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Morimdin

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I just got a mail from GoA, wich really suprised me, i got suspended for 3 days for "Jumping to a illegal area in Darkness Falls" i lagg-jumped onto the first stair on hibs side of DF, killed a luri and jumped down again. In the mail it says that you should report bugs to GoA etc. instead of exploiting them, but GoA/Mythic has know of that bug probably since the DF patch was released in the beta's.. now why do they ban me for "bug-killing" 1 single hib, instead of do something about all the radar users in Emain Macha? and who hasen't jumped up the stairs sometime? -_- french people rox0rz!



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Texture bug abuse

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Response (CM) 06/02/2004 02:23 PM
Greetings,

We have investigated an incident of bug abuse and found your account to be involved. The specifics are:

Character: Iseeyou
Account: xxxxxxx
Date: 27 May
Details of the offence: Jumping to an illegal area in Darkness Falls
Consequences for the account: Suspension for 3 days

Should similar incidents occur in the future, this incident will be taken into consideration when determining the consequences.

When starting the game on the European servers of Dark Age of Camelot, you agreed to the terms of the End User License Agreement (EULA) and the rules established by the Code of Conduct.

- Article in the Rules of Conduct:

Players undertake not to make use of any bugs, nor to use any undocumented functions, nor to exploit any possible design faults. Players also undertake to notify GOA personnel of the presence of any bugs, undocumented functions or design faults that they may discover as soon as possible.

- Article in the Rules of Conduct

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It is forbidden to supply the means of access to software of an illegal and/or harmful nature (such as viruses or hacking/pirating programs).


- Article in the General Conditions:

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Cheating is NOT tolerated in an online game and is not accepted on the servers of Dark Age of Camelot.

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nuky

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you broke the rules you agreed you wouldnt break, nuff said. imo your luckly thats all you got
 

Graknak

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QQ 4tehwin :m00:

If i knew there was a bank with no security then should i rob it?

Using bugs makes you a cheater, no matter how big/small the bug is and face it, some bugs are just easier to trace then others.

You Sir, have been wtfpwned!!!11!1
Have a nice day.
 

frogster

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I'm sorry, i fail to see your point.
You used a bug to your advantage to kill an enemy realm member, and got suspended for it.
You "accidently lag jumped" onto an area where you shouldnt have been able to get to, though i dont see how this is possible. You should have jumped straight back down, or logged and reported it to Rightnow, not killed anything that moved Oo
And tbh, what makes "bug-killing" any less severe than Radar? Its all cheating and ruins the game for people that dont cheat.
 

SevenSins

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Don't see why they didn't perma-ban you.

Bug abusing is bug abusing, cheating is cheating.

Whether you use radar for 1 kill, or for 3 months straight, whether you use the Stairs bug in DF for just once, or 5 hours straight, it's irrelevant.

You abused a bug and now you're paying the price.

Good to see GOA are actually doing something so thanks for boasting our confidence in them :)
 

GimpStrole

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omg, GOA u actually suck. Ive jumped up the first step all the time, i dont kill anyone i just do it to showoff :E Surely they should actually f***in do something about it instead of banning ppl left right and fecking centre? Tards!!!!! :kissit: :kissit:
Edit: Amagad! Y dont they just make the step bigger?!!?!?!?!?!?!!??!!?!?!?!?!?!
 

willowywicca

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Haha got exactly what you deserve cheater :p

Hurray for GOA, they actually do do things occassionally! \o/
 

GimpStrole

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Btw nice to see so many albs sticking up for Iseeyou, i mean everyone loves GoA cos the servers are fine as there are never any problems or anything, we all love GOA!!! .....
 

willowywicca

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GimpStrole said:
Btw nice to see so many albs sticking up for Iseeyou, i mean everyone loves GoA cos the servers are fine as there are never any problems or anything, we all love GOA!!! .....

Err yeah, just because GOA aren't perfect we should support cheaters, that'll surely fix everything :rolleyes:
 

GimpStrole

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willowywicca said:
Err yeah, just because GOA aren't perfect we should support cheaters, that'll surely fix everything :rolleyes:
There are loads of cheaters out there, not accusing anyone but ive seen loads of ppl using lag to cheat their way out of death etc, but goa prob cnt fix that, but they can fix that step on DF since ive been on it before, like lots of other ppl but I didnt intend to get up there, it was the lag from the server that caused it. If that was the same for Iseeyou, then isn't he in the right and GoA in the wrong?
 

Jenkz

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GOA cant fix it, mythic can.

GOA run the servers only, not develop them. They got a report of someone breaking rules, found out it was correct, suspended for 3 days.

How is that wrong? It's much more difficult to catch radar users than to catch someone lag jumping up DF stairs, saying its OK to jump up DF stairs because they dont catch all radar users is nonsense.

Serve your ban and stfu.
 

willowywicca

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GimpStrole said:
There are loads of cheaters out there, not accusing anyone but ive seen loads of ppl using lag to cheat their way out of death etc, but goa prob cnt fix that, but they can fix that step on DF since ive been on it before, like lots of other ppl but I didnt intend to get up there, it was the lag from the server that caused it. If that was the same for Iseeyou, then isn't he in the right and GoA in the wrong?

If you read ISeeYou's *own* post it sure as heck sounds like he very intentionally lag jumped up just so he could kill that 1 hib. Yes it's something that should be fixed (by Mythic not GOA -- GOA can't do anything about it other than to ban people to prevent others doing it), but it's still bug abuse and intentionally doing it for personal gain (the rps from the single hib in this case) certainly warrants a punishment.
 

frogster

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"LOL M8S I ABUSE BUGS TO SHOW OFF xDDDDDDD!!!111111
GOA SUCKZOR, DONT BAN A FEW CHEATERS FOR ABUSING BUGS, INSTEAD MAKE EVERYONE REDOWNLOAD A NEW MAP FOR DF XDDDD SERVES THEM 56K'er RIGHT!!!! :OOOOO"

With any luck the next time you bug abuse, you can join him.
 

Equendil

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Can't see how that's surprising, you abuse a bug full well knowing it's a bug, and you do it to the detriment of other players, seems to me GOA did what they should have done.

And GOA doesn't take cheating/bug abusing/griefing lightly, just because they don't organize public stonings in Gothwaite Harbour doesn't mean they do nothing, just that you don't hear about it. Hell, we had someone in guild who got *perma* banned for furniture theft (He thought clever to sell all furniture and items in guild vault for cash) after we reported the incident not even knowing who it was.

Edit: btw, bit like being surprised at being arrested because you steal a car and complaining that it's not right because there are people out there who break into houses and don't get caught.
 

frogster

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Equendil said:
And GOA doesn't take cheating/bug abusing/griefing lightly, just because they don't organize public stonings in Gothwaite Harbour doesn't mean they do nothing, just that you don't hear about it.

Give public stonings where the women have to wear fake beards :(

"Now, look! No one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle! Do you understand? Even, and I want to make this absolutely clear, even if they do say Jehova! "
 

DaggerElivager

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willowywicca said:
If you read ISeeYou's *own* post it sure as heck sounds like he very intentionally lag jumped up just so he could kill that 1 hib. Yes it's something that should be fixed (by Mythic not GOA -- GOA can't do anything about it other than to ban people to prevent others doing it), but it's still bug abuse and intentionally doing it for personal gain (the rps from the single hib in this case) certainly warrants a punishment.

yepp malev is right :) the guy said he went up there to kill the single hib and jump back down...thats pretty clear he did it intentionally...

and gimpstrole...do you honestly believe wot your saying cos its a load of crap lol
 

Jjuraa

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arent you the guy that called me a "fucking cheating noob" for "speedhacking" one day? this is pretty ironic... ive seen you jumping up the steps with your paladin too.. shame i wasnt petty enough to report it tbh maybe GOA would have put you out of our misery
 

GimpStrole

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DaggerElivager said:
and gimpstrole...do you honestly believe wot your saying cos its a load of crap lol
no that wasnt me it was a friend on the account, ill report him to goa!!!! :E
nah just think its stupid since ive seen many ppl using lag cheats and radar etc, and they always get away with it when i report them. :p
 

Jenkz

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GimpStrole said:
lag cheats and radar etc, and they always get away with it when i report them. :p

(assuming "lag cheats" as in "target out of range" 'window-dragging' in rvr)

as explained above, its much much easier for GOA to prove that someone is jumping up DF stairs (screenshot proves this simply) than it is to prove someone using radar or the old (think its fixed?) window-drag hacks.

radar you need to actually monitor the person dynamically, lay some traps etc (I heard they caught someone on excal ages ago by putting someone inside a tree, for example). much easier to catch DF stair lag-jumper than someone using radar/lag-warp tactics in rvr.

rules are rules, doesnt matter who breaks them or what severity, if caught they should be punished accordingly. should not excuse people on the basis that others are not caught.
 

Morimdin

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Jjuraa said:
arent you the guy that called me a "fucking cheating noob" for "speedhacking" one day? this is pretty ironic... ive seen you jumping up the steps with your paladin too
1. no it wasen't me who did that.
2. you got suspended for speedhacking.
3. iv'e never jumped up the steps with my paladin, as there is no point in that cause he can't do anything up there..
 

DaggerElivager

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GimpStrole said:
no that wasnt me it was a friend on the account, ill report him to goa!!!! :E
nah just think its stupid since ive seen many ppl using lag cheats and radar etc, and they always get away with it when i report them. :p

remember they can't just ban someone straight away if one person says they did something...they need extensive proof (such as the screenie of a guy on steps or traps in rvr for radar as guy above said). just because you don't see people get banned, it doesnt mean it don't happen.

Also, if you say why did they ban this guy...there will laways be someone saying that about the next cheater and if they took your view...then no one would be punished for cheating.
 

Morimdin

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you are all missing my point... GoA/Mythic has know about that fecking bug for a VERY long time, still they haven't donne anything at all about it. now what does it help to suspend a random person who jumps up, when so many others still are doing it?if they actually wanted to prevent people to do it, they could easily have fixed that bug a long time ago, instead of suspending a low percentage of people that is abusing this bug. same as the stones by the bridge's in battlegrounds, archers and ranged casters climb up day by day, yet again, Mythic does nothing. :eek:
 

NeonBlue

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Jjuraa said:
arent you the guy that called me a "fucking cheating noob" for "speedhacking" one day? this is pretty ironic... ive seen you jumping up the steps with your paladin too.. shame i wasnt petty enough to report it tbh maybe GOA would have put you out of our misery

a cheater reporting a cheater....how novel ;)
 

frogster

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Morimdin said:
you are all missing my point... GoA/Mythic has know about that fecking bug for a VERY long time, still they haven't donne anything at all about it. now what does it help to suspend a random person who jumps up, when so many others still are doing it? same as the stones by the bridge's in battlegrounds, archers and ranged casters climb up day by day, yet again, Mythic does nothing. :eek:

And you are missing our point....
Its cheating.....
Yes they should fix it, but in the mean time, they should suspend abusers.
So many others still doing it? Then report them too!!!!
 

NeonBlue

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Morimdin said:
you are all missing my point... GoA/Mythic has know about that fecking bug for a VERY long time, still they haven't donne anything at all about it. now what does it help to suspend a random person who jumps up,

hopefully stop other idiots like urself doing it...and so ppl get the msg that if u cheat or bug abuse...action will be taken....sadly u didnt learn

Morimdin said:
same as the stones by the bridge's in battlegrounds, archers and ranged casters climb up day by day, yet again, Mythic does nothing. :eek:


bridges in BGs....is not classed as bug abusing afaik...because u can climb and jump up them without using outside means

and if i remember rightly when Mythic/GOA was asked about this...they confirmed that climbing up there wasnt exploiting or bug abuse...

so again ur agrument falls apart....as they say....u did the crime...now do ur time :p
 

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i'll stick up for you dude, when daoc 1st came out the mids had a bug where they had extra ridiculously long range on bows, this went on for ages not that im having a pop at the mids cos its goa's fault, poeple report radar use and they do nothing about it so tbh and imo fair play to you abuse the bugs cos if goa or mythic or whoever it is that runs this shin dig are silly enough to leave them there then sod 'em.
and thats my 2 cents, im kent brockman and this is eye on springfield!
 

GimpStrole

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Ezteq said:
i'll stick up for you dude, when daoc 1st came out the mids had a bug where they had extra ridiculously long range on bows, this went on for ages not that im having a pop at the mids cos its goa's fault, poeple report radar use and they do nothing about it so tbh and imo fair play to you abuse the bugs cos if goa or mythic or whoever it is that runs this shin dig are silly enough to leave them there then sod 'em.
and thats my 2 cents, im kent brockman and this is eye on springfield!
Kool guy tbh ^^ and best sig ever :eek:
 

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