EoO - Bad Reputation?

[Solid]

cosider said SB prolly using a fast slash weapon (penalty on plate) and has about 80 more Qui than said Warrior who will be usign a 5.5 second hefty Crush weapon (bonus on plate)

and tahst about the diff, also that Garrotte is a shit damage style anyway, I said Comeback, aka a 39LA spec SB now that hurts more than Doublefrost

Still waiting for my "Solid is teh r0xx0r" threadh, come on hurry up

 

[Hufner]

Happy now, Solid?

 

[Naya]

I think I sort of understand why many people don't like Eye of Odin. I never had anything against them, until Noita left our guild to join them. I've always considered her to be one of my best friends, so it really hurt and for a while I hated the whole of EoO as a guild for that. I refused to group with them and generally tried to avoid them, but because it's such a big guild that was very hard. At one point I seriously considered quitting DAoC completely and I got even more angry at EoO because I didn't enjoy the game anymore.

Ofcourse this was a stupid reaction, but from what I understand many guilds have lost members to EoO this way. Later they even tried to recruit my best friend who was also angry at them at the time over recruiting Noita. I don't know how they recruit and why they try to recruit people from other guilds and I guess that's not my business, but that seems to get people upset too. And if something like that happens, it's very easy to get angry at the guild as a whole. You start talking to your friends about it and that way a guild can get a bad reputation.

Later I had a good talk with Noita and she made me feel much better and I realized how stupid my reaction had been and I also understood a little better what her reason for leaving the Amazons was and that I shouldn't have blamed EoO for that. This game has it's fair share of idiots but I think the majority of the people are friendly and I think it's the same with EoO: because it's so big, they're bound to have picked up an idiot or 2 along the way. But lately I've been grouping with people from EoO every now and again and so far none of them seemed to be intolerable idiots, mostly just friendly people. The Amazons are just a small guild, but we even have an idiot in it at the moment, and I know how hard it is to avoid them or get rid of them .

Lonit Heartwood / Naya Silksteel
<Amazons of Midgard>

 

[old.Eynar_Vega]

We don't recruit tbh....and if an eoo member is recruiting, it is not supported by our officers. Lately quite a lot of high level players have joined our ranks, without being recruited at all...

 

[snikit]

on the whole not a bad guild a few members seem to think that because of the size of the guild it gives them special rights

not everyone gets onwith EoO presonally i have to treat each member as i find them and avoid those i dont like. complaints about said members seem to get lost in the pipelines thou not a complaint\flame just my statemen, i've seen\heard any reprocussions. i my only be a lowish lvl but manners should start at lvl 1

Really all i am trying to say is treat each person you meet as an individual dont judge a guild as a whole (eh whitee)

 

[krill-nyd]

I guess that's a new policy Eynar? A good one if it is. I don't agree at all with the EOO flame-fest, I know, respect and like quite a few EOO members, I was even attracted enough to join for a short while.

 

[old.Khain]

Is it not time for the person that started this thread to lock it.

EoO have have a lot of bad apples. all guilds do.
EoO Has a long runing Bad rep from actions before.
EoO Is the larges guild so % wise is will have more of the bad apples
EoO is the largest guild and has been for a long time which attactes a few more of the "i'm the best cos i'm in EoO" type ppl. the day Wards get better they will jump ship to them. (wards was example, as i can not tell the future)

These are the things the biggest guilds on most games have to face it will always be the same.

 

[old.Immortal]

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shut up, the whole lot of you! you know who's the REAL muppet/llama/gaylord here!

..and im goddamn good at what i do. i win.

 

[mid-sinister]

Fatmomma, when I had noticed you leeching, asked you to stop and you argued back and did not stop right away, I immediately told a member of your guild, But a few seconds later you did stop anyway.

I'm sorry for acting so fast, maybe it was a little harsh to report to your guild immediately, but i have spent my life in malmo the past week and its got to me.

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Tindel,

I'm sorry, I dont know what I did to upset you , I cant remember that long ago, tell me in game, maybe it was a misunderstanding, if i was rude to you it may have just been a joke, we joke a lot in guildchat often to pass boring exping time.

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Sarnat,

You arnt saying what you think of the things that the shadowblade said to me, do you even know what he said besides what I have told you?

The things he said got to me, and he hasnt stopped, this person has had a terrible attitude towards me ever since i met him in malmo.

"I am the uber r0xx0r warrior"

Thats nothing like what I said, but what i was getting at is his only role in the group was damage dealer, i have to stay close to the ma or he will lose guard, help tank and peel, it wasn't right of him to say what he said to me because a rooted mob killed a shaman who didnt move away after he had rooted it, how would you feel if he said it was your fault.

 

[_tindel_]

It's ok sinister, I'm glad you see it that way and hope we can keep it like that. I've never had any problem with any EoO'ers and want to keep it that way.

 

[Fatmomma]

Originally posted by mid-sinister
I'm sorry for acting so fast, maybe it was a little harsh to report to your guild immediately, but i have spent my life in malmo the past week and its got to me.

Apology accepted - that was all nice and easy wasn't it, btw it wasn't the guild reporting that annoyed me rather being called 'stupid' and an 'idiot' but nevermind as I said apology accepted.

I would lock this thread but my profile is messed up and I can't log back in as Straw Dog.

Oh and grats on making 50 Mammoth, any chance of a p/l?

 

[old.Max Payne]

EoO isn't bad! Hang around with me and some of my regular RvR, Hunt friends, group and you'll have loads of fun. If you don't know the ppl, don't say things like this about them.

We have alot of fun when going on guildhunts, guildRvR's or just in guildchat when we are all minding our own bussiness.

EoO is my home since lvl 14 (so 2 days after retail started) and I'm not letting anyone saying EoO sucks cause they don't like someone in that guild.

If you don't like EoO.. /Ignore still works.

 

[Ottar]

> There is a large proportion of "senior players" who seem to believe that
> the fact they have the number 50 next to their name somehow makes
> them into some kind of master race.

Seem to believe? Ha! Just look at us how incredibly uber we are, especially those in EoO, posing around with our shiny epic armors and playercrafted arcanium underwear autogrammed by both Kemor and Legion. You lowbies are nothing but a dirt under the wheels of our chariots! I mean we can bloody one-shot Njessie!

Anyhow.

I gladly agree that there aint no lvl 50 quest for epic brain nor personality. On occasions I do have the rare pleasure of grouping with some unworthy lowbie scum who then turns out to be much better player than I ever will. However, there’s one thing a lvl 50 veteran is pretty much guaranteed to have.

He is guaranteed to have been there and done that. Literally hundreds and hundreds of times. Does that make us all geniuses? I wish. But seeing someone to come and make the very same mistake for a hundreth time you have seen being made.. It does take a bloody buddha to remain polite and rational at times.

> aren't we all supposed to be on the same team after all? In particular, the
> way some of them speak to other players (eg ordering them about,
> instructing them what they can and cannot do) is fairly disgraceful

There is a huge contradiction here. In the very same paragraph, you speak of being on the same team and then express your dislike of people telling people what to do. Teamwork is working as a team, and that means acting on orders. Each member of the “team” playing the game how he bloody likes is not teamwork but an anarchy.

As to the way these instructions are passed out at times.. Disgraceful is a good word, yes. I hate it too. Then again, sky is blue, water is wet, patience, unlike stupidity, is a limited resource. In a perfect world, the person doing the ordering around remains polite and charismatic at all times while leading us from victory to victory, while people being ordered would not be afk, unstuck in an aggro spawn two zones behind the group, spamming chat with requests for immediate rez and/or informing the rest how incredibly bored they are atm.

> Everyone pays their subs just like you, and has a right to play how they want.

To all the people who subscribe to such attitude, I wish you play classes that are good at solo.

Ottar

 

[old.Immortal]

Ottar: your sarcasm/tune you speak will most likely get you some broken ribbs one day (or like they say; its hard to pick up your teeth with broken fingers... ) just a warning, not ment to be offensive. take care out there...

 

[kalgarn]

Originally posted by _tindel_
I've never had any problem with any EoO'ers and want to keep it that way.

i lub ya tindel

 

[Ottar]

> its hard to pick up your teeth with broken fingers..

Thank you so much for yer kind concern. I am about 185 cm tall, weight about 90 kilos and a fairly good shot with a rifle. In real life, people rarely pick fights with me.

Ottar

 

[Blood]

Originally posted by Sarnat

"You're so lucky to get to group with us as SB"
......
Who the hell gave YOU the right to talk like that to people?

as a hunter im sure sinister got similar remarks while xping, and i think he is wrong regarding sb's damage potential.

 

[old.Noita]

Fatmomma: The reason why I chose to place a disclaimer under my post was simply because of the following reasons:

I am a member and an officer of EoO

I was commenting personally on a matter concerning my guild and its reputation, and wanted to make it ABSOLUTELY clear that this was my personal opinion only and not to have anyone assume that because I am an officer of the guild that I was talking for the whole guild. Or for that matter positioning the guild on one side of the argument or the other. I am not senior enough within the ranks of EoO to do any of the above and so felt for the sake of clarity that I should state my position with as little room for misunderstanding as I could. Unfortunately on these boards, public as they are, there are many people who for whatever reason reply to threads without fully comprehending what it is they have actually read (or not read in some cases). Therefore, I will (on guild related matters) continue to disclaim to personal opinion, thereby allowing the more senior members of my guild or Blejsarus my GM the freedom to comment OFFICIALLY should they deem it necessary.

I am glad that this matter seems to be coming to a conclusion, even if that conclusion is not a perfectly happy one.

Please...to anyone who may care..........

Should an incident occur, where you feel yourself in any way maligned by any other player or players, and that incident CANNOT be immediately resolved through discourse with that player, find an officer/GM of the guild concerned and discuss it with him or her first. But be aware, they may be busy, relic raids/keep takes and so on so please be patient, this may be the very first time they have heard about this incident and will want to hear both sides before commenting. If you do not feel you can do this for whatever reason...discuss it with YOUR GM/senior officers and allow them to pursue the matter on your behalf.

Please also remember, that if anyone feels aggrieved about the behaviour of an individual, or a group of individuals acting jointly or severally, and you feel that there is no recourse through a complaint to a GM, then take a screenshot of the conversation/incident if possible or compile a detailed and reasoned report and post it to RightNow. Your right to an abuse free game is stated clearly in the CoC.

I am sure it wasnt the original posters intention to begin or continue the current Flame War against my guild, sadly however, this is what has happened. Having re-read all the posts on this thread we have some people saying that Mammoth (a member of EoO) was out of order and others saying Fatmomma (a member of The Dentists) was out of order. The truth of the matter as in most such cases lies somewhere inbetween with BOTH parties being somewhat at fault. Unfortunately by opening up this public thread with the title EoO - Bad reputation? The original poster has by default invited others to comment upon that reputation with the inevitable hijacking that occurs here. What we havent seen is a thread entitled The Dentists - A bunch of kill stealing xp leeching Malmohus n00bs? ... Of course not, that would be a very silly thing indeed.

So...from an incident that could have been quite easily and satisfactorily resolved in-game we have all become involved in a public debate on the reputation and attitudes prevalent within my guild, a Guild I may add I feel very proud to be a member of, and if it was HALF as bad as some people say it is I for one would have left months ago. However, my personal conclusion of this thread is that my Guild's reputation has suffered somewhat because of it, and I feel that this is both unfair and unjustified.

THIS POSTING IS MY PERSONAL OPINION ONLY AND IN NO WAY REFLECTS OR CONTAINS ANY OFFICIAL POSITION STATEMENT OR COMMENT ON BEHALF OF THE LEADERSHIP OF EYE OF ODIN.

 

[Fatmomma]

EoO - They Are Nice Guys Too

I have to say despite some of the initial comments by Froler both yours and Sinsters comments (among others) have actually improved my view of your guild - as I said and I believe you for one understood, this was not intended as a flame war but just as a highlighter of why EoO sometimes get a bad reputation among other guilds. Other then the hijacking and obligatory answers by people who haven't actually read the previous posts properly I do believe this thread may have improved perceptions of your guild rather then damaged them. If it has done this then surely it is better that I have raised the point on here and received answers from you and your guild mates that have only served to improve peoples opinions of you then talk to an officer about it and continue to grumble away inside my own guild whilst never really getting to hear both sides of the story.
I know there are people who hear one bad thing about a guild and immediately put a black mark against them and if I have influenced some of these people to dislike EoO then I am truly sorry but I don't think these peoples views need to be worried about too much by you. If you can come on here and intelligently and reasonably explain/answer/argue a point without resorting to derogatory comments in place of actual thought then I think the nice people in Midgard will begin to maybe think some of their prejudices are unsubstantiated and begin to give all EoO members a fair crack of the whip.

Oh and I went to Vanern last night and would just like to apologise to the other group there for nicking their spider after they had rezed me (I thought their healer had aggro and no power) - I'd just like to disclaim that it's only me that's a spazz and that the rest of the Dentists seem to know how to play this game just fine.

 

[Solid]

I hope this thread is a lesson to all to CHOOSE YOUR WORDS CAREFULLY.

Regardless of how you think your words should be percieved, they will be taken in many dofferent contexts based on who is reading it.

I suggest not using clever play on words or miscntrued questions as look how this thread ended up, look how it transgressed from what you wanted it to be into something entirely different and very aggressive.

Next time I suggest people stop, think, then start typing.

 

[stu]

Originally posted by Ottar
There is a huge contradiction here. In the very same paragraph, you speak of being on the same team and then express your dislike of people telling people what to do. Teamwork is working as a team, and that means acting on orders. Each member of the “team” playing the game how he bloody likes is not teamwork but an anarchy.

No contradiction at all. As a "less experienced" player I'm happy to listen to the knowledge of more experienced players. I'm no newbie by any means, I played beta, and for a considerable time afterwards, gave up when it got boring (yeah, I was dumb enough to pick a Thane. And yeah, I compounded it by choosing Sword. Bring on the respec) and only recently reinstalled. But there's a lot of people that know a lot more about how the game works than I do. I accept that. Fortunately I have a good friend who is *very* experienced (sad bastard ), so I can tap him for info all the time. I'll also do what he tells me, because I know there's a reason for him telling me it.

However, what I'm *not* prepared to do is jump to the attention of some imbecile with little or no social skills who thinks it's reasonable to, for example, order me to drop what I'm actually doing and travel the length of the realm at his behest. In the short time I've had access to guild/alliance messages, I've seen particular people (mentioning no names, but you'll know who I'm talking about) literally *order* entire classes of people to 'report' to somewhere immediately. That is not team work. That is megalomania. Ask me to do something, and I'll probably do it. Tell me to do something, and if the situation is urgent (eg in RvR) then again I'll probably do it. Order me to do something, and you can fuck right off.

As an aside (to no-one in particular), threatening someone with violence (of any type) over the internet is one of the most childish and pathetic things you can do. Firstly, because you have absolutely no way of backing up your threats. And secondly, because you have no idea who you're threatening.

 

[Ottar]

> However, what I'm *not* prepared to do is jump to the attention of some imbecile
> with little or no social skills who thinks it's reasonable to, for example, order me to
> drop what I'm actually doing and travel the length of the realm at his behest.

I can well understand that. Truly, I can. But there IS another way of looking at the same situation.

There are many people who find essential to their fun that Midgard as a realm is strong. That we dominate emain, have many relics, counter invasions swiftly and efficiently. All these things require manpower. When noone or too few people show up, it is painful to those people. And so we have what we have..

Leaders lose patience with people. People lose patience with leaders. Patience isn’t all that compatible with fun. Losing patience at eachother results in frustration, anger and chaos, which isn’t fun either. The obvious solution to this is to wait for a person with infinite patience, wisdom and competence to arrive and deliver us from hib zerg. I think I just started to understand better how both early christianity and islam gained strength at such a rapid pace.

Ottar

 

[stu]

I completely agree with you Ottar. In the examples I'm thinking of though, the 'Leaders' are not leading. They are, for want of a better phrase, being cocks.