End regen

[Lejemorder]

Was not ment as a flame sry.. :wub:

The point i was trying to make is more than one class can provide Heals, Speed, Mana regen. Ministrals for instance provide better speed than a therg or Soc, Clerics provide better heals than a Friar or Cabby, Socs provide better Mana regen than a minstral. But i would rather have Friar/cabby heals than no heals .. i would rather have some kind of speed than no speed .. Giveing another class end regen WOULD not meen Killing off the current End giveing classes if it was done in a way that was inferior to the current end givers but still usefull. All your aguments revolve around 8v8 gank group RvR which is only one small part of the game. Yes their are lots of pallys online but you cant always find one that say wants to go get for instance a Staff artifact that is no use to them of farm scrolls for an artifact item they cant use, Either that or say the one in your group leaves and you have to wait 30 mins to find one that wants to do the same quest/Artifact/ML that you do. I dont know about you but i would rather play the game than sit around waiting for someone who plays the one class with this ability to do the quest/artifact/ML that the rest of my group wants to do.

i can c what u mean now i wouldnt mind another class with grp end 3

 

[spook]

I'd prefer having my bard song fixed first.
Not fun being the lowest defensive end provider whose end regen is interuptable. Who else give up being able to wield weapon / shield to supply their group with a vital ability? Minstrels at least got their ablative chant. And I believe that bard is the only char to which their own songs aren't profitable while soloing (in downtime between fight perhaps, but duh)

with our already very low damage output, due to being on a silly damagescale and usually low pts possible to dump into weapon because we are needed to support group. Not like it would overpower us to have our end song made into a chant so we could at least style with our lvl 2 weaponstyle endlessly for +1 styledamage.

No adding end to more classes before fixing one of my class' biggest flaw, please.

 

[tasaroca]

and im told that shammies only get rvr grps coz of end but i dont think so with all the other utilty they got.[/QUOTE]

this is true unless u are a bb speced shamy i wouldnt get rvr geoups as a cave shamy cos my spec buffs sux but tanks dont mine haveing me alone cos evern my blue end buff is a hell of a lot better than none;p

 

[Glacier]

I'd prefer having my bard song fixed first.
Not fun being the lowest defensive end provider whose end regen is interuptable. Who else give up being able to wield weapon / shield to supply their group with a vital ability? Minstrels at least got their ablative chant. And I believe that bard is the only char to which their own songs aren't profitable while soloing (in downtime between fight perhaps, but duh)

with our already very low damage output, due to being on a silly damagescale and usually low pts possible to dump into weapon because we are needed to support group. Not like it would overpower us to have our end song made into a chant so we could at least style with our lvl 2 weaponstyle endlessly for +1 styledamage.

No adding end to more classes before fixing one of my class' biggest flaw, please.

I agree, make bard end a shout, having the main cc'er having to stand un-interrupted for 3-4 seconds after casting mez or being jumped to give the group end regen is stupid.. A shout like pala, or buff like the shaman's would be nice ;>

 

[Oro]

I agree bards have the weakest of the 3 flavours of end regen but its only noticable in skirmishing RvR (a big but I know). Paladins definately have the easiest one and arguably on the best class option as well: a fully defensive tank thats hard to take down.

I don't think if there was a second end-regen producing class per realm it should be a caster - they are already far too squishy and juicy to ignore.

I'm also not entirely sure there should be a second end-regen producer per realm. There is nothing wrong with classes having something unique or class defining about them.

But I think balancewise, if you look at it, none of the 3 classes that produce the effect get overwhelming superiority from it: paladins are weak offensively (with most specs, don't get picky), shamans can't even use styles - the end regen coupled with pbae disease is effectively an escape spell for them and a bard isn't going to kill anything other than by tickling it to death.

If you were choosing a second class I think it would be important to maintain this so either put the ability in a line that is often specced as a secondary ability or put it on a class that coupled with end regen won't become a battlefield hoover. I also think that a secondary end regen class should pay more for it for a less effective end regen because any secondary regen class you picked would likely have higher offensive benefit from the end regen ability.

I'm unsure about stacking end regens. I *think* Alb is currently the only realm with stackable end regen (I know pally end regen stacks, I know Shaman doesn't but I'm not sure about Bards chanting together). If you go with the weaker end regen it might be interesting to have it stackable but I don't know how it will affect things.

I'd be inclined to make it a 10 min group-only buff for variation from the primary end regenerators to make it still viable in heavy mez/stun situations. Hib would benefit most for reasons others have already explained.

Mid - Thanes
Hib - Warden
Alb - Friars

All classes from original DAoC otherwise may have selected Valewalker for Hib.

But despite thinking through where I would put it and why, I still don't think there should be a secondary end regen class

 

[Ormorof]

well i dunno if mid end regen is stackable since only other end regen available is from potions

the 10 min-gorup buff (like end used to be for shammys) is nice but i think it would work better with highest end available to them as end3 and make it a group chant, wardens already have self end regen and so do friars but i dont think warden would be best choice since they already run pbt (and so probably wouldnt be able to run pbt + end)

 

[Garok]

Im pretty sure Alb End is not stackable Ive used End pots In RvR when out of pally End chant range then when im back in the pally chant cancels me Potion based end.

Also not sure that Friar would be the right charecter to give it to in Alb since they already bring reliable damage (staff), Rez/Healing and base buffs and elemental resists to a group. Personly i would rather it went to cabby since @ the moment apart from health transfer they dont offer much to a group takeing on Low to high Purple con mobs (but great for lower con mob farming in spirit spec with debuffe lifetaps and good healing from health transfer).

Agree with Thane, would give them a nice little boost for what is essentaly a fun class.

Still unsure about Hib though mentalist would seem a sensable choise but then it would give Hib 2 squishy end givers but then warden's offer the group heals base buffs and PBT so like friar already provides the group with some benerfits, and i will maintain that it should HAVE to go to a class that offers little to the group.

Tricky.....

 

[Shike]

With TOA we r enter the age of castalot (ppl there claim tank grps r better should look a bit lesser on vn board as they r full shit) and then u want to make tanks even more useless

this permasprinting 2button neverending styling is just.. badly designed imo. Thats all. I am well aware of what casters can do with toa.. about same thing as before toa.. blow stuff up fast..

and please... dont give me rubbish about tanks beeing in a bad state or something..

 

[Balbor]

I'd prefer having my bard song fixed first.
Not fun being the lowest defensive end provider whose end regen is interuptable. Who else give up being able to wield weapon / shield to supply their group with a vital ability? Minstrels at least got their ablative chant. And I believe that bard is the only char to which their own songs aren't profitable while soloing (in downtime between fight perhaps, but duh)

with our already very low damage output, due to being on a silly damagescale and usually low pts possible to dump into weapon because we are needed to support group. Not like it would overpower us to have our end song made into a chant so we could at least style with our lvl 2 weaponstyle endlessly for +1 styledamage.

No adding end to more classes before fixing one of my class' biggest flaw, please.

Hibs low End reg ability does reflect the realms weaker melee abilty over the other 2 realms. Currently bards offer 3 vital group RVR abilities (200%+ Speed, Main CC, with 2300 instent interut and End reg). Both Albon and Mids require 3 classes to fill though roles.

TBH i think Bards get it easy, 1.5 spec point per level for a class with 3 spell lines is a bit much, Bards should be made to choose between Speed or CC and not have both. Clerics are the Albion main Buffer and Healer, and Healers are Mid's main healer and CCer yet they don't 1.5 so they can get both into the 40s. I think the fact that Bards and Mistrals have to constently switch instruments while the Skald doesn't is a bigger consern for song classes.

Rember hibs only need 3 classes for 200% speed, resist buffs, PBT, top CC, buffs and Mana & End regen. Albion need 6 and Mids need 4 to get them all.

 

[Dafft]

Give it to Scouts, I block better than any Paladin. Might aswell.

Erm Loxley, not many Pallys are a high RR as you beside Nurple would pwn you if she was your rr in terms of shield defence

 

[Leleith]

TBH i think Bards get it easy, 1.5 spec point per level for a class with 3 spell lines is a bit much, Bards should be made to choose between Speed or CC and not have both.

Hahah wanna see you really discuss that with a bard. If that happened, they would most likely "fix" minstrels the same way. they would be forced to... Would like to see that whine

Clerics are the Albion main Buffer and Healer, and Healers are Mid's main healer and CCer yet they don't 1.5 so they can get both into the 40s.

If you HAVE to compare clerics to some hib class, do it to the druid instead, and not to the bard. Druids are hibs main healing and buffing class. They dont get 1.5 specpoints either.