Enchanter mana line overpowered?!

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Qte Eth

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The Enchantment line needs help. We're looking into Light but it's not that bad in and of itself, it's just very overshadowed by the overpowered Mana line. (c) Mythic...


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Lumikki

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So how come there is atleast 3 threads about chanters floating here every day these days?


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sorusi

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chanters
savages
bonedancers
reavers ?!
infiltrators
focus-pulling

and maybe some more classes can expect some nerfs according to the whine on vnboards.... whole midgar there is crying like babies, and ofc they have never ever tried to make balanced grps - and if you try to give them any tips how to make one they will just tell you to stfu and they continue to cry over "moo-guard" :D
 
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gwal

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whines4tehwin, doesnt need to be done by any1 who has a clue of what they are actually saying, as long as they are enough :(
 
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Hit ^_^

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id say that after 1,62 alll 3 realms seems pretty balanced.
chanters are maybe still a bit overpowered still but its not like they are that "uber" if you fight using a balanced group.

as for infils i cant say they are that Uber. It sure is a good solo class but missing the insta win button as many other classes so cant realy understand the while if it aing about infils Teaming up in "Huge" zergs but who dosent theses days? :)


ps. nerf hib insta Amnesia. atleast give it cast time :\
 
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bishibosh

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Originally posted by sorusi
chanters
savages
bonedancers
reavers ?!
infiltrators
focus-pulling
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Reavers need a nerf when their main front style is infact a taunt style that the reaver gets before he hits double figures in levels, and the supposed "upside" of the reaver, the backstyle, does less damage than the average zerker/savage anytime hit?and yes ofc Mana line needs nerf lol
 
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Danya

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No, no, no, Levi is "TEH WIN", you fool. It does "UBAR L33T DAMGAE"! :p
 
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phule_gubben

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Let hib casters have something else then stun in baseline, i would kill for stun in my baseline spec. but that will never happen of course. Root is good on fighterclasses that can´t do shite from distance but HELLO!!!!! I´m in Midgard, what classes in Alb and Hib can´t do shite from distance?
 
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vintervargen

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Originally posted by Hit ^_^
as for infils i cant say they are that Uber. It sure is a good solo class but missing the insta win button as many other classes
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riiiight, so Dragonfang is just a.. err high dmg style:confused:
 
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noaim

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Originally posted by vintervargen
riiiight, so Dragonfang is just a.. err high dmg style:confused:
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Wow, i actually agree with you on this one.

Kodak moment.
 
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Rhodo_Stoney

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Giv more threads like this for teh boring read :rolleyes:
 
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Glottis_Xanadu

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Originally posted by vintervargen
riiiight, so Dragonfang is just a.. err high dmg style:confused:
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DragonFang is very nice, reactive from an evade.
I believe SB also have a stun move, after an evade move (2nd in a chain, lasts around 6s). Difference being one being lvl 50, and the other around lvl 35 or so. Would people stop complaining if it was lowered to 7s instead of 9? Or do you lot feel a lvl 50 style should be 2nd in a chain, like the others have at lvl 35?

Vintervargen, but I find the speed spell also very annoying on rangers, specially as scouts don't have this. Nerf this also please!
And also give scouts dualwield please, so much better against people than a shield.
Specially as you guys get spec points for the pathfinding range, but you could just ignore it and get a buffbot instead... Yummie, extra points for celtic dual, bows, and stealth... nerf please :)
Regards, Glottis
 
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vintervargen

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Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
DragonFang is very nice, reactive from an evade.
I believe SB also have a stun move, after an evade move (2nd in a chain, lasts around 6s). Difference being one being lvl 50, and the other around lvl 35 or so. Would people stop complaining if it was lowered to 7s instead of 9? Or do you lot feel a lvl 50 style should be 2nd in a chain, like the others have at lvl 35?

Vintervargen, but I find the speed spell also very annoying on rangers, specially as scouts don't have this. Nerf this also please!
And also give scouts dualwield please, so much better against people than a shield.
Specially as you guys get spec points for the pathfinding range, but you could just ignore it and get a buffbot instead... Yummie, extra points for celtic dual, bows, and stealth... nerf please :)
Regards, Glottis
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50 shield 45 weapon 35 stealth and team up with an inf. pwnage.
 
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bjaadi-

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lets say a scout specced high on weapon 44-50 whould he still be
on paladin dmg table? :p
 
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ab_fluid

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Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
DragonFang is very nice, reactive from an evade.
I believe SB also have a stun move, after an evade move (2nd in a chain, lasts around 6s). Difference being one being lvl 50, and the other around lvl 35 or so. Would people stop complaining if it was lowered to 7s instead of 9? Or do you lot feel a lvl 50 style should be 2nd in a chain, like the others have at lvl 35?

Vintervargen, but I find the speed spell also very annoying on rangers, specially as scouts don't have this. Nerf this also please!
And also give scouts dualwield please, so much better against people than a shield.
Specially as you guys get spec points for the pathfinding range, but you could just ignore it and get a buffbot instead... Yummie, extra points for celtic dual, bows, and stealth... nerf please :)
Regards, Glottis
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make dragonfang 2nd move in a chain (makes it alot harder to pull off) leave it at 9secs tho, or make the SB 6sec stun on comeback instead of frosty gaze, the durations should be as they are, just atm frosty gaze is a lot harder to pull off than dragonfang.
 
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hotrat

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Reavers don't need a nerf, they just need determination, like savages get....
 
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vintervargen

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Originally posted by hotrat
Reavers don't need a nerf, they just need determination, like savages get....
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give them deter if their insta pbaoe whipping breaks mez okithxbye
 
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Driwen

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Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
DragonFang is very nice, reactive from an evade.
I believe SB also have a stun move, after an evade move (2nd in a chain, lasts around 6s). Difference being one being lvl 50, and the other around lvl 35 or so. Would people stop complaining if it was lowered to 7s instead of 9? Or do you lot feel a lvl 50 style should be 2nd in a chain, like the others have at lvl 35?
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sbs have it on lvl 39 style on LA, infils get it as lvl 50 style on thrust. The lvl 39 style is 2nd in a chain and DF isnt of course:). Now with LA nerf, SB's dont really want to spec LA to 39 as LA isnt that good (after .62)and they can use the points better. This is what I have heard atleast and is the reason why SB's complain.

Vintervargen, but I find the speed spell also very annoying on rangers, specially as scouts don't have this. Nerf this also please!
And also give scouts dualwield please, so much better against people than a shield.
Specially as you guys get spec points for the pathfinding range, but you could just ignore it and get a buffbot instead... Yummie, extra points for celtic dual, bows, and stealth... nerf please :)
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uhm do you actually know anything about rangers? Scouts,hunters, rangers all get 2X lvl for spec points. If rangers ignore pathfinding they have 4 lines to spec, just as hunters/scouts do. Beastcraft and pathfinding are almost useless with buffbots around, as you get better buffs from buffbots than you can do yourself. But the speedbuff is nice, as long as you dont have anyone with a range weapon on you (as they will pop your speed) or have a dot on you.


and Hit ^_^ LA isnt an insta win button was it?:p It still got nerfed though :). But we will see what happens with DF, it will probably get changed in the style review they are doing.
 
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old_saxo

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ye i think INfil have a reason for having Dragonfang

like , i personaly use 2 quickbars og styles and Sb's DONT :p hehehe ah well im not sure about the infil nerf
 
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Trinilim

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I believe at 50 sword you get ragnarok, yes?

Back positional style, most damaging style in the game...

You land the first 2 attacks in the PA chain then you've basically won with that style..

Yes yes I know I know, it'll be hard for 95% of the SBs out there to get used to the fact that they have to use more styles than just doublefrost, but you'll have to get used to it.

God forbid you actually have to think on your feet :p


EDIT: And to prove I know what I'm talking about, I do it ALL the time with my zerker. Well, not ragnarok, but evade style, stun style, run behind, /face, back positional style. Can pull at least 2 off before stun wears off.

Sword is much much better than what most people think >.<
 
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belth

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Originally posted by Trinilim
Sword is much much better than what most people think >.<
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Yeah if you're not using a 3.1 spd mainhander it might be nice for dual wielder :p
 
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belth

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Originally posted by driwen
But we will see what happens with DF, it will probably get changed in the style review they are doing.
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If at all. A lot of other styles will get changed also...

Funniest thing I read about DF so far on VN, "people wouldn't complain about DF's 9s stun if the style was backpositional"... ROFL, that's just crazy. Killing runners couldn't get any easier.
 
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