F***ed up kids, is it the parent's fault?

[Chronictank]

"A girl of nine was being held last night after she allegedly stabbed a 11 yr old friend to death in an arguent over a rubber ball.
She is said to be the youngest person charged with a killing in New Your City police said"

wtf is the world coming to, tbh i personally feel this comes down to the way kids are brought up. I am shocked and disgusted at the way things are going, its all well and good blaming tv, comp games, music, society etc etc,,,
but has it ever occured to the people who are making the accusations it may be the parents?. I mean if a kid has no respect for his/her own parents what are the chances they are going to respect anyone else when thye grow up?
If a kid is left to wander the streets till the small hours of the morning, what are the chances they will get into bad company/habits?

for example i was on my way home from work and i saw this kid swearing at his mother and her swearing back at him, he cant have been older than 6.. what she expect he isnt going to learn the words she is yelling at the top of her lungs?

I opened a door for a lady with a pram and my jaw fell to the floor when she said

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"what the fuck you want? you think cus i have a fucking kid i cant open doors for myself, who do you think you are?"

If this is the example being given to their kids is it any wonder they are growing up to be the illeterate scum of society they are.

Discuss

 

[Natswoo]

Tbh it's alwats complicated, i'd say it's a combination of parents and environment the child grew up in.

"what the fuck you want? you think cus i have a fucking kid i cant open doors for myself, who do you think you are?"

In that situatuon you say, "Actually no, I think you can't open doors for yourself is nothing to do with you having a kid. The reason is you look fucking retarded you silly bitch"
Damn feminists

Or you could say, "I think i'm a better person than you for going out of my way to open this door for you"

 

[soze]

Should have just laughed in her face and let the door close on her. And the parents treating the kids like that is bound to make a kid think thats how they are supposed to behave.

 

[Huntingtons]

parents partly blame the school - which is to some extend also correct. Children in school talk like that to eachother even in the young grades. Teachers can try and act, but it wont really help as the kids can't be under guard all the time in every break. But it's also much the parents fault because they dont act and just blames school, puts all responsibility off their shoulders. But all in all, it's what the world is comming to - Earth is fucked coz of us

 

[soze]

I always used to swear with my friends in scholl but never would i have had the guts to swear at my parets or another adult us was more than my lifes worth and i think that has changed alot now. I hear the woman next door calling her kids every name under the sun and then trying to tell them off for swearing what dose she expect.

 

[Marc]

Depends. Society and parents are both to blame. When i were a lad and shep were a pup, my old dear wouldnt think twice about twatting me one if i stepped out of line. She put the fear of god into me. As did the police when i was younger. "oi cortinas you little shit, get off that roof" is what PC Elmsley used to shout at me daily, before twatting me one too. I soon learned. Yet both police and parents arent allowed to lay a finger on you now. Silly really as there is no discipline at all nowadays. Not from police, not from parents and not from school. Its all the blazer wearing soft c*** politicians who have no idea about real life at all. Id love them to come live on the council estate i lived on in St Helens when i was younger. Theyd soon fcking learn.

 

[Fenderon]

ever seen "Jay and Silent Bob strikes back?" .. the start there when they are just little kids..

 

[old.Tohtori]

What's so f*cking wrong about swearing? Swearing don't kill people and all the old farts who think swearing isn't "polite" or "sophisticated" can suck my hoover.

 

[Huntingtons]

Depends. Society and parents are both to blame. When i were a lad and shep were a pup, my old dear wouldnt think twice about twatting me one if i stepped out of line. She put the fear of god into me. As did the police when i was younger. "oi cortinas you little shit, get off that roof" is what PC Elmsley used to shout at me daily, before twatting me one too. I soon learned. Yet both police and parents arent allowed to lay a finger on you now. Silly really as there is no discipline at all nowadays. Not from police, not from parents and not from school. Its all the blazer wearing soft c*** politicians who have no idea about real life at all. Id love them to come live on the council estate i lived on in St Helens when i was younger. Theyd soon fcking learn.

dont think hitting children is the solution tho, many works fine without a twack ya know, and many doesn't work well if they got twacked in childhood.

 

[Marc]

dont think hitting children is the solution tho, many works fine without a twack ya know, and many doesn't work well if they got twacked in childhood.

Im all for it. Speaking through experience a firm hand can set you on the right path. I think it should at least be at the discretion of the parents. Although saying that, if you smacked your kid round the legs in a supermarket for being naughty, there would always be some do gooder on the phone to the NSPCC claiming child abuse.

My point was also, that when I was younger, i was shit scared of coppers. As were most kids. Look at kids these days. They couldnt give a toss. Only the other week i saw a 16 year old, stamping on a police man's head after everyone had left a nightclub. The police and the law courts need to do something to instill that fear back into the public. Fear of police that is.

 

[Chronictank]

dont think hitting children is the solution tho, many works fine without a twack ya know, and many doesn't work well if they got twacked in childhood.

never did me any harm, nothing wrong with discipline tbh
but theres a difference between discipline and abuse

What's so f*cking wrong about swearing? Swearing don't kill people and all the old farts who think swearing isn't "polite" or "sophisticated" can suck my hoover.

i honestly do feel sorry for you if you arent joking

 

[Lakashnik]

my parents were hardworking honest people who punished me if i was bad and rewarded me if i was good.... and im now a unemployed lazy bum who sees no point in anything. this is mainly because i hate almost everyone and everything in this retarded world of shite.
i try to be as polite as i can. but i speak my mind. i swear alot. imo im saying a fucking word. sure they are intended to offend but i have grown up with them in society. not with people or parents telling them to me. infact my parents would ground me for using them untill i was about 16.
my brother on the other hand has had pretty muchexact same as me but he is hardworking he has "lifegoals" and apart from telling me a failure and being a dick to me in general hes a good guy imo.
its not parents. its not school. its no society its not computer games or films or music that we base how we should act on. its EVERYTHING. some people will copy what they see others do some will do the opposite. sure we can influence how people act but in the end the decision is down to them. people can teach kids good manners and how to act whats wrong and whats right from birth but the child can happily ignore it all if they choose to.
its part of being human.
everyone is their own person. altho some would rather be others.

kids stabbings others just because they took their toy is pretty fucked up. but in the end of the day there isnt much u can do, there are to many different people for them to be influenced by. and as much as u may want its most likely things will get worse before they get better. if they ever do.

 

[old.Tohtori]

i honestly do feel sorry for you if you arent joking

Great argument there.

I was being honest, not kidding. I don't find cursing at all offensive or wrong.

Also on the subject of child abuse, if i EVER saw someone smack a kid, i'd have at them for sure. If the kid can fight back, then you have the right to whack them.

 

[Bahumat]

if teachers could mezz it would solve alot of problems

violence is never really the answer

 

[Chronictank]

Great argument there.

I was being honest, not kidding. I don't find cursing at all offensive or wrong.

Also on the subject of child abuse, if i EVER saw someone smack a kid, i'd have at them for sure. If the kid can fight back, then you have the right to whack them.

what do you achive by yelling at the top of your lungs profanity?
nothing

swearing is just is symobolism of how little respect there is left in modern society, and you degrade your character every time you do it.
Hell nobods perfect, but i doubt even you would swear in every sentance at a job interview

As for "whacking" kids, i said before theres a difference between giving them a slap on the arse when they do something wrong and hitting them across the head as hard as you can.
Reason? kid links pain with a certain acton so doesnt do it again as he/she knows only bad will come of it.

 

[Jaem-]

What's so f*cking wrong about swearing? Swearing don't kill people and all the old farts who think swearing isn't "polite" or "sophisticated" can suck my hoover.

Its more the attitude then the swearing.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I didn't mean shouting prophanities at someone.

Don't know about the rest of the world, but in finnish atleast swearing is just something you use to give words more meaning. And in this sense, there's nothing wrong with it.

Like saying:

I hate that movie.

or

I f*cking hate that movie.

The later gives the person you're talking to an impression that you REALLY hate the movie.

If you catch my drift. Calling someone a bleeping motherbleeper with a bleep up their bleep with the bleep bleep is a different thing.

I say swearing is a power method and as such, works.

I don't like the idea of linking anything to pain. Ofcourse kids do the darndest things, but if i had to choose between discussing the issue for a lenghty time or do the "quick out" whack on the arse, i'd go with the talk.

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Its more the attitude then the swearing.

Well said.

 

[Lakashnik]

i fucking love teh seels stories

 

[Outlander]

evul kid = smacked up and locked under the stairs till they learn better

 

[Jaem-]

Theres a 14 year old girl that lives next door to me, makes me sick with how she treats her parents, if I had been like her when I were lil, I would have had a slap and sent to my room without dinner.

From what I've gathered she's been allowed to do anything she wants, her parents are just so passive that they'll do anything she wants without a no.

Yesterday I heared her outside with her mother saying I'm going to do this and that, take me there!(quite agressively too)... and I'm thinking hmm what happened to please can I do this, please can I do that, please could you take me there, and maybe a thank you.

Last month I heard from her aunt I chat to sometimes when she visits them, she was telling me that she was grounded but then her parents go out and buy her PS2 games... just because they was on special offer... makes sense.. :S

 

[Velveteen]

Lots of screwed up things happening at the moment guys...

listening to the radio on way to University this morning, 4 Kids, two 11yr old girls one 12yr old girl and one 12yr old boy, all under "arrest" for attempted murder on a 5yr old boy.

Somethings going wrong. I personally blame the police. I got the beating of my life a few months ago, front teeth kicked out, police turned up, knew who did it, didn't do anything about it. This is just a random group of 6 16year olds who loiter about causing nothing but trouble to anyone who is unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

If the police just said (when I say police I mean the whole system, from Mr. Black suit politician in his farmhouse 20miles from the nearest town and 100miles from the nearest council estate) if you're caught from ABH thats 15years non-negotiable. If you're caught GBH thats life and so on. If there was actually something to be afraid of people wouldn't do it. But no, juevenile centre's are just play area's for how many stinking months of a scumbag's life till he/she is let out to harm someone else's life.

The system is what is to blame starting at the top, of course it doesn't help that scumbags are adding to the gene-pool, although from scum-bags you do get good kids, which I have seen myself, and vice-versa, nice families can have bad kids. Typical example Prince Harry in my opinion, if it weren't for the fact he was royalty he would of been on street corners acting like a menace to society, its just lucky for him he was born into fortunes and can get away with acting like a jerk.

Small rant over and done with guys, feel free to call me a n00b, just another opinion.

 

[Hawkwind]

As did the police when i was younger. "oi cortinas you little shit, get off that roof" is what PC Elmsley used to shout at me daily, before twatting me one too. I soon learned. Yet both police and parents arent allowed to lay a finger on you now.

/agree

Was always getting clipped round the ear by the village bobby for throwing crab apples at the buses. Or many of the other thousand things he got us for. As for the bleeding wet liberal lawyers that take cases on like kids sueing parents, who slapped little Johnny because he set fire to the house. Down the bloody lot em. World would be a better place for it.

Give powers back to the police so they can get a bit of respect back. Should also give powers to teacher/heads to beat the little offenders to. The little shits have no respect for anyone and their parents are just as bad.

In general though a lot of people just have no sense of decency anymore, no manners. No regard for the law or anyone else outside their little clan.

A few years back whilst on a brief visit to my old town I went shopping at Sainsburys. Walking up to the zebra crossing/speed hump I saw this woman in a BMW motor down the window and flick her cigarette out. It landed right on my shoe which pissed me off a bit. So I picked it and threw it back inside her still open window. Making sure it went in the front and not near the two kids in child seats on the back seat. Saying, "I think you dropped this by mistake". Anyway to cut a long story short she went crazy, getting out the car screaming and swearing hysterically, following me into the store. I remained quite calm and just made jesticulations that she was totally mad to everyone looking. Well into the fruit and veg section still swearing like sailor she gets stopped by security and told to leave the store. People were applauding the security guards. It was bloody hilarious. Still can't believe a woman with kids would ever behave like that though.

 

[Bracken]

Worked with young offenders for 5 years, before that with kids in care for years. There is absolutely no doubt that the single biggest factor is parenting. Occasionally you can throw in school, lack of stuff to do etc. to add fuel to the fire but the bottom line is always parenting. That's how you get kids from the same area and some get in trouble and some don't. I grew up with all the ingredients to end up in trouble (single-parent family, council estate etc.) but didn't. Some kids in the area did. Now, every single kid I come across who's in trouble with the law it comes down to parenting. Problem is often their parents don't know any better because of the parenting they received. Often it goes back generations. That's why I can't see anything changing.

As for the smacking thing. As far as I'm concerned you don't need it. That's not to say I don't think people should be allowed to - within limits I don't think it's anyone else's business. Personally though I just don't think it's needed. The parent needs to establish behavioural boundaries so that the kid learns discipline - and in my experience there are many more effective ways of doing it than smacking.

 

[Rediknight]

It's simple - some kids are a nightmare now because of the way society in the UK has changed. When i was a kid and i did anything bad enough that it would be considered even near breaking the law, i lived in fear that a policeman would come to find me, handcuff me and take me away for years. I didnt know then, but i had a fear of being caught. Kids today don't because they know how the system works. Gangs roam the streets in packs of 15+, all hoodies and hats (please, someone explain to me the point of wearing both?? apart from wanting to look as fuckin shifty as possible) who will walk up to a complete stranger, minding his own business, and all kick the shit out of them.

and film it on their phones.

WTF is going on with this shit? They know that theres not enough police in any area, bar maybe central london, where a gang of 15 kids don't outnumber the entire force available, so when I look down the main road and see them all bumming around like a rent-boy posse, throwing shit at cars and smashing up shops - and i mean proper smashing up, not just throwing each other at a metal shutter - they know as well as i do that even if anyone did ring the old bill, they wouldn't actually physically be able to represent in enough force to make the little bastards think twice about doin it again.

Lets face it, i know coppers are meant to keep the peace, but anyone who's got the slightest shred of sense, and who ISN'T Jackie Chan, wouldn't walk into a gang of feral teens, and expect em to listen to him.

We need more coppers, with more rights and TRAINING, and for Borstal to be reintroduced. Europe grants every no-brained caveman the bill of human rights, which for some strange reason includes the punishment of law breakers. If you tell someone they're gonna be locked up if they do that, they go to the EU and start screaming that they're being opressed. Well, fuck europe, fuck the rights of people who try to take away others rights to a peaceful life, without fear of a bunch of chimps in burberry are gonna decide they "don't like your face".

Theres no fear of punishment anymore... Sounds like i want some kind of military state, where spittin' out gum is punishable by having your cock chopped off, but i live just on the fringe of London and Essex, so i get every kind of chav & NED wandering about my land

 

[Velveteen]

It's simple - some kids are a nightmare now because of the way society in the UK has changed. When i was a kid and i did anything bad enough that it would be considered even near breaking the law, i lived in fear that a policeman would come to find me, handcuff me and take me away for years. I didnt know then, but i had a fear of being caught. Kids today don't because they know how the system works. Gangs roam the streets in packs of 15+, all hoodies and hats (please, someone explain to me the point of wearing both?? apart from wanting to look as fuckin shifty as possible) who will walk up to a complete stranger, minding his own business, and all kick the shit out of them.

and film it on their phones.

WTF is going on with this shit? They know that theres not enough police in any area, bar maybe central london, where a gang of 15 kids don't outnumber the entire force available, so when I look down the main road and see them all bumming around like a rent-boy posse, throwing shit at cars and smashing up shops - and i mean proper smashing up, not just throwing each other at a metal shutter - they know as well as i do that even if anyone did ring the old bill, they wouldn't actually physically be able to represent in enough force to make the little bastards think twice about doin it again.

Lets face it, i know coppers are meant to keep the peace, but anyone who's got the slightest shred of sense, and who ISN'T Jackie Chan, wouldn't walk into a gang of feral teens, and expect em to listen to him.

We need more coppers, with more rights and TRAINING, and for Borstal to be reintroduced. Europe grants every no-brained caveman the bill of human rights, which for some strange reason includes the punishment of law breakers. If you tell someone they're gonna be locked up if they do that, they go to the EU and start screaming that they're being opressed. Well, fuck europe, fuck the rights of people who try to take away others rights to a peaceful life, without fear of a bunch of chimps in burberry are gonna decide they "don't like your face".

Theres no fear of punishment anymore... Sounds like i want some kind of military state, where spittin' out gum is punishable by having your cock chopped off, but i live just on the fringe of London and Essex, so i get every kind of chav & NED wandering about my land

Enforced exactly what I said.

 

[Runimatrix]

Velveteen i had similar expierience(sp?) to you in Feb 04 i think lol. Me come out of a club and 8 guys jumped me, 2 front teeth out(fake ones now), broken ribs, nose and then the general fat lips etc. this isnt a sob story cos hey if i found any of them who did it to me i kno 1 on 1 i would wipe the floor with them its just this country is getting fucked up. it is so bad i mean i like rock n metal and shit and just basically going into town isnt safe anymore cos of all the "chavs" or "scallies", ye i dress gothic kind of but you kno they have been brought up to hate me and my friends and why? cos we like different things? this country is so fucked up because of clash of interest!. We have let to many different types of ppl into UK for to long be that foreginers or just general scum bags but the cool things nowadays seems to be to beat ppl up and film it etc. Imo the cane should be brought back and police allowed to do what the fuck they wanted in a restrained sense. I hate this country cos the people are generally scum bags. Many are nice and im sure many ppl on FH are its just the arseholes who go around in gangs looking for trouble that wind me up. Rant over.

 

[Tasslehoff]

It's everywhere guys, not just UK

Mostly it comes down to bad parenting, in Denmark it's the parents that hit their children, who gets children with violent behaviour.

If you didn't have chavs you would have something else, we have immigrants walking around in gangs. I don't fear them, but I feel sorry for people who likes to walk in "goth" cloth or who doesen't have any contacts. If they get beat up, they have no chance whatsover to point them out to the police.

Here it's safer to look like one of them, and behave like you have an attitude problem. Then they think you're one of them.

But back to the problem, the problem is that everytime there's a problem in their home, the parents beat the shit out of them. How do you think they'll react when they get into the streets and encounter a problem, with aggresive behaviour or with a calm understanding, getting to the core of the problem, and finding a nice solution to it?

EDIT: Also, living in the ghetto, I've grown used to having my "big money" in my bus-card, and having my small changes in the purse. Only twice have people tried to rob me, and both times they didn't take anything. But it's always nice not having to discuss whether or not you have high enough "contacts" for them not to rob you. Just give them the small change, and have an ugly mobile

 

[Binky the Bomb]

Hell in a handbasket ppl, we've been heading that way for a while.

 

[Job]

Swearing is just used because you can't think of a nice descriptive word to use instead.

It's fucking amazing = It's utterely magnificent
What the fuck are you looking at = Why the condescending facial expression?
Oh fuck it = Damn I do believe I've rendered this apparatus unusable.
Fuck you man = I hope seven levels of excrement are poured upon your cranium.

See...A little education and you too can sound like a pompous, nancy, public schoolboy.


I had the misfortune of working in Kirby for a month , which is the the roughest, dog-arsed hell hole in Liverpool.
There I was standing in a shop and a little angel with his 16 yr old mum was sneering at me, the little sprite was but 3 yrs old, so I playfully sneered back.
He pulled his fists into a fighting stance, spat on my leg and shouted 'I'll have you c*nt'..f*ckin..c*nt, and was dragged away and beaten by his braindead parent who as she hit him was shouting, you little f*ckin bastard, I've told you not to spit.

This is the god's honest truth, they are beyond belief.

 

[Wile E. Coyote]

A very famous man once said:

Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.

Can you guess who?

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Socrates 400 BC!!! Some things never change... Hehe.