End regen

[Garok]

As we all know End regen is essential to realy and kind of Artifact raid, RvR or just about any kind of activeity in DAOC ... Still find it strange only one class per realm gets group end regen. More than one class per realm has the ability to Heal ream mates so why not allow 1 more class per realm to regen group end.

Question is what classes should get it.

My choise would be for ..

Alb :> Cabby .. only caster with out some kind of group buff in alb. Casted buff like dam add, haste etc in the Spirit line prehaps.

Mid :> Thane .. Chant in the storm calling line prehaps ..

Hib :> Pass .. Never played in Disneyland so cant comment.

 

[Ormorof]

if cabby got end regen instead of paladin you would just be moving groupability from pally-cabby

same goes with shaman-thane unless buffs got a range that you had to be within to have the effect

 

[Mishy]

if cabby got end regen instead of paladin you would just be moving groupability from pally-cabby

Hes saying in addition to pally. Would be nice for cabalist to have something to offer group.

 

[Loxleyhood]

Give it to Scouts, I block better than any Paladin. Might aswell.

 

[Brynn]

I challange thee lox to a block fest - name the mob and i shall bring my sheild

(btw i can sit on engage muuuuuch longer than tho as i have eng regen )

 

[Jaem-]

Alb :> Cabby .. only caster with out some kind of group buff in alb. Casted buff like dam add, haste etc in the Spirit line prehaps.

If I'm thinking what your thinking then shammy had this before, people whined and it went conc based.

 

[Garok]

If I'm thinking what your thinking then shammy had this before, people whined and it went conc based.

I dont think cabby's would whine tbh if it gave them some kind of group ability ... its a long boreing road to 50 solo

 

[Ormorof]

I dont think cabby's would whine tbh if it gave them some kind of group ability ... its a long boreing road to 50 solo

well it wasnt shammys whining, it was all the infils who were getting owned by shadowzerkers that never ran out of end

 

[Ubbis]

yepp

exacly

 

[Loxleyhood]

I challange thee lox to a block fest - name the mob and i shall bring my sheild

(btw i can sit on engage muuuuuch longer than tho as i have eng regen )

Engage is no good for guard though.

 

[Jimmae]

Engage is no good for guard though.

you can engage a mob thats attacking whoever you are guarding

had fun scaring crap out of a lowbie doing that before..

 

[Lejemorder]

well it wasnt shammys whining, it was all the infils who were getting owned by shadowzerkers that never ran out of end

note: end chant for palas got a range of 1500 means u cant get out of Master Wizards range b4 u r out of range think he mean a chant similar palas.

ohh then we r at it make end a chant/song (song if they change it skalds) in mid aswell when those tanks i nmid sprinting and styling at same time while the shammy is mezzed can learn how it is to be an alb.

but i dont think think an additonal class should have end, then we also can take pbt only 1 class per realm. then u ask why?
lets say u 2 clerics, 1 mind sorc, 1 minstrel, 1 cabby, 1 body sorc and 2 guards, normally u take a pala coz of end and they r mostly high shield spec, but a 50/50 s/s actully does the guard/bodyguard better then pala due to higher HP and more often hit dex cap on block (im told it r 300 but dunno if it r right) or why not take a reaver?? they got albs 2nd best block rate, 2 instants, 3 pbaoe chants there all interrupt but only get chain but evade 1 (and chain + evade > plate).
This will make a pala useless in a caba/sorc grp and atm r it the best caster setup in alb.
and im told that shammies only get rvr grps coz of end but i dont think so with all the other utilty they got.

 

[Ormorof]

think he mean a chant similar palas.

doesnt sound like it to me :

Casted buff like dam add, haste etc in the Spirit line prehaps.

and shamans get grps in rvr for end and ae root,

if end got moved away without buffs being made ranged then i bet alot of groups would live without the root (like they did before )

 

[Garok]

note: end chant for palas got a range of 1500 means u cant get out of Master Wizards range b4 u r out of range think he mean a chant similar palas.

ohh then we r at it make end a chant/song (song if they change it skalds) in mid aswell when those tanks i nmid sprinting and styling at same time while the shammy is mezzed can learn how it is to be an alb.

but i dont think think an additonal class should have end, then we also can take pbt only 1 class per realm. then u ask why?
lets say u 2 clerics, 1 mind sorc, 1 minstrel, 1 cabby, 1 body sorc and 2 guards, normally u take a pala coz of end and they r mostly high shield spec, but a 50/50 s/s actully does the guard/bodyguard better then pala due to higher HP and more often hit dex cap on block (im told it r 300 but dunno if it r right) or why not take a reaver?? they got albs 2nd best block rate, 2 instants, 3 pbaoe chants there all interrupt but only get chain but evade 1 (and chain + evade > plate).
This will make a pala useless in a caba/sorc grp and atm r it the best caster setup in alb.
and im told that shammies only get rvr grps coz of end but i dont think so with all the other utilty they got.

What are you ranting about it makes no sence tbh..

Good luck putting that group together after finding 2 differet spec'd socs a cabby etc you would find the tanks could not keep agro when they had run out of end and the group would die then dispand, since it = no fun for the tanks with no end for styles and = no fun for casters getting battered since tanks cant hold agro. Plus for casters in that group how many of sources of mana regen you got .. 2 Mini and Soc both can do that job so why not have 2 classes that can regen end ?


The idea was to make it easier to form an effective group for which you need a) some kind of healing b) end regen

You dont need Pbt if you are in a small group of 4-5 people farming scrolls/drops/xping whatever off red/purp con mobs. Pbt is nice but not essential.

Giveing another class end regen would make it easier to form groups and to actualy go out explore or what ever and have fun!

 

[Garok]

doesnt sound like it to me :





and shamans get grps in rvr for end and ae root,

if end got moved away without buffs being made ranged then i bet alot of groups would live without the root (like they did before )

Your quotes are wrong

 

[Ormorof]

Your quotes are wrong

no they arent

 

[Lejemorder]

What are you ranting about it makes no sence tbh..

Good luck putting that group together after finding 2 differet spec'd socs a cabby etc you would find the tanks could not keep agro when they had run out of end and the group would die then dispand, since it = no fun for the tanks with no end for styles and = no fun for casters getting battered since tanks cant hold agro. Plus for casters in that group how many of sources of mana regen you got .. 2 Mini and Soc both can do that job so why not have 2 classes that can regen end ?

that u r trying ot say is that there r need of more end in alb?
its not that we on excal r in need of pallas or i dont think it r on any other server and u dont need end reg to keep agro normally 3 taunts styles and u keep agro (if red/purp mobs).
Understand me right (and sorry for my bad english) that i was trying to say that u get a chance for palas will be left behind in RvR for caster grps (ofc not pure tank as u allready got 1 soft target in the sorc) but with TOA and the inc of bodyguard the "best" setup will be for alb something similar to what i mentiod b4

 

[Lejemorder]

doesnt sound like it to me :





and shamans get grps in rvr for end and ae root,

if end got moved away without buffs being made ranged then i bet alot of groups would live without the root (like they did before )

mids w/o end?? then they lose there unlimit sprint, r u sure they can survive it?

 

[Garok]

Tbh this is not to do with 8v8 optimon setup RvR its more to do with PvE. So how much fun do you think it is for a tank to do 3 styles then nothing? Not much. Pally's will always get groups because they are a good solid class.

Im not sure what class you play but try playing a Tank with no end regen. Not fun.

 

[Ormorof]

mids w/o end?? then they lose there unlimit sprint, r u sure they can survive it?

what he said was move end to thane's..... a shaman without end will just be replaced by a bot, UNLESS buffs get a range, like all end regen has atm (1500 i think it is) and so in one swift stroke you make thane's welcome in groups and make buff bots useless in rvr

(making me a very happy bunny )

 

[Laston]

hmmm why remove it form pallys/shamans/Bards? why not give those classes end to hmm Thane Warden (conc buff like shamans or a insta buff like dur 30 recast 30 so you can use it but it costs power) Thanes simular, ehm dunno about Alb, Friar perhaps?

 

[SilverHood]

Have once conc based end regen, and one chant based end regen per realm.

Shammies keep their conc based end regen, Thanes get a chant - they stack, so a thane using a lower version end regen, together with a low level shammy one will effectively give a higher end regen.

Give Friars a conc based end regen like shammies....

For hibbie, not sure which class would be best to have end regen, but I'd imagine that giving it to champions or mentalists would be the best idea.


/2 coppers

 

[Lejemorder]

Tbh this is not to do with 8v8 optimon setup RvR its more to do with PvE. So how much fun do you think it is for a tank to do 3 styles then nothing? Not much. Pally's will always get groups because they are a good solid class.

Im not sure what class you play but try playing a Tank with no end regen. Not fun.

well u can implent a thing and think it only will affect PvE and i dont think palls would get that many grps (maybe except pic ups) in RvR and that would leave as pure PvE bots and that r not fun (i got friars and the only they serv as is PvE bots). And yes i have an merc and i worry bout end in pure tanks grp coz u dont need it in Pbaoe grps if u know what r u doing and if u cant make more then 3 taunt styles maybe change to 1h instead of 2h?

 

[Tareregion]

Well I guess Hibs could give it to Mentalist then. But the main problem is that when u give it to a caster, he gets trampled by assist trains in <1 second. So it has to be a song/chant. Conc or timed is impossible, they`ll just be chainganked.

 

[Sigurd]

Givf end regen to BMS

 

[Shike]

Rather see that they remove Endregen as a whole than adding it to even more classes tbh.

 

[Lejemorder]

Rather see that they remove Endregen as a whole than adding it to even more classes tbh.

With TOA we r enter the age of castalot (ppl there claim tank grps r better should look a bit lesser on vn board as they r full shit) and then u want to make tanks even more useless

 

[Garok]

Well I guess Hibs could give it to Mentalist then. But the main problem is that when u give it to a caster, he gets trampled by assist trains in <1 second. So it has to be a song/chant. Conc or timed is impossible, they`ll just be chainganked.

Sorry i dont meen replace the current "end givers" but more allow another class access to group end regen. Does not have to be as good as Shammy/Bard/Pally end regen but prehaps like caster speed compaired to Mini/Bard/Skald speed ... ie not great but can do the job if required.

well u can implent a thing and think it only will affect PvE and i dont think palls would get that many grps (maybe except pic ups) in RvR and that would leave as pure PvE bots and that r not fun (i got friars and the only they serv as is PvE bots). And yes i have an merc and i worry bout end in pure tanks grp coz u dont need it in Pbaoe grps if u know what r u doing and if u cant make more then 3 taunt styles maybe change to 1h instead of 2h?.

See above ....

And i dont think pallys would the become PvE bots.. since they can hold agro better than an Armsman due to Heal chant being a great agro magnet. Pally holding agro with Armsman guarding is always best .. could use a Reaver but specing more than 42 in shield is rare.

oo and PS if you read my sig i play a Merc so as far as im aware we cant use 2h weps ><

With TOA we r enter the age of castalot (ppl there claim tank grps r better should look a bit lesser on vn board as they r full shit) and then u want to make tanks even more useless .

Have you actualy played a caster in ToA ..? If you have then you would know that a hudge amount of ML and Artifact Monsters are RESISTANT to any kind of spells and can only be damaged through mele. So good luck with your UBER caster groups with tanks with no end regen getting any kind ML or Artifact loot. TBh i dont think you have played enough of ToA to make the asumption that it = the death of tanks. Yer Phobe groups work well in Ac but try to kill Battler with it and see how well it works .

 

[Lejemorder]

Sorry i dont meen replace the current "end givers" but more allow another class access to group end regen. Does not have to be as good as Shammy/Bard/Pally end regen but prehaps like caster speed compaired to Mini/Bard/Skald speed ... ie not great but can do the job if required.



See above ....

And i dont think pallys would the become PvE bots.. since they can hold agro better than an Armsman due to Heal chant being a great agro magnet. Pally holding agro with Armsman guarding is always best .. could use a Reaver but specing more than 42 in shield is rare.

oo and PS if you read my sig i play a Merc so as far as im aware we cant use 2h weps ><



Have you actualy played a caster in ToA ..? If you have then you would know that a hudge amount of ML and Artifact Monsters are RESISTANT to any kind of spells and can only be damaged through mele. So good luck with your UBER caster groups with tanks with no end regen getting any kind ML or Artifact loot. TBh i dont think you have played enough of ToA to make the asumption that it = the death of tanks. Yer Phobe groups work well in Ac but try to kill Battler with it and see how well it works .

u say that u dont think palas will be PvE bots if u giv end to another class to, but just after that u say that they allways will get grp coz of heal chant been a agro magnet, but that only count in PvE as far im know.

and that i meant was in RvR i know that against high lvl mobs ull allways need tanks and then again r any of realm in need of end?? with up to 150 palas online (all lvls) in primetime i dont think ull need palas as u only need 1 pala per grp.

btw stop flaming for something i dont say

 

[Garok]

u say that u dont think palas will be PvE bots if u giv end to another class to, but just after that u say that they allways will get grp coz of heal chant been a agro magnet, but that only count in PvE as far im know.

and that i meant was in RvR i know that against high lvl mobs ull allways need tanks and then again r any of realm in need of end?? with up to 150 palas online (all lvls) in primetime i dont think ull need palas as u only need 1 pala per grp.

btw stop flaming for something i dont say

Was not ment as a flame sry.. :wub:

The point i was trying to make is more than one class can provide Heals, Speed, Mana regen. Ministrals for instance provide better speed than a therg or Soc, Clerics provide better heals than a Friar or Cabby, Socs provide better Mana regen than a minstral. But i would rather have Friar/cabby heals than no heals .. i would rather have some kind of speed than no speed .. Giveing another class end regen WOULD not meen Killing off the current End giveing classes if it was done in a way that was inferior to the current end givers but still usefull. All your aguments revolve around 8v8 gank group RvR which is only one small part of the game. Yes their are lots of pallys online but you cant always find one that say wants to go get for instance a Staff artifact that is no use to them of farm scrolls for an artifact item they cant use, Either that or say the one in your group leaves and you have to wait 30 mins to find one that wants to do the same quest/Artifact/ML that you do. I dont know about you but i would rather play the game than sit around waiting for someone who plays the one class with this ability to do the quest/artifact/ML that the rest of my group wants to do.