/em is bored. /em feels gimped.

[kr0n]

Well, every char has its weaknesses. And wow, 2 shots to a mage! Thats like... 4s tops in sight? 8s total but half of it in stealth. Man you must die alot. Lets take out other realms AE mezzers.

Bard. Speed heal you name it.

Healer. Freakin uber with instastun, heals etc.

Sorc. QC mez. yey.

Few classes are totally gimped, some little. Some virtually none. Im in the middleclass, and my gimpness grows when people around me are stupid.

 

[Nemesis Warlock]

Ahhhh dammit

look what u say thats exactly what i told u (see above)

4 to 8 S in sight - lol exactly what i said

a suggestion NOTHING more

u dont know my pull times u dont know anything about rangers! u just write 8S and think ure right

okie mate how do i do that if i got 4.2 secs for crit shot and 3.5 for everyone else ?

and even then 2 shots is BEST. 3 or 4 are normal = about 15 to 18 secs ( even i miss sometimes)

u write : "wow 2shots for a mage"
YES ! What do u expect ? mages r THE weakest char with mini mini hp cuz they r mages ! ur waiting mythic to add "fly" as a char? even for them i can need 3 to 4 shots! Thats for the weakest class of all ! how many shots shall i need for a hybrid tank then (complete tanks impssible for me cuz engage) 2 dozen?

u write: "u must die alot"
How is that meant ? Ironic? sorry but I DO DIE alot cuz were not alone in the frontier and while i shot any person another person may pass - boom 1 hit from a tank im dead - so why should a mage take more hits ??? And if a ranger is sighted IT IS difficult to get away even with afterburner!

Dont get me wrong ... but do you think we stand anywher in the frontier and kill everything passing by in stealth ... so easy ? lol ur totally wrong.. i cant crit shot moving targets without crit shot i need at least 3 shots or 4. Now thats for passing by-targets.. now what to do? Follow the enemie in stealth like walking around? no mate stealth is slooooow we cant chase a running man from a MG to another.. ok then we must shoot ... fast.. uhm
Next step.. we want to shoot fast .. can we ? NO!
Never attacked a running target alone just to see his 7 other group mates running after him in delay just spotting YOU NOW? hehe thats fun and im dead! so we must let it pass and lok if some follow .. this ruins our shooting chance cuz as ranger u need full range or ur burned. So shoot a running target in the time it passes and use big range while sloooow stealthed = very difficult m8 we rangers are very very patient man . otherwise we wouldnt get a hit off. So u see killing passing by-men is difficult , we prefer standing targest .... and get a target standing for about 20 secs (the time i need to get into good range stealthed) in emain or breifine heh .. nearly impossible .. everybody runs around and around and around.

Its not as easy as u may think for us like its not easy for u ... in fact its not easy to US ALL

- ur right sorcs are a little RvR gimped (cuz their best soloers)
- im getting 1 hit killed by yellow tanks (if this pleases u a bit)
- I get 1 shotted by mages too so what u want?

and at last sorc shouldnt go out the frontiers alone

sorry if sounded harsh dont wanna flame i just dont want u to quit play another alt (healer or tank) see their pros and cons and use them for ur main. cu

 

[kr0n]

and at last sorc shouldnt go out the frontiers alone

Thats the whole freakin point. Im gimped 'cause I cant solo RvR. Add all classes without stealth or speed to that.

Only three things I tend to die with my scout are:

1. SB/NS.
2. Me being greedy and getting ganked by a big grp.
3. Bad luck (EG a grp of purples jumpin on my back when Im not lookin).

I dont see any other ways to die as a archer unless you suck at it.

Then lets take a sorc.

1. Other mages > sorc.
2. Tanks > sorc. (well depends a bit, if i dont fuck up i can take non-ranged tank)
3. rogues > sorc.
4. all kinda healers > sorc. (Except Dosferra)

Sorc is a class, which totally needs a group to be effective. And so far, very very few groups have been good enough and not gettin me keeled.

 

[Nemesis Warlock]

i know that from my mentalist / druid ...

Well sadly its a bit like u said ... but nevermind
cuz mentas (sorcs) and druids are after all support classes ...

and support means not able to do it alone ....
I play my supporters and for times im bored of em or cant find a group i take an able soloer (ranger) .. like u (scout)

but in big scale battles and keep raid sorcs and mentas rule too !

So dont give up, make yourself enuff alts to switch to every kind of char u want to play right now.. and use sorc only if u got

- good guild groups
- big battles

I prefer guilds , guilds r great especially for us supporters.
After all its a team - oriented game and u always have more chances the more peeps ur ...

But i see, your lvl 50, you know this all too ....

so have fun

 

[kr0n]

Yer, our guilds knows how to keep me happy... But sadly most of albs dont understand the concept of CC in RvR... :-(

 

[old.Revz]

When sorcerors work oh boy do they work I have several great images from RvR of either Layl or Ezeine mezzing entire armies attacking us. One mez stick can turn the tide so enourmously it isn't true. We've defeated huge odds and been defeated by much lesser numbers thanks to that spell. Luckily Mids have the Thanes with their preponderance to AE everything and the kitchen sink so we don't suffer it too badly

 

[old.Moongoose]

Being so much better than the rest sure must be hard

Sorcerers are considered one of the best class' for the new PvP-server.

Baseline groupspeed + superior AE-mezz and pets in one line + great DDs, resist debuffs! and AE-root in another line.

If you wanna' be a great supporter take mind high. If you wanna be a great offensive power, go for the DDs with only a 46s ranged AE-mezz (this is still extremely uber)

The sorceror is a pretty balanced class dealing out great damage, but easy to kill too - like any other caster class...

Like stated above, theres lots of different class' to pick from. Having an alt or two suited for the current state of the server may give you a better time here in general. Judging upon your view upon other players skills, an archer may suit you the best.

Moongoose

 

[SFXman]

Originally posted by Nemesis Warlock
- ur right sorcs are a little RvR gimped (cuz their best soloers)

Best soloers? Umm.

 

[old.Aiges Tyme]

Originally posted by Krillin


i'll have a think over the weekend about whether deleting is a viable option.

anyone else feel like this too or is it just me because it is late?

I deleted Aiges a while back moved to Hib because of the lack of albs testicular fortitude in battle, It took me aiges (haha) to decide whether to do it or not, because of the time spent on my char and because of the people i know there (Krillin, vay, Felluca to name a few).

While i miss Albion the land, i'm glad i left, having fun in hibernia and thats what counts.

But as i've discovered this game lacks depth, its easy to become bored with it easily once you hit the 35+ mark and the endless xp farming becomes so dull you want to pull your teeth out.

All i can suggest to anyone who feels 'gimped' or bored and thinking of deleting and moving on is make sure your absolutly sure you want to do it, its a big step and no doubt in a few weeks i'll wish i hadn't

 

[old.Moongoose]

Best if well specced

Find mobs weak to DDs. Send in pet or pull with resist debuff (non agro), debuff and nuke with spec nukes (low power with focus). Like 3x exp/time or pow than fx a theurgist can get.

Finding pets can be annoying at times though. Pets may be lower level too due to getting usable DDs, but it doesn't really matter. They just have to hold agro in the 2secs it takes to debuff (4 secs if con debuffing too -prolly not worth the pow)

Moongoose

 

[SFXman]

Testicular fortitude, hahahahahahhahah, best saying ever. Used it a few times myself.

 

[kr0n]

Find mobs weak to DDs.

Undead are vulnerable to spec DDs, and not charmable.

Send in pet or pull with resist debuff (non agro),

Dont have resist debuffs. (And normal debbufs create minimal aggro, pet can take it off with one hit.)

Finding pets can be annoying at times though.

At this patch yes, next patch, not.

(4 secs if con debuffing too -prolly not worth the pow)

Only str/con, dex/qui and str debuffs atm. Later we get spec dex debuff too. Str/con + dex/qui are the ones worth using, baseline debuff takes too much power.

Basically, at this patch, sorc aint that good at soloing. Basically you need to solo something you can charm or something very near what you can charm. Next patch its a bit easier. And pet regenrate is soo slow, oranges are not tough to solo but take loads of power to charm another pet. Yellows only viable option. but good thing is you can take 2-3 yellows at the same time. With long dur mez that is, or chain root (Which is goin away in few patches). So no, were not THE best soloers, were good soloers.

 

[Saturnine]

I beg your pardon

Sorcs are the best soloers!?
Pardon!
Sorc are gimped in RvR!?
What what what!

I can asure you Sorceror is a pretty shabby solo class. In Mind Spec, you get to have pets, but as we all know by now getting a decent one is such a hassle and then you have no way of healing it so after a couple of fights you need another (or massive downtime).
If you spec matter your asking to be gimped, it has a single target DEX/QUI debuff (body spec has an AoE one) and the hits-every-4-secs DoT (which is also in the Cabalist matter spec, along with sight range debuff, insain pet damage shield AND an AoE DoT) and thats it.
Speccing body is pretty nifty, but it`s pretty much the same as an ice theurgist. (AoE Root, good DD and an AoE DEX/QUI debuff instead of ice-pets, fearsome). However body destruction is the only way to get more power in the 2 DD`s that sorcs have and by speccing in that you can`t spec as much in pet-getting and vice versa. The icing on the cake is that the 2 DD`s sorcs get are Body Damage and Spirit Damage - and what resist debuffs do they get? Ice, Fire and Matter resistance: hoorah.

However. In RvR a sorceror is outragiously good (in theory). Splitting speccing between Mind Control and Body Destruction you can AoE mez a crowd of folk, and with the assistance of your pet pick them off 1 by 1. Alternativley you can Throw AoE mezzing about during keep raids to really get them angry. Debuffs don`t brake rooting so against masses of tanks it`s a case of AoE Root, AoE STR/CON debuff, AoE DEX/QUI debuff - then mez over them (as mez and root timers are different) - and then proceed with the picking off 1 by 1. There are hoards of other tactics available but while your DD`s may not be as powerfull as a Wizard or (wind/ice specced) Theurgist, they are more than powerfull enough to pick people off 1 by 1, especially with a pet. Caster pets are great because then all you have to do is run around while your pet disposes of them throwing in roots and all sorts to keep it amusing.

This has turned into an enormous, ranty post but in short: A Sorceror is a highly under-played and under-appreciated class. They are group orientated in every respect: grouping with players to keep aggro away from their frail bodies, killing monsters that group and in RvR, countering large groups. The thing I think puts a lot of people of sorcs is that it seems to take people to around level 20 to realise the potential of AoE mez when going for group-bonus XP (and the higher levels amongst you may have just heard of these things called Pygmy goblins).


I`ll stop now.


Though I will point out,
Mid AoE mezzer - Chain wearer
Hib AoE mezzer - Scale (chain) wearer
Alb Aoe mezzer - Cloth wearer
So the balance must be hidden in all those random abilites....

 

[old.Moongoose]

My bad sorry. Didn't notice that those resists were other caster lines, which makes them pretty useless

Triggering 4 highlevel spec DDs (5 with qc if resist) is still enough to solo most yellows and several oranges weak to body or caster mobs. This at a lower downtime than any other Alb class, I can think of.

Alb main CCs are weaker than their enemy counterparts, but the ae-mezz is far better too. Longer range, better mezz and shorter casting time.

Being an avalonian in the field can be a little a little dangerous as it automatically makes you first priority target. If going for high mind (power/dmg is less important than living longer), it might be an interesting idea to pick a briton and dress up in a black west instead of a dress. This way you may live a couple of secs longer before the enemy figures who deals the dmg/mezz'.


For some strange reason, I've never seen the 'find group option' used at the EU-servers. At the US'servers, you normally get a group within 5 mins if you mark yourself as searching for a group. Theres often like 10 groups or soloers looking for chars to team up with. This ensures that you can actually play the game withouth your few friends or guildmates being online at the same time. It helps sharing knowledge amongst your realmmate too.

Moongoose

 

[Saturnine]

That enormous anti-solo rant by me was based on my tiny amount of soloing I did to get to level 6-7 and the pips-worth of soloing I did in the rest of my career. I`ve gained all my XP (pretty much) from grouping and I haven't really had a problem getting groups - especially from level 25+

 

[kr0n]

I take my words back.

Reasons:

#1 The one who keeps the second spot in RPs on Exca is a sorc (differently specced tho)

#2 I just soloed a tangler pull, at L50 tho, with 270mill exp.

#3 New pets in emain just own, and seems that debuffs work better too.

#4 Better items than before.

 

[Turamber]

It was a pleasure to bump into Layl the other day in Pennines, and Saturnine is an old friend -- I was one of her favourite pet tanks

Glad to see that you're feeling happier with your choice of class now. But obviously your long term fulfilment in RvR will depend on the the rest of Albion.

Sure there are a lot of muppets out there, but I think the relic raid on Sunday morning with SoTL and the Griffons and Templars showed that things are moving the right way. The members of the Griffons and the Templars may not have the same average levels as SoTL but they're getting there - and they know their stuff - and they are well led and organised.

The future is looking bright for Albion, so hang on in there and lets massacre us some Trolls!

 

[old.Jadow]

SoTL member below lvl 50 = alt

Derric is really camillo's pet dog though.



Jadow
Lvl 46+ Infiltrator
Order of The Knights Templar

 

[Derric]

Ok,Jadow..now you're not velcome in that bar we talked about the other day

 

[old.Jadow]

The Mug will soon be renamed as The Blue Oyster. All leather clad infiltrators are welcome, so don't try to ban me!

Jadow
Lvl 46+ Infiltrator
Order of The Knights Templar

 

[Jaas Mallai]

Layl,

I know how you feel - up to a point.

As the only robed mezzer in the game, this does reduce our usefulness to being support in groups.

You can do a few solo skirmishes, but more often than not this can end in tears.

Dumb runie there. Wouldve oneshotted ur sorc before he got the mez out.

Dumb runie? or excellent sorc play? depends how you see it! We can get the element of surprise occasionally you know!

a guild sorc and i were at the apk last night

thanks tryf mate, you are a great friar too

But there is nothing more disheartening to mez 25 hibs, and to have some wiz ae the lot, and have 25 hibs very pissed at me (mentioning no names, he knows who he was, and shoulda known better ).

But this is the life of a mezzer, mez the lot then either:

some fool ae's the lot

or

you miss someone, they get you, while your group gets loads of RPs.

But hey thats my job, and I realise that, even if it gets VERY annoying sometimes.

I wish I had made a briton sorc too (as I chatted to you about last night!), Avalonian sign above my head means kill me first. But when I get a mez off that turns the battle to our favour, whether I die or not, I still get a sense of satisfaction that I helped our side.

That coupled with the /sends I get thanking me for a nice mez, and my group also thanking me, mostly makes up for it.

TBH, if you want to solo RvR, then you have to pick off enemies using surprise as your tactic and be prepared for many runs back to Sauvage, either that or roll a inf/scout/minstrel.

I honestly see it this way, if I get mez of and we win, then my death matters not.

Although what did make me mad, is mezzin a load of ppl, and seing the bright blue clouds of a sorc ae debuff breaking my mez. Now that pisses me off, briefly!

Drink up, the world's about to end!

JM

 

[old.mattshanes]

hey u can have a telemon as a pet now so how r u gimped?ppl said scouts r gimped no they aint mine still kills blues one hit sometimes

oh yeah jaas nice pet yesterday hehe.

 

[lofff]

hey layl, i know tha feeling tip: take 3 or 5 days break and get back to action playing a different char in a different realm in a different server, ull recover the fun in ur 50sh soon and play both chars

(of course, ull play like 1/10 of total time u played with ur main but... ull get fun)

 

[rynnor]

If you feel gimped now wait till a few patches time when mez is little more than an irritation!

Is there supposed to be balance in this game? Maybe for full group alb v full group Hib v full group Mid but there is no attempt at it for 1 v 1.

Make an archer like everyone else

One day there will be nothing in the frontiers except stealthers - youll hear the occasional yelp as someone gets revealed but otherwise silence will reign.

Not a great prospect is it?

 

[listepik]

I would like everyone to make archers too.

they are so easy to kill

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by rynnor
If you feel gimped now wait till a few patches time when mez is little more than an irritation!

Is there supposed to be balance in this game? Maybe for full group alb v full group Hib v full group Mid but there is no attempt at it for 1 v 1.

Make an archer like everyone else

One day there will be nothing in the frontiers except stealthers - youll hear the occasional yelp as someone gets revealed but otherwise silence will reign.

Not a great prospect is it?

Unlikely due to the stealth nerfs upcoming. We're going to end up with groups of infs hunting down the few remaining archers and everyone else rerolling the toughest tank they can.

Oh and Jadow, I'm not lvl 50 and not an alt.