fao ironheart and zorbas

[Red HATred]

Well said, Thorwyn. Ironheart is like a Scud missile targeted on a tiny atoll in the Pacific: obsolete but still destructive and sorely misguided. With all due respect, what is your definition of "high RR toons"? I don't normally flame people for their RR, because we all have different objectives in life and in game, but you're asking for it...

if i base myselfe upon the general oppinion about that in game, all considder rr5+ as high... that is the base i compared it to, belomar.
don't worry, i don't feel flamed by your asking.

as for the scud....that atoll could have been a threat... and shooting a pile of rocks is less effective then an atoll... btw, don't thinkn i approve real life warfare in any way. I prefered all were faught like we do in here

 

[Red HATred]

Ironheart is on fire!! Ive never seen such pwnage since i scored 34 tries in one season.

34 tries, wow, gratz on that one

/em whispers wot are tries mate?

btw, don't mind me asking, do you switch guards or BG if you have it, when you are roaming with your mates in rvr? Just curious

 

[Thorwyn]

war: base principle of war is to win (minimize losses): winning using tactics

So, medieval knights asking for honorable combat were just RP horny, x-realming twats, trynig to enlarge their e-peens?

you compared it to chess.. i don't talk about my moves while playing, i talk about my moves over a pint or a coffee when all is over.

I can come up with dozends of examples of fairplay in the history of chess. Don´t challenge me on that, or I`m gonna bore this entire forum to death with stories (and don´t forget: it´s not a game for those people I´ßm talking about.. it´s their job).

There is no cross realm diplomacy, it is forbidden by Rule nor do we have the means to do so in there. i don't run around....looking for victory... slay the enemy , then feel sorry for them... nope

You´re right.. there is no cross realming diplomacy. But there are still people behind the screens, trying to play a game together and having a good time. As I said, I`m not considering the other people my "enemies", just like I don´t consider my chess opponents my enemy. I`m fighting against them and enjoy the fight/struggle/tension and that was it.

 

[Kerith]

wb

the thread starter was a stealther that whined at us both, didn't even ask for it.. just got it. just outside our tower, remember. I know the lectures are pretty long and must be hard to read, but if you would have bothered you would have known what all is about, get ur head out of the clouds now, sober up, ok

hmm sorry how is anyone meant to make sense of wtf you are saying when u spam random shit which is totaly out of context and off topic.. if u want to discuss somethin do it properly.. keep it short and simple plz

P.S i agree with you being jealous tbh, such 'hatred' for ppl who are just enjoying the game for how we see it, who are you to tell us how it should or should not be played, by your reasoning (i.e because BG effects one at a time they r for duo's only or someshit), then daoc is meant for fg vs fg rvr or why would u have grp spells ? resist buffs, spread heal. etc.... get a clue please

 

[Marc]

34 tries, wow, gratz on that one

/em whispers wot are tries mate?

btw, don't mind me asking, do you switch guards or BG if you have it, when you are roaming with your mates in rvr? Just curious

Yes mate. Always switch to the group mate with the assist train on him. Although there are circumstances you may not want to, ie, 2 casters with tanks on them, one an rr5 sorc.

 

[Red HATred]

So, medieval knights asking for honorable combat were just RP horny, x-realming twats, trynig to enlarge their e-peens?



I can come up with dozends of examples of fairplay in the history of chess. Don´t challenge me on that, or I`m gonna bore this entire forum to death with stories (and don´t forget: it´s not a game for those people I´ßm talking about.. it´s their job).



You´re right.. there is no cross realming diplomacy. But there are still people behind the screens, trying to play a game together and having a good time. As I said, I`m not considering the other people my "enemies", just like I don´t consider my chess opponents my enemy. I`m fighting against them and enjoy the fight/struggle/tension and that was it.

a: name me the first hounorable assassin, as for knights, the only hounorable fights that occured were the tournaments for a ladies hand i think Most fights where they ended up dismembered or crippled weren't concluded with a friendly handshake


fairplay in chess, as in looking the other way when a player accidentally took his hand of a moved piece and still permitted him to alter that move, yeah, ok, that is k ;-)

imo to be able to win from someone, you have to treat him as an enemy, otherwise you would start to feel sympathy, which would make you weak... see boxing, where the boxers tell each other the slept with their wives etc... you know the drill

 

[Sollers]

btw, don't mind me asking, do you switch guards or BG if you have it, when you are roaming with your mates in rvr? Just curious

switching BG is really a myth tbh

 

[Marc]

a: name me the first hounorable assassin, as for knights, the only hounorable fights that occured were the tournaments for a ladies hand i think Most fights where they ended up dismembered or crippled weren't concluded with a friendly handshake


fairplay in chess, as in looking the other way when a player accidentally took his hand of a moved piece and still permitted him to alter that move, yeah, ok, that is k ;-)

imo to be able to win from someone, you have to treat him as an enemy, otherwise you would start to feel sympathy, which would make you weak... see boxing, where the boxers tell each other the slept with their wives etc... you know the drill

Truly great competitors would rise above this and not let it get to them. Its what sets them apart from average joe bloggs. If i had £1 for every time I heard these sort of comments whilst playing sport id be a very rich man

 

[Gear]

RVR is not a dating scene

Fucken hell, and I had plans for tonight

 

[wittor]

Fucken hell, and I had plans for tonight

rofl

 

[Fyric]

Ironheart..

This is a game if you haven't noticed, people play it to have fun, when they stop having fun, they stop playing the game. Notice the fun and game is connected?

This is just something people do to have FUN!, noone here but you consider the enemy realms their enemies as such i hope, they are just players like the ones on 'our' sides, trying to have fun, if you really feel that the ones playing the opposite realms are your enemies, then you really need to seek help somewhere because i don't believe games are meant to be taken that seriously unless you try to make a living by doing it.

 

[Red HATred]

Truly great competitors would rise above this and not let it get to them. Its what sets them apart from average joe bloggs. If i had £1 for every time I heard these sort of comments whilst playing sport id be a very rich man

doesn't that happen, if you stand in the line of scrimage (sp) , if you have that, that you look the opponent in the eye, start making monstrous faces, yelling, "goone tear your shorts up your cave!!!" , after that just have a pint with em hehehe

 

[Marc]

doesn't that happen, if you stand in the line of scrimage (sp) , if you have that, that you look the opponent in the eye, start making monstrous faces, yelling, "goone tear your shorts up your cave!!!" , after that just have a pint with em hehehe

hehe. Yes it does happen. On the whole what goes on during the game will all be forgotten about afterwards, unless of course, someone has taken a right shoeing, and cant let it lie.

 

[pergamon]

At the end of the day it was Censi,s call to attack or not , at rr 8 , no sympathy there ( just a bad call ), no real reason for a post , so no Jaem he deserves slating for this posting , as for Kerith , wtf u are a fg zerger ( ie with the leets no less most of the time) , try to fight a balanced fg ie same rr same ml and you prolly die a whole lot more in fact at least 50% of the time i would guess , no prizes when the leets are ml 10s all rr 9+ zerging a group of noobs , nope no real skill there , as for Elbeek well i dont say much on FH , will prolly regret this but ffs get over your prejudices about Ironheart , he aint actually wrong , so fail to see yours as a just slateing , and as for Belomar ffs plz retire from FH aswell as the game you obnoxious boring retartded self important twat . ( please ) .

 

[Kerith]

At the end of the day it was Censi,s call to attack or not , at rr 8 , no sympathy there ( just a bad call ), no real reason for a post , so no Jaem he deserves slating for this posting , as for Kerith , wtf u are a fg zerger ( ie with the leets no less most of the time) , try to fight a balanced fg ie same rr same ml and you prolly die a whole lot more in fact at least 50% of the time i would guess , no prizes when the leets are ml 10s all rr 9+ zerging a group of noobs , nope no real skill there , as for Elbeek well i dont say much on FH , will prolly regret this but ffs get over your prejudices about Ironheart , he aint actually wrong , so fail to see yours as a just slateing , and as for Belomar ffs plz retire from FH aswell as the game you obnoxious boring retartded self important twat . ( please ) .

lmfao irl... get a clue please ? isn't it quite contradictory to say im a fg zerger ?, most of the ppl i fight are equal/higher RR than me (so they must hax according to ironfart) groove, NP, RR, DH etc. only recently lower rr ppl have started roaming as fgs, and because i fight them it makes me an elitist zerger ? seriously gimme whatever the fuck you're smokin cos i want some

 

[Marc]

lmfao irl... get a clue please ? isn't it quite contradictory to say im a fg zerger ?, most of the ppl i fight are equal/higher RR than me (so they must hax according to ironfart) groove, NP, RR, DH etc. only recently lower rr ppl have started roaming as fgs, and because i fight them it makes me an elitist zerger ? seriously gimme whatever the fuck you're smokin cos i want some

I think he was probably refering to FC's add on sight policy, from your FC days.

 

[Red HATred]

Ironheart..

This is a game if you haven't noticed, people play it to have fun, when they stop having fun, they stop playing the game. Notice the fun and game is connected?

This is just something people do to have FUN!, noone here but you consider the enemy realms their enemies as such i hope, they are just players like the ones on 'our' sides, trying to have fun, if you really feel that the ones playing the opposite realms are your enemies, then you really need to seek help somewhere because i don't believe games are meant to be taken that seriously unless you try to make a living by doing it.

fyric, this is and will always be a game, a wargame, and yes ppl play when as long as they have fun, you are correct.
I also realize ppl on "the other side" want to have fun as well, i don't mind, but "in there" the fun is reduced to:
a)have fun with your realm mates in PVE forming groups beating NPC mobs, which fyi you can't talk to as well and they won't act as you wish also.
or
b)you go to RVR with your realm friends and you beat other mobs that are intentionally played by other ppl.
this doesn't stand in the way to... when you have RL meetings for exemple to have a good laugh with each other about how things went, how they got "pwned" (sp) etc...

but the thing is that the thinn line between keeping that basic stuff alife, becomes threatened because some think then can re-write the rules and make it their own.

That is the only point i'm grabbing at really. And since it is verry hard for some ppl to see and understand that "line"... something must be done .. or something must be defined in a way.

as for the out of game communications , IRC etc...(last few pages of this thread after that rr9 crybaby started it) that has to be sorted and used with common sence. I mean to say that you have to know what can and can not be said or arranged. i hope you get what i mean to say here.

as for the rest, i totally agree with you, this is to have fun, to experience something unique, a whole lot off ppl doing the same things.


ps: i know it takes a certain age to figure out what it means to take responcible actions, to know what one can and can not do when it comes to a topic like , sports, games, stuff like that (not pointing a finger to you here mate)

 

[Thorwyn]

but the thing is that the thinn line between keeping that basic stuff alife, becomes threatened because some think then can re-write the rules and make it their own.

I hear the had some pretty good large scale RvR in medieval times, despite all the honourable and chivalrous crap.

It´s not about writing rules. Rules are black/white again... either something is covered in rules or not. You can´t put ethics or respect into a rule system.. otherwise it wouldn´t be ethics anymore.


P.S. ... will this Friday in the office ever come to an end?

 

[pergamon]

The reason why lower rr ppl have started roaming in fg is there seems to be less leets running as fgs atm , so they actually get a chance , you have expierence and all the abilitys in the world to go with it , as well as all your group m8s , im not actually blaming you in particular or anyone else come to that , but an eleet fg just farm imo all ppl should have 50 rps max ie after rr5 you play for fun only it would help to balance the field of play a whole lot more . this game will die in the end if just left to the people who play now , new people wont get a group and most guilds have pretty strict policys about recruiting , so they go to rvr and get owned big time , ( hmmm wondering ere bac to topic i think ) i just was pissed to see all the flaming for no reason in the original topic Censi aggroed it was his own tough luck , and if gonna flame for the others i had a go at make sure its a flame with a reason dont just be mob rule like a pack of dogs and all attack same target for no good reason at all , nuff said

 

[Mirt]

@ Red_HATred a couple of questions:

1) Do you not like 1v1? It can be rather exciting, even if you loose.

2) Only a small percentage of the RvR population uses IRC. From what I can tell (I don't use it all that often, but sometimes it's nice to chat after a fight that was fun/frustrating) pre-arranged duels are not as common as you appear to think.

3) Are you yanking our chains, or do you really believe what you write:

I, beceides myselfe if i play a melee class in pve, have NEVER seen one melee fighter swap Protect, guard, bodyguard during a fight. Because, it all just happens to fast.

It most cetainly is possible to switch BG very quickly, if your casters co-operate. A macro like /send &t >>> bodyguarding, stand still <<< help a lot (as does voice comms). There's a couple of friars about who are very good at it. Perhaps you should talk to them....

You think you run this RVR scene. You make sure that you have your way of fun and boycot the serious fighting that is at hand. You arrange RVR as you see fit, you sell out on the Spirit of the realm as a whole, You create diversity in a unit, You discriminate ppl from your so called Pro-scene (irc box). You get confirmation from the 16-20 yr old scene so You think you are cool.

Like I said above, some IRC cross-realming does happen, but it's nowhere near as common as you think.

You imply that the Realm Vs Realm aspects of DAoC is the "serious fight", and that anything else has no value. I guess you've never expirenced any good 1v1 or 8v8, you've missed out, I feel sorry for you - since it's a very competitive and (mostly) enjoyable aspect of the game.

As for all the keep warfare stuff, well I don't know if you've noticed but DAoC doesn't do that very well in comparison to say Planetside, and a lot of players don't really like it. Mythic's designers are definatly not all wise and all knowing, so sticking religiously to the "party line" is a little silly if it sucks.

The basics of it all is simple: you talk to the enemy, it is treason, you should be linched accordingly.

But it's not that simple. Ever heard of dis-information?

but since i'm sticking to usefull fights and ain't verry fond of the aimless roaming and hunting without a cause

Assuming that's some sort of siege related fight, you must get awfully bored, especially when you get "farmed" by gank groups. Besides "aimless roaming" definatly sharpens your skills (and RR), so you can be much more effictive when you fight for your realm (witness what DH used to do to the alb zerg).

see how you ppl fucked up rvr?

I don't particularly like the current RvR situation, it's heavily zerged by mids whith minimal alb presence (a shame, I don't know why they don't show them selves more).

i can draw a line between "this" and "what is".

You keep on saying that, I don't really get why. To me realm is pretty superficial, we're all gamers at the end, and a certain level mutual respect makes the game more pleasent. (That's why people hate Horner so much, as he must win at ALL costs and use his emote macros)

k, i don't mind ppl thinking that i'm jealous although i would wonder what do i have to be jealous about?

I think you're jealous of success and wish to tar peoples names with imaginary IRC conspircies, or what ever else you can dream up.

name me the first hounorable assassin,

Mmm, well as somone who has soloed extensivly as a visible I do tend to agree that stealthers attract those with "loose morals", however some of the stealthers are really nice guys, and don't "add" or generally screw things up for their realm mates.

as for knights, the only hounorable fights that occured were the tournaments for a ladies hand i think

Historically that's not the case at all. There where many instances of solo combat (sometimes to first blood, sometimes to submission, sometimes to the death) between knights and officers. War is a pretty horrific thing, and it's much better if two champions fight rather than whole armies.

otherwise you would start to feel sympathy, which would make you weak...

Groove spare my VW quite a lot when I solo. Do you think they're weak?

but the thing is that the thinn line between keeping that basic stuff alife, becomes threatened because some think then can re-write the rules and make it their own. And since it is verry hard for some ppl to see and understand that "line"... something must be done ..

Oh we see your point, we just don't agree with it.

i know it takes a certain age to figure out what it means to take responcible actions

What does enjoying something other than mass realm vs realm conflict have to do with maturity? Surely you are the one who needs to grow not us, as we 're able to think outside of the box.

 

[Jaem-]

k, i don't mind ppl thinking that i'm jealous although i would wonder what do i have to be jealous about?

about the fact i don't do what they do? about the whole "social" interaction pattern that exists around our universe?

stereotyping ppl. There always are exception to all there can be said. i use Irc as well.. i can draw the line, i know others can do that as well. How to tell? dunno.

but jealous, dunno, wouldn't know what to be jealous about

I dunno, just seems this way from your posts(below is one), are you jealous because they've reached a higher level through time and/or "skill"?
Maybe what they say about denial is true?

last note, if we get all high realm ranks deleted because it is obvious that the MAJORITY of rr 8+ ppl are lame cheaters... that would result into the only TRUE high realm ranks out there... the spirited once...

EDIT: Also, would you concider 2 people wanting a game of 1v1 at Tennis flexing their e-peen? picture this, the same situation but in DAoC.

 

[collegien]

Its a river in Africa !

 

[Theseus]

still deciding on Ironhearts age, 12 or 42 ?

 

[Kerith]

Hyde Park is the answer i think

 

[Vodkafairy]

red hatred on irc?

i guess you're the guy that always stays anon and gives people rants about how much of a hypocrit they are, and insulting them thinking you know even the slightest bit of their rl?

heard it happen to staj really often, and to me aswell once or twice..

wouldnt surprise me a bit if its the same guy

 

[Gamah]

Hehe, can't wait to fight all the excal stealthers :OI

 

[elbeek]

Random shit

And you are?

Me and farty pants go back a long way, before he got his "king of the barrows" title.

Ironheart does make some valid points but he tries to enforce his ideals on everyone else in the game. He puts himself on a pedestal for people like me to fire at. I have always enjoyed our "discussions".

You on the other hand, crawl out once in a blue moon, make some inane comment then crawl back from whence you came. Do us all a favour and come back when you have a clue.

 

[Vodkafairy]

I'm very much fed up of people being called 'leet' just because they have an opposing view of what fun is.

/agree completely

 

[Sollers]

/agree completely

fs, i agree with you again vf.

we're gonna end up having babies, I just know it.

 

[elbeek]

fs, i agree with you again vf.

we're gonna end up having babies, I just know it.

May I watch please?