England Fans

[Saggy]

British citizenship by birth in the United Kingdom

A child born in the UK to a parent who is a British citizen or 'settled' in the UK is automatically a British citizen by birth

* only one parent must meet this requirement, either the father or the mother.
* "settled" status usually means the parent is resident in the United Kingdom and holds Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILR) or Right of Abode. Irish citizens are automatically deemed to hold ILR.
* For children born before 2 October 2000, most parents from EU or EEA states were considered "settled" automatically. From that date this applies only in exceptional cases for those not from the Republic of Ireland.
* if only the father meets this requirement, the parents must be married. Marriage subsequent to the birth is normally enough to confer British citizenship from that point.
* where the father is not married to the mother, the Home Office will usually register the child as British provided an application is made and the child would have been British otherwise. The child must be aged under 18 on the date of application.
* where a parent subsequently acquires British citizenship or "settled" status the child can be registered as British provided he or she is still aged under 18
* if the child lives in the UK until age 10 there is a lifetime entitlement to register as a British citizen. The immigration status of the child and its parents is irrelevant.
* Special provisions may apply for the child to acquire British citizenship if a parent is a British Overseas citizen or British subject, or if the child is stateless.

Before 1983, birth in the UK was sufficient to confer British nationality irrespective of the status of parents, with an exception only for children of diplomats and enemy aliens. This exception did not apply to most visiting forces, so, in general, children born in the UK before 1983 to visiting military personnel (eg US forces stationed in the UK) are British citizens by birth.

 

[Cadiva]

Her parents are English that was the whole point of me posting that, if they weren’t it wouldn’t matter shit? Mr I state the obvious.

If her parents were serving members of the British Armed Forces when she was born in Germany then she is immediately counted as being English the same as if she had been born on English soil.

If her parents were an English couple on holiday in Germany when she was born and then they came back home and registered her birth within the statutory 42 days she receives the right of decent (as one or more of her parents is English) to be registered as English.

Neither of these options has any baring whatsoever on your statement, which Ormorof refers to, which was that people born in England weren't English if they had parents of a foreign nationality.

As for 'black' people, which usually refers to those of Afro-Caribbean origin, they first started to appear and live in England during the 17th century when England began shipping in slaves from the colonies.
In addition, there was a large influx of people from the Asian sub-continent, including both India and China, in the 17th and early 18th centuries when the Silk Road opened up trade between East and West.

In 1772, estimates made during the famous Somerset court case which ruled that slaves could not be shipped out of Britain against their will, put the black British population at between 14,000 and 15,000.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/legacies/immig_emig/england/stoke_staffs/article_1.shtml

However, CstasY is right in that the vast majority of people migrating to England (Britain/the UK) came in the late 1940s and early 1950s as a result of the Second World War and the opening up of immigration from British Commonwealth countries like Jamaica, the West Indies, the Caribbean etc.

 

[Cadiva]

British citizenship by birth in the United Kingdom

A child born in the UK to a parent who is a British citizen or 'settled' in the UK is automatically a British citizen by birth

* only one parent must meet this requirement, either the father or the mother.
* "settled" status usually means the parent is resident in the United Kingdom and holds Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILR) or Right of Abode. Irish citizens are automatically deemed to hold ILR.
* For children born before 2 October 2000, most parents from EU or EEA states were considered "settled" automatically. From that date this applies only in exceptional cases for those not from the Republic of Ireland.
* if only the father meets this requirement, the parents must be married. Marriage subsequent to the birth is normally enough to confer British citizenship from that point.
* where the father is not married to the mother, the Home Office will usually register the child as British provided an application is made and the child would have been British otherwise. The child must be aged under 18 on the date of application.
* where a parent subsequently acquires British citizenship or "settled" status the child can be registered as British provided he or she is still aged under 18
* if the child lives in the UK until age 10 there is a lifetime entitlement to register as a British citizen. The immigration status of the child and its parents is irrelevant.
* Special provisions may apply for the child to acquire British citizenship if a parent is a British Overseas citizen or British subject, or if the child is stateless.

Before 1983, birth in the UK was sufficient to confer British nationality irrespective of the status of parents, with an exception only for children of diplomats and enemy aliens. This exception did not apply to most visiting forces, so, in general, children born in the UK before 1983 to visiting military personnel (eg US forces stationed in the UK) are British citizens by birth.

Grin, someone who did go read the Foreign and Commonwealth Office's website

 

[Saggy]

Grin, someone who did go read the Foreign and Commonwealth Office's website

Actually didn´t and, erm, doesn´t my previous post prove you wrong?

 

[Cadiva]

Actually didn´t and, erm, doesn´t my previous post prove you wrong?

No, it shows exactly what I said it did, that someone born in England is English irrrespective of whether or not their parents are foreign.
British being interchangeable with English, Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish when it refers to the whole of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Sekul said as far as he knew, only white people were classed as English and that if you had foreign nationality parents and yet you were born in England you weren't English.

The example he threw out:

No there not, it’s where the parents are born and there parents and ancestors etc, my whole family is Chinese I am born in England so I am English? Sorry no it doesn't work like that.

So you consider a polish man that has a polish accent born in England English? Yes ok you win.

It is this point that I have been trying to explain to him.

 

[Saggy]

It is this point that I have been trying to explain to him.

I know, but you are also saying that borning in England makes you English which isn´t the case if I'm not mistaken? I can see Norwegian couple swimming back to Norway from their vacation yelling "noooo! this baby wont be English!".

 

[Sharma]

Hurrah, barely hours after the match finishes, im walking down Linthorpe road to go to Dr Browns for some nice music on a saturday night.

What do I get?

I get hundreds of drunken idiots shouting abuse at me, one threatening me because I WASNT wearing an england flag cape.

I hope all idiots like that get banged up in jail and forced to miss the world cup, no offense to you guys but nearly every single England fan in my area is a complete and utter fucking idiot.

 

[Marc]

WTF.

Gerrard wasn't up his usual standard.

Crouch and Lampard played better than him by a mile.

well it seems the papers and the pundits agree with me. You see, for liverpool, gerrard is the lynchpin if you will, for england you also have Lampard in the mix, so when Lampard goes forward, Gerrard sits back, but if you actually knew anything about football you would know this. Gerrard must of covered every blade of grass yesterday (lets face it, with Neville giving away so many balls, he had to) and his passing was sublime.

 

[[HB]Jpeg]

im NOT british ......

Im Welsh

 

[Aile]

Good performance in the second half, but people are being over critical, give the players a good chance to adjust to the blistering heat and get in the swing of the things, we are always a little shaky in the first game, a good win over T%T will be a nice confidence boost, and then we go from there imo

 

[Raven]

You're turning inot a broken record.

1. Is was a typo, hardly the same as broken English.
2. I wasn't insulting his spelling, I was insulting his English, it's the simple differences that someone of your "special mentality" would probably not understand.

actually my point is you sound like a spoilt little brat, if someone doesnt agree with you, you start to flame them, as cadiva said, grow up, your 21 for gods sake, isnt it about time you stopped acting like a little princess?

 

[Seakul]

Hurrah, barely hours after the match finishes, im walking down Linthorpe road to go to Dr Browns for some nice music on a saturday night.

What do I get?

I get hundreds of drunken idiots shouting abuse at me, one threatening me because I WASNT wearing an england flag cape.

I hope all idiots like that get banged up in jail and forced to miss the world cup, no offense to you guys but nearly every single England fan in my area is a complete and utter fucking idiot.

Lol unfortunately most are which makes are whole country look like twats

 

[Bugz]

well it seems the papers and the pundits agree with me. You see, for liverpool, gerrard is the lynchpin if you will, for england you also have Lampard in the mix, so when Lampard goes forward, Gerrard sits back, but if you actually knew anything about football you would know this. Gerrard must of covered every blade of grass yesterday (lets face it, with Neville giving away so many balls, he had to) and his passing was sublime.

Yes - but Gerrards usual standard is also sitting back slightly for the corners (atleast for England and last night) and taking shots off the rebound. Granted, I think, every one of those shots were put quite a length over the bar. I know he sits back and plays between the defense and Lampard but he is always in the enemies half potentially for rebounds and second crossings but I don't think he excelled aswell as this as he normally does.

Lampard however, did fuck all wrong from what I saw and Crouch played well considering his normal ability. The crouff (sp?) turn in the corner followed by the step over before earning us a corner was quite well done for such a small space and the constant trying to header to feed the ball onto Owen normally either succeeded or left Beckham with a nice free kick at a nice angle to the goal.

 

[pip]

For a instant c##t, just add alcohol if we get knocked out of the world cup expect some new shops, your old ones will get smashed up

 

[Cadiva]

I know, but you are also saying that borning in England makes you English which isn´t the case if I'm not mistaken? I can see Norwegian couple swimming back to Norway from their vacation yelling "noooo! this baby wont be English!".

At the risk of sounding like a broken record. People who are temporary residents of the UK, ie the Norwegian couple on holiday in this country, do not have to register a birth here if they do not intend to live here permanently.

However, if they were intending to stay here permanently, the baby would be registered in the UK and, depending on which bit of it they were in at the time, it would be English/Welsh/Scottish/Northern Irish irrespective of the fact its parents were Norwegian.

Again, all of which is irrelevent to the argument at hand. Which was that only white people are counted as English and people living in Engand who were born and reside here, with parents who were not native English, weren't English.
This ^^ is wrong.

 

[Marc]

Yes - but Gerrards usual standard is also sitting back slightly for the corners (atleast for England and last night) and taking shots off the rebound. Granted, I think, every one of those shots were put quite a length over the bar. I know he sits back and plays between the defense and Lampard but he is always in the enemies half potentially for rebounds and second crossings but I don't think he excelled aswell as this as he normally does.

Lampard however, did fuck all wrong from what I saw and Crouch played well considering his normal ability. The crouff (sp?) turn in the corner followed by the step over before earning us a corner was quite well done for such a small space and the constant trying to header to feed the ball onto Owen normally either succeeded or left Beckham with a nice free kick at a nice angle to the goal.

I think you will find, from the corners, Gerrard sat back as Terry and Ferdinand were forward. Gerrard is better as the holding midfielder than Lamaprd. To have both your midfielders up for a corner when both your centre backs arer forward is suicide. Lampard was there to try and pick up any loose balls. How many shots did lampard sky? He forced one save which was an easy save anyway. Apart from that he did nothing of note (except get skinned by one of the opposition!!)

In the first half, Crouch was workman like. He got his head on a few balls but none of them came off, but I put this down to luck as nothing would drop for us. Second half he was poor but that was through no fault of his own, it was svens stupid tactics.