Evade Cap

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xenny

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does any1 have a formula to work out actual evade rate in the game?

i know that it is capped at 50% and dont know how close i am and whether it is worth getting dodger or not

any help appreciated

thx Xen :)
 
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Moody

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afaik (from what I heard) you cap it with Dodger 2, and you cap it without dodger if you have a buffbot. Altho I wonder what dodger 3-5 are for then :p
 
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Eggy

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Originally posted by Moody
afaik (from what I heard) you cap it with Dodger 2, and you cap it without dodger if you have a buffbot. Altho I wonder what dodger 3-5 are for then :p

What about a friar with evade 5? Guess friar's Qui is always capped (with SC).

I'd like the formula too!
 
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smerf

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((Dex + quick) /2) -50 /10 + 5% per evade lvl + 3% per dodger lvl
 
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Eggy

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Originally posted by smerf
((Dex + quick) /2) -50 /10 + 5% per evade lvl + 3% per dodger lvl

ur

is that

((dex+qui)/2 ) - 50 / (10+5 per evade + 3 per dodger)

?

The way you wrote it, u put -50/10, which is just -5 :p
 
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Pin

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It's impossible to cap it at 50% in practice. Get Dodger 3.
 
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xenny

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nah think he missed a bracket

((dex+qui)/2-50)/10 +5%per evade lvl +3% per dodger lvl ;)
might b rong tho :)
 
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xenny

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Originally posted by Pin
It's impossible to cap it at 50% in practice. Get Dodger 3.

kool :D gonna go for it =)

even with buffs to 350dex and 250qui?
 
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Pin

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Originally posted by xenny
kool :D gonna go for it =)

even with buffs to 350dex and 250qui?

find a buffed armsman to duel and measure your evade rate.
 
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pez

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that 350 dex isn't on a friar right? i can't get mine much above 285 :(
 
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xenny

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i evade quite a lot in duels, but as soon as i fight another buffed assasin i seem to get about 1/3 or 1/4 evade :/ crap against sbs wen they hitting u for 300+dmg a time and u need an evade to do sum dmg
 
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xenny

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Originally posted by pez
that 350 dex isn't on a friar right? i can't get mine much above 285 :(

no on an infil m8, well it is actually 347 but close enuf ;)
 
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bishibosh

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Evade cap isnt strictly 50%, buffed assassins vs unbuffed rack up around 70% at least
 
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Trinilim

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cap works like this:

((dex+quick)/2 -50)/10 + evade#*5 + dodger#*3 = your % of evade.

Now after this number is calculated in, another formula is done (one which I don't know atm :\) involving the opponent's weapon skill, the number of opponents, and how many weapons they hold.

So if by the above formula you get 70% evade, you'll keep that 70%. And then when everything else is factored in, if you still have, let's say, 60% evade, it's then capped down to 50%.

It doesn't cap right away, IE: doing the above formula and getting 70%, then capped down to 50, then factor in weapon skill and etc.
 
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xenny

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Originally posted by Trinilim
cap works like this:

((dex+quick)/2 -50)/10 + evade#*5 + dodger#*3 = your % of evade.

Now after this number is calculated in, another formula is done (one which I don't know atm :\) involving the opponent's weapon skill, the number of opponents, and how many weapons they hold.

So if by the above formula you get 70% evade, you'll keep that 70%. And then when everything else is factored in, if you still have, let's say, 60% evade, it's then capped down to 50%.

It doesn't cap right away, IE: doing the above formula and getting 70%, then capped down to 50, then factor in weapon skill and etc.

thx m8 :) this seems good ;) gonna get dodger high i think,
dragonfang wins every fight ;)
 
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old.m0000

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problem is u can never be exact cuz ammount of evade is also determined by enemy's wepskill aint it?

so best to get dodger and a bot for sure ;P
 
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Pin

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Originally posted by Trinilim
Now after this number is calculated in, another formula is done (one which I don't know atm :\) involving the opponent's weapon skill, the number of opponents, and how many weapons they hold.

there is no adjustment for number of opponents or number of weapons they hold. that's only for shield and parry.
 
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old.Kian

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Stated intent by Mythic (who have been known to fall short of their stated intent...) is that a fully buffed assassin should be at about the 50% cap without any Dodger - which is why assassins got a free respec out of Dodger when the cap came in.

Unbuffed assassins can use Dodger 2 or 3, friars may just hit the cap with Dodger 5 (but you should find better uses for that many realm skill points :)
 
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Pin

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Originally posted by old.Kian
Stated intent by Mythic (who have been known to fall short of their stated intent...) is that a fully buffed assassin should be at about the 50% cap without any Dodger - which is why assassins got a free respec out of Dodger when the cap came in.

They are. Against opponents with low weaponskill. They need levels of Dodger to reach that 50% against tanks though (or most buffed opponents). And it wasn't the stated intent for them to cap. It was said that they will cap under certain circumstances, and therefore gave a respec.
 
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old.Kian

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Of course, part of the reason for that cap was so that assassins who tried soloing tanks were on a hiding to nothing :) The idea being that assassins were supposed to be a ''stealth through and kill casters/support' class, not a 'own anything' class... which fully buffed assassins with IP were acting like.
 
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Pin

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Originally posted by old.Kian
Of course, part of the reason for that cap was so that assassins who tried soloing tanks were on a hiding to nothing :) The idea being that assassins were supposed to be a ''stealth through and kill casters/support' class, not a 'own anything' class... which fully buffed assassins with IP were acting like.

The cap did absolutely NOTHING to assassins vs. tanks. Assassins were never above 50% evade against tanks with enough weaponskill. The only thing it did (or the wording of the Mythic statements at least) was confuse people into thinking that their Dodger was useless now, and thus respec out of it.
 
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Pin

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Originally posted by Jiggs
hmm i'm over the cap with dodger 2 :)

you're over the cap without any dodger if you're fighting someone with loiw weaponskill. you are still under the cap against tanks.
 
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Antedeluvian

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Originally posted by pez
that 350 dex isn't on a friar right? i can't get mine much above 285 :(

W8 1.62 and buy MoA :)
 
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xenny

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Originally posted by Antedeluvian
W8 1.62 and buy MoA :)

why? moa just enhances hit speed lol
whoa 3% haste for 11skill pts ne1?
 
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Pin

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Originally posted by xenny
why? moa just enhances hit speed lol
whoa 3% haste for 11skill pts ne1?

He was meaning Mastery of the Arcane. For increased buff values on the Friar (for higher than ~280dex).


(And Mastery of Arms is broken and has never worked).
 
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xenny

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aye but it is made to haste next patch :)
still crap tho imo :p
 

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