parlain]

/slaps Gunz

 

[Stormm]

Originally posted by gunner440
i was reading this and thought cool til i realised the guy who posted it was in fact the paladin team leader T.t

the lies are stlong with this one ...

in fact sure i saw u trying desparatly teh twist styles in emain other day

 

[old.shotgunstow]

So the Paladin TL is a greedy cunt?

 

[-ag-bometal]

You got something against 2H paladins ?
<Glares at gunner>

 

[gunner440]

Originally posted by -ag-bometal
You got something against 2H paladins ?
<Glares at gunner>

yes they suck

 

[[PS]Venom]

Originally posted by gunner440
yes they suck

:sleeping: :sleeping:

Not as much as a 2h armsman does.

 

[Ekydus]

You're surrounded Gunnerr, put your hands in the air and step away from the door.

 

[ilienwyn]

The armsman TL is doing something i think.
He even made a webpage and some things are discussed there...

 

[Stormm]

Originally posted by Ekydus
You're surrounded Gunnerr, put your hands in the air and step away from the door.

quick lads jump him!.......


no i said 'jump' not h... arghh too late

 

[-ag-bometal]

Originally posted by gunner440
yes they suck

Why ?

You prefer a paladin babysitting the casters while you can storm to the enemy whacking em while he provides you end ?

2H paladins are verry good in RVR although they have a different role then a s/s paladin....

That is a fact that few ppl seems to know...

I am 2H, and i am proud off it !

There are enough ppl to verify that i am verry effective in a rvr group (not in a zerg but in a real FG vs FG fights)

Bometal out

 

[parlain]

Originally posted by gunner440
yes they suck

Indeed but giv them the reasons n00b

Originally posted by -ag-bometal
Why ?

You prefer a paladin babysitting the casters while you can storm to the enemy whacking em while he provides you end ?

2H paladins are verry good in RVR although they have a different role then a s/s paladin....

That is a fact that few ppl seems to know...

I am 2H, and i am proud off it !

There are enough ppl to verify that i am verry effective in a rvr group (not in a zerg but in a real FG vs FG fights)

Bometal out

Can you outdamage a 2 hand spec arms?
Did you spec for highest end regen?
Do you have more than 2/3rd's of Gunz's Weapon Skill (Modify for RR) which affects both damage and chance to hit?
Do you have 50 Weapon for minimum varience?
Do you have less HP?
Have you got access to Determination, Cheap Purge and Prevent Flight?

Yes 2H paladins can deal damage but as an offensive tank they can't stand up against an Arms-in effect they are a weak version of an arms with chants. This is not to say Paladin damage is gimped; it's about right, it's just an fully offensive spec'd arms can do the job better.

I have no problem with varied specs as variety is the spice of life but don't bother getting your hackles up when ppl point out the pitfalls of your chosen spec.

P.S. Don't point to twisting chants either to forstall that line of attack, I can count the number of Paladins I've seen twisting chants in RvR reliably on the finger of one hand...

 

[[PS]Venom]

I'm not going to even bother getting involved in this argument about 2h paladins, because I am fed up of narrow minded people making narrow minded decisions constantly.

I have been a great believer in the 2h paladin, always have, always will be. I have never believed in doing the normal coocie cutter spec.

Stop flogging a dead fucking horse. 2 handed paladins like the class - so it can't be that bad.

 

[gunner440]

Originally posted by -ag-bometal
Why ?

You prefer a paladin babysitting the casters while you can storm to the enemy whacking em while he provides you end ?

2H paladins are verry good in RVR although they have a different role then a s/s paladin....

That is a fact that few ppl seems to know...

I am 2H, and i am proud off it !

There are enough ppl to verify that i am verry effective in a rvr group (not in a zerg but in a real FG vs FG fights)

Bometal out

1. haha teamwork is needed, not just u guard i attack
2. yes a fact in a book of fiction -.-
3. i'm sorry for you
4. k lol
5. read 4

 

[gunner440]

Originally posted by parlain
Indeed but giv them the reasons n00b



Can you outdamage a 2 hand spec arms?
Did you spec for highest end regen?
Do you have more than 2/3rd's of Gunz's Weapon Skill (Modify for RR) which affects both damage and chance to hit?
Do you have 50 Weapon for minimum varience?
Do you have less HP?
Have you got access to Determination, Cheap Purge and Prevent Flight?

Yes 2H paladins can deal damage but as an offensive tank they can't stand up against an Arms-in effect they are a weak version of an arms with chants. This is not to say Paladin damage is gimped; it's about right, it's just an fully offensive spec'd arms can do the job better.

I have no problem with varied specs as variety is the spice of life but don't bother getting your hackles up when ppl point out the pitfalls of your chosen spec.

P.S. Don't point to twisting chants either to forstall that line of attack, I can count the number of Paladins I've seen twisting chants in RvR reliably on the finger of one hand...

the messiah is here \o/

and i hate twisting of chants in rvr, prefer that to take place in pve only

 

[-ag-bometal]

Originally posted by parlain
Indeed but giv them the reasons n00b



Can you outdamage a 2 hand spec arms?
Did you spec for highest end regen?
Do you have more than 2/3rd's of Gunz's Weapon Skill (Modify for RR) which affects both damage and chance to hit?
Do you have 50 Weapon for minimum varience?
Do you have less HP?
Have you got access to Determination, Cheap Purge and Prevent Flight?

Yes 2H paladins can deal damage but as an offensive tank they can't stand up against an Arms-in effect they are a weak version of an arms with chants. This is not to say Paladin damage is gimped; it's about right, it's just an fully offensive spec'd arms can do the job better.

I have no problem with varied specs as variety is the spice of life but don't bother getting your hackles up when ppl point out the pitfalls of your chosen spec.

P.S. Don't point to twisting chants either to forstall that line of attack, I can count the number of Paladins I've seen twisting chants in RvR reliably on the finger of one hand...

About the damage, duh, we are hybrids, not tanks we are on a different damage table.

Chants are vital in RVR, twisting happens seldom but dont tell me you dont like the end nor the rezzes a paladin provides, and dont mention FH that saves your ass.

Paladins are the basic melee class (end chant for the win) in every group setup, armsmen's aren't

2H paladin isn't a main damage dealer in RVR. We have more a supportive role, we are support class remember ?

And if we talk about team play, can an armsmen outdamage a wizard ? Casters are the tank killers in RVR not tanks themself

And if people want to make post, please give valid arguments and dont start flaming, hmmmkay

BTW s/s paladin & 2H paladin combo owns in RVR and PVE

 

[gunner440]

Originally posted by -ag-bometal
And if we talk about team play, can an armsmen outdamage a wizard ? Casters are the tank killers in RVR not tanks themself

plzzzzzzzzzz

 

[Ekydus]

I find it rather ironic that a 2H Paladin needs to rely on a Paladin with high Chants to get full effect.

Sure twisting is seldom used in RvR. But the amount of times you join a group and are told to either go pure line Chant in endurance or to share the Chants with another Paladin in the group is unbelievable. If in a group that I can do what I feel is best I will twist and i'll do it damn well too. That's the reason you don't see much twisting. Most groups only care about endurance and not the bonuses of twisting... However you can usually compramise with a 2x Heal twist followed by a 2x Heal twist + Endurance Chant. This will keep both the endurance and power bars reasonably high and will work very well if you are on slam duty because you are not losing chunks of endurance every few seconds. (Exception of when slam lands and you may possibly have quite a few to chase around. )

 

[parlain]

Originally posted by -ag-bometal
About the damage, duh, we are hybrids, not tanks we are on a different damage table.

Chants are vital in RVR, twisting happens seldom but dont tell me you dont like the end nor the rezzes a paladin provides, and dont mention FH that saves your ass.

Paladins are the basic melee class (end chant for the win) in every group setup, armsmen's aren't

2H paladin isn't a main damage dealer in RVR. We have more a supportive role, we are support class remember ?

And if we talk about team play, can an armsmen outdamage a wizard ? Casters are the tank killers in RVR not tanks themself

And if people want to make post, please give valid arguments and dont start flaming, hmmmkay

BTW s/s paladin & 2H paladin combo owns in RVR and PVE

1. Not meant for main offence
2. Yes I chant in RvR; usually multi resit, multi resist, end, heal
3. Not going to comment
4. Exactly so why do you persist in trying to act like one
5. Actually yes these days...
6. mmkay

 

[Belomar]

Originally posted by -ag-bometal
Chants are vital in RVR, twisting happens seldom but dont tell me you dont like the end nor the rezzes a paladin provides, and dont mention FH that saves your ass.

The issue was not about the chants, the FH, end regen, or rezzes, no one is denying that a palading is a must in an RvR group. The issue was 2H paladins versus 2H armsmen.

2H paladin isn't a main damage dealer in RVR. We have more a supportive role, we are support class remember?

I am sorry, have you followed the state of the game recently? Are you aware of the uber advantage melee chars have over casters?

 

[Cawr]

Originally posted by parlain
Indeed but giv them the reasons n00b
Can you outdamage a 2 hand spec arms?
Did you spec for highest end regen?
Do you have more than 2/3rd's of Gunz's Weapon Skill (Modify for RR) which affects both damage and chance to hit?
Do you have 50 Weapon for minimum varience?
Do you have less HP?
Have you got access to Determination, Cheap Purge and Prevent Flight?

No
Obviously
Probably
No - I do I have both 2h and Slash at similar levels, meaning a fairley low varience.
Yes - but niether will any other pally.
No - see above.

You've made a list of points comparing Armsmen to Paladins regardless of spec, these are not reasons why Two handed paladins in particular are inferior to their Armsmen counterparts.

 

[parlain]

Originally posted by Cawr
No
Obviously
Probably
No - I do I have both 2h and Slash at similar levels, meaning a fairley low varience.
Yes - but niether will any other pally.
No - see above.

You've made a list of points comparing Armsmen to Paladins regardless of spec, these are not reasons why Two handed paladins in particular are inferior to their Armsmen counterparts.

Oh and the answer to well neither will any other pally-I'm not comparing S/S Paladin to 2 Handed Paladin; I'm comparing 2 hand Paladin to 2 hand Armsman since that is what you are trying to compete against.

The debate here is what role does a 2 handed paladin play in group.

If as an Offensive tank as has been claimed before then the 2 handed armsman win on all respects of performing that role

If as a Defensive tank then 1 s/s paladin will peform better

The 2 handed paladin cannot fufil the roles avaliable to him in the limited flexability awarded to an Alb group

P.S. I've not mentioned spec because there is not a way that you can spec a Paladin to repalce the Armsman as an Offensive tank-Paladins don't get the RA's and lack of Determination is killer

 

[Ekydus]

Paladins are meant for group play there is no denying that.

Paladins are also designed to be defensive. Look at what the spec into. There is no point speccing against what you are designed to do IMO... I'm not saying 2H Paladins are gimped because I used to be one myself... I am merely saying look at how you should be playing.

But in the end it's up to the player themselves. Nobody can change that.

 

[Jergiot]

Originally posted by -ag-bometal
And if we talk about team play, can an armsmen outdamage a wizard ? Casters are the tank killers in RVR not tanks themself

are we playing the same game here?

 

[gunner440]

scenario:

armsman and pala (2h) are in group

bard lands mezz

armsman: mezzed
paladin: mezzed
xxx was killed by armsman
paladin: mezzed
yyy was killed by armsman
paladin: mezzed
armsman: k move to rest
paladin: demezz pls

-.-

No - I do I have both 2h and Slash at similar levels, meaning a fairley low varience.

who cares? u still end up with like 800weaponskill which is...... SHIT. ur gonne be blocked the entire time due to the weapskill difference and not parry either due to it, only chance is shield.

Paladins are the basic melee class (end chant for the win) in every group setup, armsmen's aren't

of c, go try see how it is vs an experience hib/mid group with nothing but a bunch of paladins for offence. 2h? yeah right

2H paladin isn't a main damage dealer in RVR. We have more a supportive role, we are support class remember ?

yes i agree. 2h paladins are a support class.............

..............
............... mebe moral support while they wait at atk ¬¬

plus there is no way to be able to get 50 2h, and high enough slash+chants without sacrificing one for the other. its not possible

and even if someone says they did they prolly have both shitty chants and 29slash or so.