Errr.. ?

[Nxs]

I just got a mail from GoA, wich really suprised me, i got suspended for 3 days for "Jumping to a illegal area in Darkness Falls" i lagg-jumped onto the first stair on hibs side of DF,

Roflmao - thanks for a relly funny post cheared my day up.

You knowingly exploited a bug then complain when you get a 3 day suspension, lol got off lightly if you ask me.

 

[SoulFly]

If you've got an issue...

HERE'S A TISSUE.

 

[Corran]

GoA actually do their job alot more then you think. in the past week i reported 3 different things and got a decent response within 2 days.

Openly admitting you abuse bugs because others do is no reason for you to get of free. It same as saying " i shot that man as someone else shot a guy over there and you done nothing that i can see so you got to let me go!" Total bollocks

We agree not to abuse bugs, so then if we do we need to take the punishment, hell in one my messages to GoA i admitted i inadvertantly used a bug that lead to XXX happening later on. They replied thanks for bringing that to our attention, we will do xxx! thank you and have a nice day. So instead of purposely abusing simply report it!

 

[Morimdin]

Openly admitting you abuse bugs because others do is no reason for you to get of free. It same as saying " i shot that man as someone else shot a guy over there and you done nothing that i can see so you got to let me go!" Total bollocks

shooting someone to death in real life and jumping up on a stair in a game is a bit different methinks, and i never said anything about not accepting my "punishment" it's just so damn unfair that people that uses radar and such walks free, while i abused a bug mythic has well known for a year atleast and get suspended...

 

[Morimdin]

i'll stick up for you dude, when daoc 1st came out the mids had a bug where they had extra ridiculously long range on bows, this went on for ages not that im having a pop at the mids cos its goa's fault, poeple report radar use and they do nothing about it so tbh and imo fair play to you abuse the bugs cos if goa or mythic or whoever it is that runs this shin dig are silly enough to leave them there then sod 'em.
and thats my 2 cents, im kent brockman and this is eye on springfield!

finaly a non-stupid person that gets my point.. <huggle>

 

[GimpStrole]

finaly a non-stupid person that gets my point.. <huggle>

wot bout me tbh? check pms as well!

 

[Morimdin]

wot bout me tbh? check pms as well!

sowwy.. forgot about you :< thanks bud

 

[GimpStrole]

/flex

 

[Straef]

Gimp ain't not-stupid :<

 

[Equendil]

"It wasn't a rape, she was begging for it wearing a mini-skirt and all"

 

[Brolundar]

If you cant get the big guys, just get shorty.

 

[Ezteq]

Kool guy tbh ^^ and best sig ever

hehe glad you like me sig, though i hope you are calling kent brockman a cool guy as i am one who has to pee sitting...or risk getting wet feet.

 

[Ezteq]

finaly a non-stupid person that gets my point.. <huggle>

dont worry dude you aint alone oot there

 

[Jjuraa]

a cheater reporting a cheater....how novel

i never actually did speedhack unbelievable though that is. i have enough evidence to convince anyone remotely unbiased that im telling the truth. but im not going into it for anyone that doesnt actually want to hear it.

the reason i posted was that i found it slightly ironic that mr. Morimdin has sent PMs flaming me being for a cheater, and is now whining that he got banned for cheating. even if i had cheated this would have been a laughable thing to do

 

[Ezteq]

i never actually did speedhack unbelievable though that is. i have enough evidence to convince anyone remotely unbiased that im telling the truth. but im not going into it for anyone that doesnt actually want to hear it.

the reason i posted was that i found it slightly ironic that mr. Morimdin has sent PMs flaming me being for a cheater, and is now whining that he got banned for cheating. even if i had cheated this would have been a laughable thing to do

why are you on this thread? go on to best MT's and post that one you were on about earlier im dying to read that :wub: go on, off you go, get posting

 

[Morimdin]

i never actually did speedhack unbelievable though that is. i have enough evidence to convince anyone remotely unbiased that im telling the truth. but im not going into it for anyone that doesnt actually want to hear it.

the reason i posted was that i found it slightly ironic that mr. Morimdin has sent PMs flaming me being for a cheater, and is now whining that he got banned for cheating. even if i had cheated this would have been a laughable thing to do

imo read what i wrote to you earlier, i diden't call you a fucking cheater or whatever you are thinking in your silly little mind. i asked you why the fuck you diden't do anything but /cheering while a hib was camping me outside sauvage while i was trying to do my epics then you went on "blabla bla he's honorable bla bla bla"... the third time i tried to get out of sauvage he got jumped by a patrol, while i was helping the patrol, you were spamming me with "stop it you fucking twat fuck you" so imo stfu and go away

 

[Jjuraa]

actually i said: "stop you fucking muppet" because you intentionally added on a fight with one of the most respected enemy players in the game.. but each to there own, we cant all keep our cool as soon as there are ARPEES!!11 to be had..

and incidently, yes you did call me a "fucking cheater" at the time..

as for your pally, i was midside DF, 2 other necros were there, you come along with your pally, straight up to the steps, lag jumped up onto the first one, spammed the archer at the top with taunt, jumped back down. yes is was deffinately called Morimdin. if it "wsasnt you it wsas my lil brother" then i suggest you stop him using your account before you get banned.

no wait. i dont. carry on..

 

[Bunnytwo]

when daoc 1st came out the mids had a bug where they had extra ridiculously long range on bows

True, how many people got banned for that one? Thought as well (just off top of my head so might be wrong) that had casters able to get below casting speed cap, isn't that a bug in the system the exploiting of which should lead to bans?

Also remember seeing in some patch or other a note about, think was Middies (K my memory sucks, but there you go) being able to stand on top of some rock or other while xping and being able to pincushion the mobs who couldn't reach them.

Not saying that cheating is right, just would like to be certain that all exploits are treated with an even hand and not just a case of depending whose doing it and the numbers of peeps doing it.

P.S Just wondering, do hope GOA waited 3 extra days before taking subs off of your credit card when they banned you?

 

[Starbuck]

personaly I think if there is a bug in the game you can't expect people not to use it..how can you control whether people use it or not..its nonsence.

If all can use the same bug there is no disadvantage to either side so the playing field is level...if its serious enough to ruin the game for people then it should be fixed.

If it can't be fixed, why are we paying to play?

Saying this I don't even know the bug this thread refers to and don't have time to read it all. Like my opinion to be known about these things.

Change the rules imo.

 

[Bunnytwo]

actually i said: "stop you fucking muppet" because you intentionally added on a fight with one of the most respected enemy players in the game..

And? . . . . Last I heard it was RvR not Duelling.

 

[Corran]

True, how many people got banned for that one? Thought as well (just off top of my head so might be wrong) that had casters able to get below casting speed cap, isn't that a bug in the system the exploiting of which should lead to bans?

Also remember seeing in some patch or other a note about, think was Middies (K my memory sucks, but there you go) being able to stand on top of some rock or other while xping and being able to pincushion the mobs who couldn't reach them.

Not saying that cheating is right, just would like to be certain that all exploits are treated with an even hand and not just a case of depending whose doing it and the numbers of peeps doing it.

P.S Just wondering, do hope GOA waited 3 extra days before taking subs off of your credit card when they banned you?

You can subscribe for 6months and 2days later be prema banned and your sub is void and they shant refund you the money as it covered in the coc etc. so basically he loses 3days of subs. not like it be punishment otherwise.

 

[Bunnytwo]

You can subscribe for 6months and 2days later be prema banned and your sub is void and they shant refund you the money as it covered in the coc etc. so basically he loses 3days of subs. not like it be punishment otherwise.

Thought the punishment was supposed to be the fact that you can't play the game for 3 days. Not that in effect they take can take money off you for not providing a service.

The main point being that as money is involved GoA won't take an even hand with banning as they're not going to go banning for a bug that large numbers of people exploit as it hits their revenue. But they will some poor sod who happens to be using the wrong exploit.

 

[IainC]

Quick point about our policy on cheating.
We will take action against anyone who we can reasonably prove is cheating. Generally we are light on first offenders as our experience shows that once they are shown that there are consequences, they stay in line. However we then take a correspondingly harder line with those who fail to learn this lesson. Certain offences also are deemed to warrant a harsher penalty than a 3 day suspension, each case is weighted on its merits and all factors are taken into account.

There are no 'tolerated' cheating methods. It doesn't matter whether you are only affecting yourself or a whole realm, it makes no difference whether it's a common exploit or one that has never been seen. We will take steps against it. The vast majority of our players are honest and take a dim view of cheating. There is no advantage for us to be seen to be condoning cheating as it leads to a sense of disenfranchisement amongst the majority of our players. We can lose a few subscriptions in the short term by banning cheats or we can kill the community by tolerating unfair play. We really don't need the handful of euros that the minority of cheating players bring in that badly.

Every report of cheating gets followed up and investigated. Obviously some things are easier to prove than others and a lot of things can be proved after the fact - we don't always have to witness it ourselves. Other things are more complex and may require weeks of investigation. We have to be fair and we have to be sure that any action is absolutely warranted. If there's any doubt we have to drop it. Having said that, most of the GMs have 'watchlists' with names of people who we are sure are cheating but haven't been caught yet. In less busy periods, we'll cruise around and check on some of them. Sometimes justice takes a little time but it comes around eventually.

 

[Kalthorine]

<applauds Requiel for an excellent attitude toward cheaters>

<abuses cheaters (while refusing to judge Morimdin harshly coz it probably wasn't either intentional or malicious) with a big stick> :touch:

 

[GimpStrole]

Requiel, can i give u a list of all the bugs out there that still havnt been fixed since beta, and ppl still using them? :E

 

[Bunnytwo]

So how many players were banned for using that "bugged" bow or for hunting from positions that were inaccessable to mobs? Just as a matter of interest.

 

[GimpStrole]

now is a good time for mythic to fix that step, if their not too busy thinking of another add on :/

 

[Starbuck]

I agree with your stance on cheating, as this does ruin games and am glad its deemed important.

I just cannot understand why, people using bugs in the game to their advantage constitutes cheating. They are features of the game until they are ironed out imo, the fact that they have not been fixed must mean they are not significant enough to effect the game. Also if you cannot prove 100% of the time who is using these bugs and who isn't then it makes the playing field unfair for the honest ones.

I'd also like to find a list of these bugs as I'm currently aware that I'm doing anything wrong and don't want to get suspended by accident.

Regards,

 

[IainC]

It's quite hard to cheat by accident, generally players should know that putting themselves in a spot where mobs can't reach them or where they need to use some kind of lagtrick or external help to get to is exploiting.
As I said previously, the vast majority of our players are honest and play fairly. It demeans the effort put in by these people if unscrupulous players can get the same reward with no risk.

There are bugs and holes in the game and we work closely with you people and with Mythic on identifying and then closing them (last week for example we ran a short hotfix that removed a few texture bugs). However in the Code of Conduct which you accept everytime you log in, you agree not to use them but instead to report them when you find them.

 

[GimpStrole]

btw, what happened to Kemor?