Experienced savages please look

[darbey]

Hi, Thinking of giving savage a try at some stage on my second account (no buff bot). I know youve probably seen this question before but im having dificulty on starting race and where to place 30 starting points. Id appreciate some up to date opinions rather than trawling through some old posts . Thanks for any advice

PS Going to start off 2h hammer/axe and respec later to H2H

 

[Arnor]

kobold is the coolest, norse/dorf is prolly more uber if you group much in rvr endgame.

 

[StewieG]

Kobold got way to much dex, if u want kobold its mainly because of luck, if u choose dwarf/norse dont place ANY start points in dex, since with stats buffs etc ull end up at 295dex at lvl 50
and since savage _need_ mopain and that got prereq of aug dex 2 (12 more dex) u cap ur dex there, id say since savage get no natural con, dwarf is best race, and they got best racial resist imo and if u go warf 15str 10con or 10str 10con 10quick or 10str 15con, just keep ur hands of dex

 

[scrow2]

StewieG, you forget that H2H weapons are 50% dex 50% str....so if you have 350dex and 250str its the same as 300str and 300dex. And dex is also in the evade formula, thats makes having higher dex more important than str. Norse and dorfs have a advantage in con, savages dont get +con when they lvl up.
I made a kobold savage and I put 10str/con/dex in the beginning....If I would reroll I'd say 10str and 15con

My kobold savage has near 1500 hp unbuffed and without RAs (with maxed con and hp) fully buffed 2050 orso.

Think dwarf is best....but dorfs look rediculous with h2h weapons

 

[tildson]

Ive read quite alot information regarding Savages, and by several threads concerning the race - the conclusion found Norseman to be the best race, in the matter of getting every stat as close to 300 that is.

Going 2h until 40 is the way to go, good thinking. And, here: check this link out for soloing: http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=42445640&replies=51

And, i would suggest u put +10 in str/con/dex as Norse. Good Luck !

 

[Avena]

Originally posted by scrow2
StewieG, you forget that H2H weapons are 50% dex 50% str....so if you have 350dex and 250str its the same as 300str and 300dex.

I heard it wasn't like that, it was like if you got 350 str and 295 dex you would get 295 / 295 out of that.

I would pick a norse btw =)

 

[StewieG]

in like 1.61 we get new caps or so .. bla bla patch notes read em all but dont got glue brain (danish expression dont know the english one) but the fact is u wont gain anything from above 300dex ATM!! so putting anything on start on norse/dwarf or making kobold will be waste points in dex, UNTIL 1.61 bla bla bla

 

[arrakeen]

Kobold only because of the look

as meny allrdy said dwarf, norse would probaly be the best

 

[braudristin]

Make a Norse

 

[StewieG]

if someone asks for help, writing "make a norse" with no reason why is kindda idiotic .. if u can come with a clear cut reason why and he thinks its a good reason he will make it ... giving it like an order is lame imo

 

[old.Meganuke]

rofl gimps

in 1.61 they introduce overcapping, so it doesn't matter what u choose.

and btw don't make a dwarf male savage, they'r so ugly u'll puke all over ur screen.

other than that, choose whatever race you like the most

 

[darbey]

Thanks all some great advice , ill go for a norsewoman i think.

Thanks again

 

[Archeon]

Biggest piece of advice for all savages...

DON'T SPEC SAVAGERY!!!!

The 5%+ health decreases are the biggest pain in my backside, oh it was fine when there where no high level savages. I didn't care how they specced then but now we have some and i've been grouped with them... well god, its not that i can't handle it its just a real pain in the ass to have to be focusing on the main tank and suddenly realise that little 1337 boy in the corner has been self-buffing himself to about 30% health!!


...besides that savages are cool, i like them though i havn't rolled one myself.

 

[Thg Gork]

dwarfs are to ugly to play make a troll or norse

 

[horsma]

Originally posted by StewieG
u wont gain anything from above 300dex ATM!! so putting anything on start on norse/dwarf or making kobold will be waste points in dex, UNTIL 1.61 bla bla bla

Actualy you are wrong and scrow is right. Same goes with huntters spear - dont matter if your dex goes over 300 if your str is lower.

 

[StewieG]

kk, not that i dont believe u horsma, but u got some proof of this ? cool if it does but what i read on herald and grabbags etc 300+ does a little less than diddly shit

 

[horsma]

Originally posted by StewieG
kk, not that i dont believe u horsma, but u got some proof of this ?

Hm. Ill take little back - atleast huntter spears work that way and you can ask that from Fatbelly. When we where in odins last night he tested it.
I would think that same goes with h2h weps too since they are str/dex based too.

 

[StewieG]

aahh cool thx mate (still doubt a little but thats the way im raised) ill test it myself, thank god i dont use hth, so mainstream

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by StewieG
kk, not that i dont believe u horsma, but u got some proof of this ? cool if it does but what i read on herald and grabbags etc 300+ does a little less than diddly shit

All stats that are based on a combination of character stats are summed, then divided. 250str, 350dex will give the same as 300str, 300dex.

The 250, 350 version is better though, as that also gives you higher evade.

 

[Avena]

Originally posted by Pin
All stats that are based on a combination of character stats are summed, then divided. 250str, 350dex will give the same as 300str, 300dex.

Were did you get that information ?

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Azeroth
Were did you get that information ?

By testing

 

[belth]

Originally posted by Archeon
The 5%+ health decreases are the biggest pain in my backside, oh it was fine when there where no high level savages. I didn't care how they specced then but now we have some and i've been grouped with them... well god, its not that i can't handle it its just a real pain in the ass to have to be focusing on the main tank and suddenly realise that little 1337 boy in the corner has been self-buffing himself to about 30% health!!

Isn't that why you went Mend? To be able to keep those savage bastards alive, no one else surely can as they're 48 pac

 

[SevenSins]

http://www.euronet.nl/users/keesriet/DAoC Screenshots/Savage/Savage Buffed.jpg

http://www.euronet.nl/users/keesriet/DAoC Screenshots/Savage/Savage Unbuffed.jpg

'nuff said.

10 con/dex/qui

[Missing some dex btw, they are on my new bracers but gotta wait for new patch ]

 

[Archeon]

Originally posted by belth
Isn't that why you went Mend? To be able to keep those savage bastards alive, no one else surely can as they're 48 pac

In defense of my healer bretheren i've noticed quite a lot have taken the single line respec and made themselves into some form of bastardised mend healer (39 mend... 39 MEND!!!!). I think you'l be hard pressed to find healers as highly pac specced as before sinse they all want 'd3 1337 spr34d h341!!1!!' ...

...incidentally the spread heals suck! i mean they really do, i might as well use my baseline group heal its that bad!..

..still, if i was going to whine about spread heals i'd make my own post so i think i'l leave it at that

 

[SevenSins]

Originally posted by Archeon
Biggest piece of advice for all savages...

DON'T SPEC SAVAGERY!!!!

The 5%+ health decreases are the biggest pain in my backside, oh it was fine when there where no high level savages. I didn't care how they specced then but now we have some and i've been grouped with them... well god, its not that i can't handle it its just a real pain in the ass to have to be focusing on the main tank and suddenly realise that little 1337 boy in the corner has been self-buffing himself to about 30% health!!


...besides that savages are cool, i like them though i havn't rolled one myself.

A group with a strong healer, the healer won't even notice the hp decrease, you're not supposed to think he used buffs, you should just accept the fact a giant dodo flew over his head, dropped his droppings, and caused 30% damage.

k

 

[Avena]

best way to find out imo what race you should be is to use daoc.catacombs.com make your char 50 and check what happend if you hadd 75 to all stats that you need, then 50 (base buffs) then 75 (adv. buffs) and check what it is =)

 

[Archeon]

Originally posted by SevenSins
A group with a strong healer, the healer won't even notice the hp decrease, you're not supposed to think he used buffs, you should just accept the fact a giant dodo flew over his head, dropped his droppings, and caused 30% damage.

Considering you have a lvl 50 savage i'm inclined to belive your slightly biased in your views.

But are you serious? A strong healer won't notice sombody in his group lose 30% health? wow, so thats what i've been doing wrong! Thanks a lot, you've really helped to put things i perspective for me.

 

[belth]

Ofcourse you shouldn't notice it, because you should be spamming the last spread-heal...

Anyway, isn't the HP-loss on savage self-buffs taken from your base HP, not final... So say you got 1.5k HP without buffs and 2k with buffs and cast a selfbuff that takes 9% HP, it'd take 135 HP instead of 180 HP, no matter if you were buffed or not?

 

[tildson]

Dont mind the hp-loss, u wont be losing very much. And ever heard of healers?

The overcap will work, though the 300+ wont have the same effect as 1-300 in stats. But, i saw this pic with a troll who had 389str / 2280wpn skill Every race are good, high dex and evade equals in strong evades, while as a troll u will make a bit more damage.

Its up to you, all races are good

 

[StewieG]

LOL tildson... that SS is from patch 1.61 with new caps on buffs .. and archeon wtf did u make a mending healer if u constantly whine about healing ? u shouldt care what caused the dmg unless its fall etc for no reason